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Geek Culture / To get a flu shot or not to get a flu shot... that is the question

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 23:20
I don't mind shots, but every time I have gotten a flu shot in the past, within a week or two I come down with the flu, without fail. So about 4 years ago I just stopped getting them all together and went with a homeopathic option. It's worked great. I've only gotten the flu once since then and it was mild.

I'm kind of nervous about sticking to the homeopathic route this year though. I have a little bro in high school and supposedly the swine flu is going to hit schools hard this year. I'm afraid he'll bring it home and get the whole family. However, if I do get this swine flu shot, my past experience says I'll get it that way anyway. So what am I to do?

Will the shot actually lessen the effects of the flu or is it just suppose to give me immunity? If it lessens it, I guess I'll risk it and get the shot. If I'll get the same flu either way, I think I'll take my chances. I mean I'm not going sit around sick for two weeks before calling the doctor. The first signs of the flu I'll call in and make an appointment. I hear if they catch it early it doesn't get out of control.

Are you guys getting the flu shot this year?

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 23:37
I always get a flu shot. The vaccine introduces it into your body, so this could be why you get sick from it. It well help your body prepare for it, however, and if you do get sick down the road your body will have already been introduced to the virus and will know how to fight it; possibly lessening the symptoms. I would get it.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 23:40
I never get flu shots, don't trust them. Call my paranoid but every year you hear on the news about some flu shot location where everyone got sick from it. I do just fine with my own immunities.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 23:47
I have had Swine Flu, as a doctor of mine stated, and it wasn't that bad at all. You get the usual symptoms like body aches, diarrhea, fever+headaches (don't program, you'll just worsen it) and maybe some throat-aches. I was sick for 6 days, and swine flu only lasts for a maximum of 7 days.

Here is some info about the vaccine:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32504225/ns/health-swine_flu/
http://www.naturalnews.com/026866_swine_flu_flu_vaccine_swine_flu_vaccine.html

I highly, HIGHLY, HIGHLY recommend you read the second link carefully.

My suggestion is do not take the vaccine at all! Don't touch it, don't go near it, and certainly don't inject it into you! The vaccine has killed more people than Swine Flu has!

You can only possibly die from swine flu if you are quite young, or very old, and you are none of those two, so don't worry. If you get the virus, tough, you will be sick for 7 days... What's the big deal?

Swine flu is just like every other ordinary flu, although experts have found something strange on the molecule structure of the virus, something that is odd and doesn't appear in nature. So they say it was man-made.

So, to say it quickly : Don't take the vaccine, it has killed more people than the virus itself, and the swine flu panic is just a big overreaction, just like with chicken flu.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2009 23:50 Edited at: 28th Aug 2009 23:51
Quote: "Are you guys getting the flu shot this year?"

I'd rather jump off a bridge than get that experimental swine flu shot that they only think is working because it's not showing any immediate side effects (officially, as far as I know). You know how long it usually takes to develop a safe vaccine? I'm afraid I will have no use for a new arm on my forehead.

You'll be fine as long as you eat your vegetables, get enough sunshine, and drink a lot. And remember to wash your hands often etc.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 02:23 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 02:24
If you're not vulnerable, don't get it. Simple as that. Sure, a shot could make it easier/less of an issue if you eventually get it, but there's a 99.9% you'll survive without it too. Leave the shots for people who need them

(i.e. you're not very young/very old, have a poor immune system or suffer from a respiratory problem)

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 04:38
Yup, definitely not getting it now. Thanks for the advice I've done fine without it the last few years, and I'm sure I'll be just fine not taking it until the day I die.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 05:18
On the topic of swine flu, Maddox recently made an update;
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=swine_flu

Warning: Contains loads of swearing.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 05:24
Quote: "I will never take the swine flu vaccine because I already have it; it's called my immune system, and it's badass."


'Nuff said.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 05:59
Quote: "Yup, definitely not getting it now. Thanks for the advice"


So you'll take suggestions from here as opposed to real medical science and your doctor... Why not do your own research?


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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 06:03
Are we still going on about swine flu?
I'd totally forgotten about it, haven't heard anything for over a week.
People have died from the common cold and there's no vaccine for that! Aaah we're all going to die!

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 06:25
"Another reason for getting vaccinated is to protect the people around you who might get seriously ill from flu, especially because many (like very young babies) can't be vaccinated themselves. It's what scientists call "herd immunity" — by protecting yourself you are also protecting other people who are more vulnerable because there's less chance you'll get the flu and pass it on." -Steven Dowshen, MD

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Benjamin
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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 06:39
Quote: "People have died from the common cold and there's no vaccine for that!"


Good logic, we don't have a vaccine for a certain illness that can kill some people so let's not worry about any illnesses at all.
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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 07:11 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 07:12
Quote: "Yup, definitely not getting it now. "


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Addition to my sig incoming. He updates like 3-4 times a year lol

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 11:08 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 11:11
Well I didn't a little bit of research on swine flu after our Uni announced that 2 students had caught it.

When I checked, the WHO's figures were:

0.4% of people who catch swine flu die (if you do your maths, that's 1 in 250 people)

0.45% of people who catch flu die

The symptoms between the two are similar and have similar effects. The main difference is that swine flu is more contagious and thus it is better to keep yourself confined to avoid people catching it and that's why they recommend not going to the doctors. You might be healthy enough to survive it, but the old lady going in for her check-up might not.

However, one of the reasons people don't die from these illnesses is that they take care of themselves and make sure if they get the illness, that they can handle it. I was told (but I didn't research this) that if you've had flu before (I'm talking real flu, not a severe cold, which is often mistaken as flu because of its flu-like symptoms) that your immune system will handle swine flu better.


However, we're forum geeks, so we can either speculate or tell you what we've looked-up or researched, but as Jeku suggested, it's better to ask a medical professional.

As far as the media hype goes, ignore it, talk to a doctor, know the facts and ignore the speculation and you might even find that the doctor says, "there's no point", but you don't know until you ask him/her.


Me, however, I'm not getting one, unless medical professionals turn around and say publicly, "one of the best precautions for swine flu is to take the flu jab". The facts from WHO were enough for me to make a decision, though don't make a decision based on the fact I've decided against it.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 13:11
Sitting for hours at a time, day after day, reading threads like this is probably far more damaging to your health than any vaccine.

I'm thinking of suing TGC when I finally die from a lack of exercise induced heart attack.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 14:23 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 14:24
I believe in the cases where people have actually died from the swine flu have either been small children or old people, those who don't exactly have a very strong immune system.

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Right... just... do the tree... to there, next board. Now, do a pressup... again... again... do the warrior... yes, third thread! Run on the spot to scroll down...

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Is someone having a funny turn?
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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 17:45 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 17:49
You can't catch the Flu from a vaccine. You can experience "Flu-like" symptoms, but you can't get flu from the vaccine itself.

But I agree with David R, there isn't any need to get a vaccine unless you are very young, of old age or have a poor immune system or a respiratory problems (like Asthma).

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Who's Asthma?
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Quote: "Is someone having a funny turn? "

Quote: "Who's Asthma? "




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Quote: "But I agree with David R, there isn't any need to get a vaccine unless you are very young, of old age or have a poor immune system or a respiratory problems (like Asthma)."


But with swine flu it didn't attack the old and young, remember? It attacks the healthier people, which is why it was so scary.

Quote: "Who's Asthma?"


He's the little boy with the big head and webbed fingers.


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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 21:57
That's me!

I would get the vaccine if I were you, trusting your own system is very dangerous, and while homoeopathy is relatively tame, it's really not going to help, at all. If your immune system/homoeopathics have worked so far, well great, but it's time to do things properly.
But that's just my own opinion.

On the subject of the swine flu vaccine, actually that might be one to give a miss, if it seems there are side effects.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2009 22:34 Edited at: 29th Aug 2009 22:37
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But with swine flu it didn't attack the old and young, remember? It attacks the healthier people, which is why it was so scary."


It attacks everyone, but the only healthy people it killed had pre-existing conditions and illnesses (and regular flu does exactly the same thing. Normal flu shots aren't recommended to young/old because they're the only people affected - it's because they're the only people likely to die. Same thing with SF)

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I'm going to point out that this swine flu is very not that bad. At most it will have the same effect as normal flu. In bed playing video games, downing lemsip.

Unless you’re pregnant, very young, old or your immune system is shot it’s just not worth it. If anything getting the vaccine and meds now is like shooting your self in the foot. They will make you feel more ill.

Also the drugs and vaccine are meant to be for the dooms day bug that takes out 70%+ of the worlds people. The swine flu in a weak state will learn all our efforts to block it. Next time round what we had will be useless the better bug equals lots more dead people.

The reason people fear this bug is the bird flu which is a lot worst than the swine flu we have by far. Some how people have linked the two and this is not the case.

Also would you trust a vaccine with lets be nice here has had very little testing on it. 3 months in testing terms of any new vaccine is nothing. Cancer drugs take 10+ years testing notice the time scale. I don't want to end up a lab rat.

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I think that just about restates everything that's been said already.

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I've had flu shots with no aftereffects whatsoever.I recommend getting one...but I am not a doctor.The best thing you can do is talk to your doctor about it.

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As far as I know, paralysis will occur from the vaccine in approximately 1 out of 1000 cases. This is also true for all other "standard" flu vaccines. (Or so I've been told, by a doctor though, mind you).

So... it's not the greatest odds, but not that bad either. Still, in case of mass vaccination, massive occurances of the side effects will naturally follow.

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I'm going to get the vaccination in a few days because of my asthma, so I'll let you guys know if I get paralysed or die.

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Quote: "paralysis will occur from the vaccine in approximately 1 out of 1000 cases"


Nooo, that can't be right. They give out flu shots every year at my old work, and there's over 2,000 employees in that building. Are you saying odds are that 2 of them would be paralysed by the vaccine?


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the swine flu will alter your DNA and make you a piggy. you don't want to end up with a swirly little tail and a big red nose now, do you?


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@Jeku: well, statistics aren't much to go on. Maybe it's really just because 1 out of 1000 persons happen to have some other disorder / beeing too old / young, etc., I don't know.

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Perhaps it's just 0.1% of all of the people who have had the vaccine have been paralysed as a result.

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Perhaps it just affects people that are already paralyzed.
They just happened to notice they were paralyzed after taking the shot.
Chicken/Egg you know.

Quote: "Perhaps it's just 0.1% of all of the people who have had the vaccine have been paralysed as a result."

Ah yes, that's a more realistic estimate.

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Oh hello there, haven't seen you for a while.
I thought you escaped TGC. *psst! how did you do it?*

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Haha, mass amounts of work induced sleep.

I'm coding a level design as I type this , good to hear from you though .


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Quote: "Perhaps it just affects people that are already paralyzed.
They just happened to notice they were paralyzed after taking the shot.
Chicken/Egg you know."

Is it worrying that I was thinking exactly that before I read your post, Grandma?

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Quote: "Is it worrying that I was thinking exactly that before I read your post, Grandma?"

Yes, it is very worrying that we have some identical thought-patterns. You may be the deluded clone that escaped back in '97. If so, you're welcome to come back. Working conditions have improved here now, I promise.

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