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Geek Culture / Tonight Derren Brown glues us to our seats!

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Fallout
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Apparently he's going to play us a film that glues us to our seats so we can't get up! My guess is, we'll get to the end of the show, and he won't have played us a film at all .... the gluing us to our seats will be watching another 1 hour of drivel in anticipation of something amazing at the end.

So in order to beat Derren Brown, turn it off now. I am going to go and sit down and get up from as many seats as I can in the next 40 minutes to rub salt into his wounds! Luckily I live above a deck chair factory.

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Posted: 18th Sep 2009 23:32
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I'm gonna watch it to be entertained, as it's meant to be. I'm not so shallow as that I wish to disprove a TV magician who even admits himself that all he does is tricks.
Also I have to watch it online anyway

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That sounds like an attack against my person, my good man! But anyway, he is an illusionist and a trickster. It's our job as a discerning audience to try and figure them out, otherwise we're just mindless sheep. This is what audiences have been doing while watching illusionists for years.

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It didn't work for me! I think it is a "mass delusion" sort of thing that Derren said repeatedly that it DID work, but it didn't and he made the film which does nothing but used suggestion to tell people it does.


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It is, brother! But I still hail thee as a good person.

And I admit that Derren's acts have been getting more boring as time goes on but I hope they get a bit more exciting this series. I would recommend that you go to the Channel 4 website and watch The Gathering, Something Wicked This Way Comes and Evening of Wonders though, they're quite special.

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A man goes on TV and lies to everyone watching, we have politicians for that, we don't need Derren

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It worked on this girl...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrSwRfLdBRY&feature=player_embedded

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He just used Basic hypnosis, I've Read a book on Hypnosis and managed to hypnotise 2 people with it. Hypnosis is suprisingly easy, its just suggestive words, it works a hell of alot better if its in person and if it was a longer duration. He only did it really for about 5 mins. Which wouldnt be long enough for most people.


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That will probably only work for gullible people. We don't get that show here as far as I know, but I'm sure it won't work on sceptics, much like hypnosis.


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lol, what if your living room cought on fire while you were stuck to your chair? suckage.. or if there was a powercut before he had the chance to play the fixing blue screen. what if the fixing didnt work after the initial tape did?

do you reckon if someone pushed the chair over you'd make yourself stick to it?

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He said people would be able to get up if for some reason the TV failed or there was an emergency.

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Quote: " but I'm sure it won't work on sceptics"


He does say you have to be open to it, which is the same for anything. If you're opposed to it, it will never happen.

I was willing to give it a go, I've dabbled with this kind of stuff before. Using suggestive techniques I once managed to get everybody in the room to think of an elephant, except for the one person who I singled out, heard exactly the same banter and chose a mouse. It's interesting stuff.

The sticking thing didn't work for me. It wasn't the film in itself that does it, but more the lead up to it. I don't think the "subliminal picture" was part of the process directly, but a subtle piece of misdirection.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2009 20:20 Edited at: 20th Sep 2009 20:21
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Didn't work for me, unfortunately. I was willing to give it a go, but I do have a slightly sceptical personality (not a big fan of crystal healing and mediums, for example) so that might have had something to do with it. Also, I taped it and then whizzed through the adverts, and I wonder if that might have sabotaged it? If the adverts were for a chair... and relaxing... and glue

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Mock the week had a field day with him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O-_5akVpRc

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Well, it didn't work on me, but then I did watch it via the internet.

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Posted: 20th Sep 2009 22:17
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Tonight Derren Brown makes Fallout advertise his show again!

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Since the other thread wants it merged into here, I'll post here instead. Because I'm kind like that.

As I said in the other thread, the maths does work for improving the stats in a seemingly (at first glance) entirely random set of events.
Its easiest explained using the examples that were used in the program:
Player 1 picks HHH
Player 2 flips the middle result (HTH) and moves to the front (THH).

The first result, lets say its heads. Its a 1/2 chance of getting heads.
The second result, lets say it too is heads. Its also a 1/2 chance of getting heads, but a 1/4 chance of player 1 getting a HH combination.
The third result is where the stats work in your favour.
For player 1 to complete their set of HHH, they have a total 1/8 chance. However, as player 2 at this point you need to break their combination, by getting a tails. This is not affected by prior results, so your chance of breaking their combo is 1/2. The odds are in your favour to break the combination (1/2 against 1/8). Additionally, this also BEGINS your combination. So if the next 2 results are HH you get a point. If in the next 2, one of the results is T then noone gets a point (but you begin your run again).

At any given point, the odds of you getting a point are at least equal to the other player.

Thats a quick explanation. If I was unclear, and people would like a better explanation, say and I will try to oblige
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I haven't watched any of it, but I must admit I am impressed how a self confessed trickster can make seemingly intelligent people believe complete rubbish. For example, my future sister in law, who has a degree in maths BTW, says that the "power of the crowd" and "deep maths" is a good explanation for the lottery explanation. Hohohoho what a laugh.

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Perhaps she has one of those Nigerian degrees from the university of Doesn't Actually Exist.

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Heheh, yeah possibly. But her job is also really leaning on maths skills. *Really* leaning on them. Really can't understand what made her say that. I mean yeah the power of the crowd is amazing, and you can apply some maths to it to a very limited degree, but to predict lottery numbers in the future? Hahahaha! And don't do it as it's illegal almost made me cry and wish I'd watched it. Brilliant.

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Quote: "Perhaps she has one of those Nigerian degrees from the university of Doesn't Actually Exist.
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But I paid $2000 for mine BUt it's ok, because Dr Umbeka Mbagwey has US$10,000,000 waiting to give me from a dead relative I didn't know I had

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This stuff makes me want to run into a brick wall head first until I can't see colours anymore.

The whole spinny lines thing was rubbish, about 5 times before they got to the point, they flashed a picture of someone tied to a chair. Like the British public are so retarded that showing them a picture of something quickly is enough to make them do something.

So he begins by explaining the theory and how it was some kind of hoax, then he uses the same trick all through his show to try and do the same thing - didn't someone do this about 20 years ago?


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Trowbee, the coin trick is not based on Maths, it's completely impossible to fix it with "Deep maths". Here you go, a little Excel macro for you to prove it using your example, 100,000 coin flips...




The sofa sticking trick wasn't about the moving lines, it is about self-image...or at least to a certain degree. Maybe some people did get stuck, but there will be more people who said they got stuck because - as Derren Brown told the nation - it makes you a successful, creative, intelligent person. Ergo, if you tell people you got stuck (or even convinced yourself you were stuck) you are the creative, intelligent person he told everybody you are. I'm inclined to think some (or perhaps all) of the people in the studio did exactly this, and some even did it to get on TV. Their faces and responses did not come across as people genuinely stuck.

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Well I was wrong then. So he actually played a film? Oh well. What delights are in store for us next week?

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Batvink, thats not what I said.
Look in the other thread, people are posting small scripts to demonstrate
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ah, that's a completely different way of looking at it, I missed it if that's how it was done -thought it was 3 coin tosses, then start again. So that is simple maths, not deep maths - there is 1 way to get 3 heads, but many ways to get all the other combinations which will inevitably crop up given enough coin tosses. Then what he needs to do is convince the starter to choose a combination with at least 2 consecutive heads/tails to increase the odds, but preferably all 3.

Or...is it that the process of moving the coin as he described produces a more varied pattern every time? Surely with this theory, if the first person picks HTH or THT you are screwed from the offset.

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Quote: "if the first person picks HTH or THT you are screwed from the offset."


Which is why you pick HHT if they pick HTH.

I also don't see why so many people are somewhat angry at him for the lottery thing. He's an illusionist/mentalist/magician/whatever, did you really expect him to talk about how he did an elaborate camera trick? Or did you really think he would state some magical way to get the results? of course not. What he did do was entertain those who had the logic part of their brain switched on and gave hope and something to do for those who didn't.

As far as I'm concerned this was a success, he is an entertainer after all. I also tried the 'glued to your chair' thing and couldn't get it to work no matter how much I wanted it to. It's a shame this and hypnosis in general doesn't work on me(to the best of my knowledge) as it's cool stuff.

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Personally, because it's all a fictional TV show, then I would have said that after doing some research it was found 91% of the people who watched it could not get out their chair. It would be completely made up, but so what, more people tune in for the next one. It's fictional so you can say what you want.

Actually reminds me of something I heard about a film once. Think it was Fargo. Basically it's based on a true story so the actors asked if they could have the newspaper reports etc so they could get more into the roles. The writers told them it was totally a fictitious story so there was nothing to look at. When the actors mentioned the "based on a true story" bit (which appears at the start of the film) they said, yeah, but it's a fictitious story, which includes that bit. Heheheh Pretty much how they can get away with ghost and alien films "based on true events". Gotta love that when the film turns out to be like something out of the Grudge or Aliens. Yeah, real events alright

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Once I lived in a house. So I made a film about a mechanical death house which could travel through space and time, and eat babies and it's true because I did live in a house and I ate a baby once.

Yes, 'based on a true story' should be taken with an Exon Valdez portion of salt.

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Quote: "Yes, 'based on a true story' should be taken with an Exon Valdez portion of salt."
True, although at the time, a few years ago now, I was taken aback at how you could claim it was a true story and it actually wasn't (things like Poltergeist are fairly obvious but much more realistic stories are a bit of a surprise). Heheh, it's all a story so even that bit can be. Obvious really. Now putting that at the start of LOTR or Star Wars would have been cool

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Quote: "But I paid $2000 for mine BUt it's ok, because Dr Umbeka Mbagwey has US$10,000,000 waiting to give me from a dead relative I didn't know I had "

Sorry to tell you this but Dr Mbagwey emailed me last night saying his great aunt has passed away leaving him a US$20,000,000 estate but he has to pay a $50,000 fee to the state to claim it. He says he'll give me $10m if i pay the $50,000 which is fair.
Now I have a problem I only have $25,000, would you like to go in 50:50 with me $5m each?

I've forgotten what this was about? Oh yeah I was a bit disappointed because I tried to be open to it but it didnt work for me. There was a woman who phoned in before he started it, it's just really gullable people and attention seekers that do this sort of thing, I bet no one on their own succumed to his hypno powers. Unless they were a bit crazy of course

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