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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 18:03
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Hi, I think this video might interest some of you.
I thought I would share my "Tron vs the matrix" video, it looks at how various events in the Matrix trilogy appear in similar circumstances in Tron, enjoy

Tron vs The Matrix video

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 20:28
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Interesting, I only just watched Tron (yes, I know, I fail as a geek) for the first time a couple of days ago, so it's fresh in my head. I suppose there are quite a few similarities.

Truth is, people often take their ideas from somewhere - a source of inspiration. I know one of the intentions for The Matrix was Plato's Allegory of the Cave and his philosophy, where we're essentially living in a 'shadow' world. So perhaps they thought, "yeah, a digital shadow world to modernise it a bit...sort of like Tron!"
"Yeah, dude! Totally, get that down, that is some good stuff!"

Also, has anybody seen the new Tron trailier?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxolhNz6n4o&feature=fvst

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 20:44
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Never seen Tron but that was rather interesting.

And I laughed at the TronTrix part lol.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 21:34 Edited at: 27th Sep 2009 21:36
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I'v never watched Tron or the Matrix... when the matrix came out, my mom wouldn't let me see it cause I was "too young" and I never really bothered to give tron a watch.

Also, I feel this is relevant:


It basically illustrates that Harry potter and the Philosophers Stone = Star Wars: A New Hope.

I have a devious mind.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 21:43
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^^ No, that basically proves that Star Wars didn't have an original base plot, and neither did Philosopher's Stone.


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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 21:50
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Sorcerer's Stone. Philosopher's Stone is from an anime which name escapes me at the moment. But that doesn't matter. Good point Omega/ Jeku.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 22:01
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Quote: "Sorcerer's Stone. Philosopher's Stone"

Philosopher's. Harry Potter is English.

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Sorcerer's Stone is what it was called in the US, the original and UK version of the book is 'Philosopher's Stone'. It was joked to me that it was because typical Americans can't say 'Philosopher', I wonder if it's true?

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 22:23
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I can say it without difficulty. But I'm sure most of the other residents of West Virginia have trouble. Thanks for pointing out that it's actually the philosopher's stone. I learned something today.

About Harry Potter...

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 23:18
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I can prove that every movie is unoriginal.

In (movie name), the (protagonist name) is in a conflict with the (antagonist name).

It's like I'm really a creative writing major!

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Posted: 27th Sep 2009 23:51
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Stories all come from somewhere - even geniuses like Shakespeare and Chaucer drew inspiration from elsewhere, they took inspiration from the likes of Ovid and Ovid took his ideas from Greek Mythology and Greek mythology took its roots from a tradition of storytelling, which goes way back and we can't trace the Greek mythology to its original storytellers, nor do we know how the stories sounded in their earliest forms.

But it doesn't make it plagiarism, people do their own twists on things that are really well done and add their own bit to it - for example Tolkein did a great job of adapting Norse mythology into The Lord of The Rings.

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so if writers draw upon other stories as a basis... where did the first story come from?
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Writers can draw 'ideas' from anywhere - the story for ideas needn't be written by another, but derived from real life, EG. George Orwell, 1984 probably took inspiration from Nazi Germany and for Animal Farm he took inspiration from Soviet Russia, but the plot line is very unlikely to be original as constructs may come from elsewhere, even if multiple places, it's very difficult to think originally, but where did the first story come from? My guess would be a caveman telling his friend about the size of the mammoth he just killed - the story would have derived from life experience and the structure would be based entirely on the chain of events as he has memorised them and the basic language of the cave-man.

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@ionstream - Why does it have to be two characters in conflict? The best stories come from internal conflict.

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Quote: "The best stories come from internal conflict."


Fight Club was great!

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Quote: "Why does it have to be two characters in conflict?"


The protagonist and antagonist can be the same.

Quote: "The best stories come from internal conflict."


That's hard to prove.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2009 11:29 Edited at: 28th Sep 2009 11:30
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Not really hard to prove, and in essence, all stories with real weight involve an internal struggle that the lead character experiences. The "Hero with a thousand faces" explains the hero's journey pretty well, with the main character having to overcome a conflict that is not only external (the empire), but also internal (the truth about his father). It is the internal conflict, the human condition, that we relate to most and find expression in.

Ah, I keep wanting to post something about the use of the words antagonist and protagonist. They are a little misleading these days in terms of stories. Hard to describe without sounding like a smart alec, lol.

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- edit - Not meaning to shoot you down, ionstream. Sorry if I seem abrupt

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Since an antagonist is strictly a person though, the protagonist vs. antagonist premise doesn't really work with more abstract concepts (for example in the film "The Fountain" where the closest thing to an antagonist is the concept of death itself)

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The Fountain was just confusing to watch. I can't figure out if I liked it or not.

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