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Travis Gatlin
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Hi,i am trying to find a Good (maybe 512 mb?)3D graphics card for a 2008 HP laptop,tried googling it,tried local stores,couldn't find nothing but really weak cards,could you give me somthing between $100-$200 if possible?

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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 04:57 Edited at: 13th Oct 2009 05:00
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You can get an awesome card for under $200, either you're not looking very hard or you have unrealistic expectations of "good".

Radeon HD 4890 1GB - $200
GeForce GTX 260 869MB - $200


Those aren't good cards?

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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 05:03
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Quote: "Radeon HD 4890 1GB - $200
GeForce GTX 260 869MB - $200

Those aren't good cards?"


Those cards are to die for!

Seriously Travis, check out newegg.com. They have great deals on graphics cards. Just make sure they're compatible with your motherboard and monitor.



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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 05:13
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Quote: "2008 HP laptop"


I haven't heard good things about swapping video cards on laptops .
Try looking on newegg best site so far for computer parts.

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Posted: 13th Oct 2009 05:16 Edited at: 13th Oct 2009 05:16
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I don't have any clue about messing with hardware in a laptop, but i got a laptop with a GeForce 9600m GT and it's really good (not quite as good as a comparably priced desktop graphics card, but still good).
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tigerdirect also has some decent stuff... but...

Quote: "Who doesn't want better graphics quality from their notebook PC? You can get there by doing it yourself. But be warned: If the upgrade is possible at all for your laptop, it can be a time-consuming operation that involves disassembling virtually your entire notebook, so don't enter into this process unless you are willing to accept the risk of doing serious harm to your machine."


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Laptops are a pain in the butt to upgrade other than RAM or maybe a HDD.

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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 01:10
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well i heard newer laptops have a panel in the bottom where the graphics card is located

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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There were some Dells (I think?) which had changeable graphics cards many a year ago but it was scrapped because the cards were expensive due to their proprietary nature and so nobody bought them.

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Travis Gatlin
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well i wont be changing my own card anyway i going to hire geek squad to do it

Quote: " Radeon HD 4890 1GB - $200
GeForce GTX 260 869MB - $200

Those aren't good cards?

Those cards are to die for! "

ya know what that is exactly what i wanted to hear! i was expecting you to say
"you are going to have to spend more money than that for a good graphics card"

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 19:32
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Quote: "well i wont be changing my own card anyway i going to hire geek squad to do it"


Doesn't change the fact that the graphics chipset is BGAed to the board.

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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 20:56
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well i know that! but im pretty sure that they can change it...

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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I don't think you understand how difficult it is to remove a BGA.



It isn't like a chip with legs. You can't just be careful with a soldering iron and get away with it. You either need to put the whole board in an oven (risky!) or use a reflow station which Geek Squad, I can guarantee, will not have.

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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 14th Oct 2009 22:44 Edited at: 14th Oct 2009 22:46
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well i dont really know That Much About it because i dont study it,i like working with the programs on the computer\

Edit: Yes i do know how hard it is!

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I can see you're not even trying to understand what I'm talking about, so I will say it more plainly.

THERE IS A 99.9% CHANCE YOUR LAPTOP DOES NOT HAVE AN UPGRADEABLE GPU!

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Travis Gatlin
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WELL OK THAT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I ASKED!!!
Quote: "i am trying to find a Good (maybe 512 mb?)3D graphics card for a 2008 HP laptop"

RING ANY BELLS?

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Posted: 15th Oct 2009 00:25 Edited at: 15th Oct 2009 00:26
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Do you know what 'not upgradeable' means?


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Quote: "WELL OK THAT DOESNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT I ASKED!!!
Quote: "i am trying to find a Good (maybe 512 mb?)3D graphics card for a 2008 HP laptop"
RING ANY BELLS?"


Bold, capital letters aren't going to make the GPU upgradeable, you know. Just sayin'.

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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 15th Oct 2009 00:41
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Quote: "Do you know what 'not upgradeable' means?"

yeah i do!
it means you cant improve somthing!
but still! i am sick of having a computer that absolutely sucks with 3D Graphics!

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Whats wrong with the mobile intel 965? surely thats interchangable as its a laptop card, it runs everything i need it to
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Travis Gatlin
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who are you talking to? them or me?

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either. anybody who cares?
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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 15th Oct 2009 01:27
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I never heard of it,but i will look it up

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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 15th Oct 2009 01:30
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Found it!!!!! wow that is exactly what i need!

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Glad i could help, not sure if it'll have the same problems as others when it comes to installing on a laptop though.

But it runs every game ive tried on it, Halo, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3, Age of Empires 2, DarkBasic ofc...
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Travis Gatlin
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kool thats what i need thanx!

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Mini-PCIe graphics card?

Wonder if I could swap it for the WiFi in my Eee?

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Travis Gatlin
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Posted: 15th Oct 2009 02:06
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where did that come from?

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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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That's what he's talking about... jeez, can't you read? The Intel Mobile 965 Googled conjures images of Intel mini-PCIe cards. Mini-PCIe is usually used for WiFi cards in laptops.

I've got to wonder, though; how is the image getting to the display? If it's going back down the PCIe, that's gonna be sloooooooooooooooooooooooooow.

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Quote: "jeez, can't you read?"

yes i can read,im one of the best readers in my school


Wait... OOOh now i get it i thought you were talking about a different card,not a part of the intel mobile...

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Oops sorry, missed the laptop part.

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Travis Gatlin
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well then what do you know about laptop cards?

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i thought you were happy with the mobile intel
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Travis Gatlin
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yeah i am, but i cant find a price...

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Listen, between this Intel PCIe card you're trying to find (I can't find any info on it either, past it's the name of a chipset, which you can't just swap out), you should forget about upgrading the graphics card for any laptop.

Yes, there have been external and/or swappable solutions. One that comes to mind is the ASUS XG Station, which works through an Express Card slot on your notebook, which runs roughly as fast as a PCI-Express x1 slot. But it wasn't put up for sale anywhere but Australia, and it was pulled from production in 2009, so you're kinda out of luck with that option.

If you're looking to upgrade your graphics capability, buy a newer laptop with a better graphics card, or buy/build a desktop with a better card. The internal graphics card with your laptop isn't upgradeable in any sense of practicality, and even if you did find a Geek Squad location, like you're intending, that would be willing to do the work, you'd be better off just buying/building a new rig after how much they'd charge you for the service.

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Travis Gatlin
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well there is a geek squad in my location,they said they could on the phone,they dont charge alot to replace them either!,but im probally going to get one of those windows 7 laptops,i figured out the other day that i could get a laptop with windows 7 home premium for $400,i could just sell my current laptop for $300 and get the better one for $100! so i think i will just do that. thanks for the help anyway.

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They probably think you mean a graphics card swap for a desktop, which is effortless to do. You gotta remember that Geek Squad is also the kind of group that'd charge $100 to install a game console at your house, so they might assume you're just mistaken.

But if you're referring to one of those NVIDIA Ion platform Netbooks coming out on Windows 7's release, go for it. The graphics card it comes with isn't the most powerful, but they're certainly better than any intel integrated chip (which I expect your laptop has, if you're wanting to upgrade it so much), and do a damn decent job of running a lot of modern games at decent settings with playable frame rates. Though, don't expect miracles. I might even pick one up too to replace the laptop I have for taking notes and doing school work.

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Quote: "well i wont be changing my own card anyway i going to hire geek squad to do it"


Before you let Geek Squad do anything watch these videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oho7NDaXtts&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmNrm9vHBHs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru7YASyMKwE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxqx4hgeKgQ&feature=related

I've been fixing computers since the 90's and the amount they charge for the service you don't actually get is outrageous. If I was you I would only trust a mom-and-pop computer shop rather than the Geek Squad.

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heck man i live in the south, i dont think there would be a "mom and pop" computer shop, im the only one i know that is any good at computers.

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Quote: "That's what he's talking about... jeez, can't you read? The Intel Mobile 965 Googled conjures images of Intel mini-PCIe cards."


Just looks like all the other Intel graphics stuff to me. It's just integrated into the northbridge. Nothing you could upgrade/replace or stick on a card.

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Quote: "heck man i live in the south, i dont think there would be a "mom and pop" computer shop, im the only one i know that is any good at computers."


You've just got to be social and talk to any customer that knows about computers. They can usually direct you to a cheaper and more reliable tech guy than any major stores techies. There may be a mom-and-pop store near you that you've never heard about because they can't afford advertising.

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could you think i could send it to HP and get it replaced? my laptop is still under warranty

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I doubt HP would do it for you. A reflow is so expensive to setup and do that on motherboard failure most of the time they just replace the whole motherboard.

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oh well i'll just get a new laptop...

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Sometimes getting a new laptop is the answer.

If you want one with nice graphics, you'll have to plan on spending at least $550+ for decent graphics. Dell has nice laptops and so does Gateway, but HP and Compaq are decently priced. Be careful when making your final decision!

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Don't expect to be able to rely on a laptop with powerful graphics... a combination of colossal heat production and abysmal cooling systems means three years if you're lucky.

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well its not like i will be bringing it any where,the only reasons im getting a laptop is for price and space reasons.

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The last thing you want to buy a Laptop for is price!

You get about half the power of a desktop for the same cost.

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It's not dragging it around that aggravates the heat death, it's bad airflow due to aesthetic design compromising practical design.

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Quote: "You get about half the power of a desktop for the same cost."

well i dont got no room for no desktop computer,i barrely got any room for my laptop

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You can get a mini-tower. This one I use at work... it's 10 inches high, 4 inches wide, and 15 inches deep. It's tiny but it's a dual-core, 4gigs of ram with a GeForce G100. I'm pretty sure the case is made out of steel since it's heavy for it's size.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9174458&type=product&id=1218044490195

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