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Herakles
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So the new Megadeth album "Endgame" is out. I think it's pretty good. Definately their best since "Countdown to Extinction". Some of the lyrics sound a bit... awkward... at times, but since when has Megadeth been about the lyrics? The actual music, which is the important part, is awesome.

Anyone else care?

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Nope. Not me anyhow ^_^ hey, you asked. I'm just being honest!

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Posted: 25th Sep 2009 06:17 Edited at: 25th Sep 2009 06:18
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Well, the reason I asked if anyone cared is because not many did when I posted about the "Head Crusher" single, which was released before the album itself. I guess not many care now, either. That can only mean one thing:

YOU ALL HAVE BAD TASTE IN MUSIC!

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But seriously, I'm suprised that nobody else on this forum seems to care.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2009 06:35
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I only listen to Weird Al Yankovic... so if he makes a parody of their new music I'll hear the actual music part.

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Posted: 25th Sep 2009 09:33 Edited at: 25th Sep 2009 09:35
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Haven't heard it, but I like Megadeth, but I can't support them, because Dave Muststink or whatever his name is, is a right git.
Bitter and ginger does not mix, and that always kinda puts me off buying stuff from them.

Your right though, about Megadeth not being about the lyrics or their horrific front man - I might check some YouTube of the new album, see how they sound these days.

EDIT: Just remembered something that really put me off Dave Mustache - He was talking to Lars from Metallica, and he said he was bitter because his band always had to make do with second best... Erm, who said you were second Dave?!!!


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Posted: 25th Sep 2009 10:20
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Quote: "That can only mean one thing:

YOU ALL HAVE BAD TASTE IN MUSIC!"


No, it means I was asleep. Somehow I just fell asleep while programming at 8PM until 8AM the next day.

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Ooh, cool. Will get sharpish. As for lyrics try Steel Panther. Awesome stuff

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Just checked it out on Spotify and it's okay, personally I didn't think anything special, but then I've not always really listen to Megadeth, but they have some great songs to listen to. Dave Musthaveitmyway of course irritates me too, but of course as some from bands can be idiots, I think it's just best to ignore it and enjoy the music, though it's not always the case with fans.

Though I am sure Dave Mustang secretly plays Guitar Hero: Metallica screaming, "aww yeah, James Hetfield baby!"

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Quote: ""aww yeah, James Hetfield baby!""

James Hetfield is a complete legend. I like Dave Mustaine to a point, but I noticed that he seems to want attention alot especially in the music video to Hangar 18. Look at the part with the frozen band members it just so happens to be that Dave is the only one with his eyes open.lol



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I think you'll find most band frontmen have egos like planets. It's how they pull themselves to the top and keep the band together.

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Quote: "I think you'll find most band frontmen have egos like planets. It's how they pull themselves to the top and keep the band together."

Yeah, I agree.



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Posted: 26th Sep 2009 02:43 Edited at: 26th Sep 2009 02:43
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Personally, I don't give a crap about the people that are making the music. All I care about is how good the songs on the album are, and the songs on this one are pretty damn good compared to how boring all of their albums past Countdown to Extinction and Youthanasia have been.

Quote: "James Hetfield is a complete legend. I like Dave Mustaine to a point"


Mustaine does write some pretty good riffs now and then, but Hetfield writes absolutely awesome riffs quite consistantly, even in Metallica's sellout years (which, in my opinion, they still haven't completely recovered from). In terms of solos, Metallica and Megadeth are more or less equal in musicianship, but Metallica's song structures are much more organized and sophisticated. Just listen to "Burnt Ice" off Megadeth's previous album, and you'll see how chaotic and disorganized Mustaine's song structures can be.

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Quote: "even in Metallica's sellout years (which, in my opinion, they still haven't completely recovered from)"

Metallica has always been metallica, too be honest they didn't "sell out" they just tried a new type of music, too be honest any metal style fits metallica. Hence the METALlica.lol But I just like the music.



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Well, some say Metallica sold out when they released their first music video and I think Metallica are putting themselves in the star spotlight quite a bit, personally I think the same passion that fueled the first few albums is now lost, I'm not sure if I'd call that selling it out, but I suppose that money might be an influence to continue, but that's surely the case for whenever somebody has a record label.

They still play to fans I think, I just love the fact when I saw them lives they played the entire album Master of Puppets and some of their famous songs at the end followed by 4 encores - I was expecting material from St Anger, but I think they only played one song off of it, which is good as I didn't like the album. The Master of Puppets thing was in tribute to Cliff Burton, but they still performed their early work quite nicely, so whilst I believe their song writing no longer has what made their music appealing, they still could pull it off and have me in awe.

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Some thrash purists say that Metallica sold out as early as Ride the Lightning, which had their first ballad. Others say that they sold out with their video for One, which is ridiculous. Yet others say that they sold out with the Black Album, which is only half true. The Black Album did have several slower songs that couldn't rightly be called "Thrash" songs, but for the most part is was still thoroughly Metallica.

In my own opinion, they didn't completely sell out until Load, which remains my least favorite of their albums to this day (though I can still listen to it occasionally). Reload was a little better, and St. Anger was... unique. Not as good as Reload but certainly better than Load, just for different reasons. Death Magnetic was a true return to form, and was about as good as the Black Album.

However, Megadeth sold out WAY more than Metallica ever did. There was Countdown to Extinction, which was the same kind of thing as the Black Album. Then there was Youthanasia, which was about the same as Load. Then there was Cryptic Writings and Risk, which were NOT metal albums. Especially Risk, which is my least favorite album by any of the big four of thrash (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and Anthrax). But then there was The World Needs a Hero, which was quite impressive compared to Risk, though still not quite Megadeth. Actually, I think The World Needs a Hero was better than The System Has Failed, the next one, which only had 2 good songs on it. Their next one, United Abominations, was the first album that really sounded like Megadeth since Countdown. A bad Megadeth album, but still Megadeth.

But this is why Endgame seems so good. United Abominations got them back to the proper Megadeth style, but this one is the first GOOD Megadeth album since Countdown. Really the only complaint I have is that I wish Dave would shut up and just play guitar, the vocals seem like they're there just to be there. They don't add to the music at all, and it would have been way better if the whole album was all instrumental.

Anyway, sorry for the history lesson.

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Well, I'd probably back the argument that change doesn't mean 'sell-out', selling out is when your songs are made for the money and are made to appeal to what sells. So a time when a band is not on par with their style, or aren't kicking up to their usual standard or decide to write a ballad doesn't necessarily mean sell-out. I personally felt Metallica lost their touch more than anything and are trying to get it back.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2009 05:35 Edited at: 26th Sep 2009 05:37
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All of their albums from Kill 'em All to the Black Album were fast and heavy, i.e. Thrash Metal. The Black Album was only a little slower, but was still just a heavy as ever. Load was slow and not as heavy, so it doesn't appeal to my musical taste very much. It just so happens that most people like music that is slower and not as heavy as Thrash. They changed their original style to something that will appeal to a greater number of people, so I define that as selling out.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2009 06:16 Edited at: 26th Sep 2009 06:21
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Depends on their intention - what caused their change in music? Money? Appeal for larger audiences? Trying new things? Changes in life? Inability to keep music consistent? A band isn't necessarily going to keep their music consistent. Take Therion for example, originally a Death metal band from Sweden. Check out this song from 1991. This is very different from this one(2007) and this one(2009, from a concert covering several pieces of classical music).

Symphonic metal has been picking up quite a bit of popularity, so I am curious as to whether or not you'd class it as changing their music because they want to or because they've decided to ditch the death metal and sell out for the symphonic market? Personally, I'd doubt that they sold out, I mean you can see they put a lot of effort into their music still.

It's a bigger contrast, but Metallica went from thrash metal for something lighter. Therion went from death metal for something symphonic, so I hope you can see why I've used Therion as an example.

I'm just questioning this, because I hear, "Oh they're a sell-out" so often that I think, "are they saying that because they've changed and the person doesn't like what they've gone for or/and more people enjoy it or is the band an actual genuine sell out"

I don't know the answer for Metallica, I'm just interested in the reasoning behind the 'sell-out' label.

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It does indeed depend on their intention. I don't know enough about the band Therion to know whether their musical change was ispired by a desire by the band members to try new things or not, but Death Metal is actually one of the most popular forms of metal. Thrash lost it's popularity in the 90s, so Metallica's change was from a less popular genre to a more popular one. But Therion's was from a popular genre to another popular genre, so I don't think you can call that selling out.

But I do know that Metallica were not a very happy bunch of musicians in the 90s, so I think it's safe to say that what they did was "sell out".

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The end?
Reminds me of the doors this crazy song:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoBFhdeR9PE

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Personally I always prefer the mellow Metallica songs, like Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters, and One of course (although that does get about as thrashy as Metallica can get). But the main thing is that these songs are incredible, it's fine to be a bit mellow as long as your outstanding. For me, Megadeth never had songs like these, so could never cross over and get more mainstream fans, by mainstream, I mean fans that actually have money to spend.

I'm thinking that it all boils down to Dave at the end of the day, his singing style and his attitude just don't interest people enough - and people who are interested often are only interested in the same way as they are interested in watching a beetle struggle to get off it's back.

In the UK Megadeth are quite popular, and maybe that's why I resent them a little, I always thought that Pantera deserved the recognition much more. The first time I heard Vulgar Display of Power it blew my mind. I'm thinking that the old school British fans of Iron Maiden and ACDC might have preferred Megadeths style.

Of course I could be wrong, there's probably some great Megadeth songs that I never heard.


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Quote: "Personally I always prefer the mellow Metallica songs, like Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters, and One of course (although that does get about as thrashy as Metallica can get). But the main thing is that these songs are incredible, it's fine to be a bit mellow as long as your outstanding. For me, Megadeth never had songs like these"
How about A Tout Le Monde? They made a faster version for their United Abominations album but they're both pretty mellow, for megadeth at least.

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Quote: "Personally I always prefer the mellow Metallica songs, like Unforgiven, Nothing Else Matters, and One of course"


You know, it's funny. Other than One (which is absolutely EPIC) you just named two of my least favorite Metallica songs!

Quote: "But the main thing is that these songs are incredible, it's fine to be a bit mellow as long as your outstanding. For me, Megadeth never had songs like these, so could never cross over and get more mainstream fans, by mainstream, I mean fans that actually have money to spend."


Define "outstanding". What is it that makes Metallica's mellow years any better than Megadeth's mellow years? They both slowed the tempo, they both simplified the song structures, and they both made less heavy riffs. The only difference, for me, is that Hetfield's voice was more fitting for the more commercial sound, while Dave has always kept his thrasher voice throughout the years. This resulted in a very strange and, quite frankly, BAD sound on Megadeth's late 90s material.

There was a point in the commercialism where Metallica stopped, but Megadeth continued. Load and Reload were as commercialized as Metallica ever got, they never got as bad as Cryptic Writings and especially Risk. So yeah, Metallica was better than Megadeth in the 90s, but that's mostly because Metallica likes to release one or two albums and then you don't get anything from them for years.

Quote: "I'm thinking that it all boils down to Dave at the end of the day, his singing style and his attitude just don't interest people enough "


Yes, his voice does get annoying after a while. But if you grew up listening to thrash, like me, you'd have heard MUCH worse and more annoying singers than Mustaine. Compared to some he actually sounds pretty good.

Quote: "In the UK Megadeth are quite popular, and maybe that's why I resent them a little, I always thought that Pantera deserved the recognition much more."


Pantera was a VERY mediocre band. They released two okay albums, Cowboys From Hell and Vulgar Display of Power, but after that they just got very generic and boring.

Quote: "Of course I could be wrong, there's probably some great Megadeth songs that I never heard."


Their classic 80s material and their new stuff is pretty good, but everything past Countdown to Extinction and before The World Needs a Hero was "bla". Listen to "Peace Sells" "Good Mourning/Black Friday" "Set the World Afire" "Holy Wars... the Punishment Due" and "Symphony of Destruction".

Quote: "How about A Tout Le Monde? They made a faster version for their United Abominations album but they're both pretty mellow, for megadeth at least."


The original from Youthanasia was the best version of that song. I just can't stand the female vocalist in the United Abominations version.

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