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Geek Culture / The problem with Alien vs Predator 2

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Posted: 19th Oct 2009 15:37
Well I hope my video posts aren't seen as spammy, I realise I have two threads on the go here at the moment (superman) but I have a slight suspicion there are a few Alien fans on this forum, so with out further a do...

http://www.creativefail.com/2009/10/the-problem-with-alien-vs-predator-2/

What do you get when you put Alien and Predator in a blender ? Effluence!

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Posted: 19th Oct 2009 15:50
Aliens is my favorite film, I really like Alien, and Predator (first one). Anything with a predator in it since the original has sucked.

I'd rather watch Predator or Aliens than anything they can come up with - what we imagined, what we were 'promised' was a lot different to what we actually got. I mean, did anyone else assume that the movie would be set in space, maybe another gang of marines, happen across an Alien v Predator battle and get caught up in it.

Predator is dead to me, they killed it, they took everything that was cool about the original film and replaced it with Danny Glover's terrible cop act, then they raped it with these last 2 films. Poor Pred, he deserves a good game, or a movie to himself again, or something.


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Posted: 19th Oct 2009 16:02
I'm totally in accordance.
But then what do you expect?!
Dan O'bannon, the guy that did the screen play, has written almost every Alien film since the original. After , what, 32 years writing the same material he must be bored out of his socks. And it's not like he's a bad writer, he did the screenplay for Screamers, which was a super cool 1995 movie based on a P.K.Dick novel.

Anyway.

I loved the first predator, but frankly it should have never gone any further than the sequel. SUre predator is great, but really he's not much cooler than many other sci-fi hunters. Why not Aliens VS Boba Fett? hmm?!

I hate this wave of sequels and remakes recently. It seems so pointless. Its almost as if HollyWood doesn't trust it's audience to watch anything that isn't polished and written for the intelligence of a 14 year old. Like Speilburg remaking Old Boy... thanks steven, but I was capable of reading the subtitles the first time around, and it was an amazing piece of cinema. Please don't go interfering with it! Same goes for aliens.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2009 16:05
Quote: "Like Speilburg remaking Old Boy"

What? That's been remade? Now I'm intrigued.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2009 16:25
Out of all the new movies recently, I must admit that I did really enjoy Zombieland, Woody Harrelson is pretty under-rated as a comedy actor, but the main thing is it's a pretty funny and enjoyable zombie film, like we used to have.

Damn, when did it become great that a movie is just pretty good, like pretty good is better than we are used to these days. When a new movie is pretty good, that means it's a bloomin must see by todays standards. I don't think I've seen an incredible movie in a long time, the most incredible film I've seen in the last couple of years is Gran Turino, with good old Clint Eastwood.

It used to be that I'd pick out movies from my collection that I'd let people borrow, nowadays I pick out movies from my collection that I'm not too embarrassed to let people borrow. It's pretty bad when to watch an awesome movie or two you have to go back several years, at the very least back to Matrix and LOTR, are those really the last of the great movies...

At this rate I'm gonna start reading books again.


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Posted: 19th Oct 2009 16:36
I don't know... though hollywood has seen better days, there are lots of other places where movies bloom. Can't disregard them all like that.

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Posted: 19th Oct 2009 17:13
Old Boy is said to have Will Smith as the lead role, that just sounds too strange to me.

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Quote: "Predator is dead to me, they killed it, they took everything that was cool about the original film and replaced it with Danny Glover's terrible cop act, then they raped it with these last 2 films. Poor Pred, he deserves a good game, or a movie to himself again, or something."

Predator 2 was alright, atleast it was better than the AVP eyesores.



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I remember renting AvP2. AvP was crap too, but I remember thinking that occasionally (just occasionally!) when they make a crap film, they realise their mistakes and make a half decent one next time. But this is a great example of being oblivious to the fact the first one was dire, and then making a sequel that is even worse.

One of my pet hates. If you think it's good, wash your brain out with soap and water, you filthy child.

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What I didn't get is that in the original Alien films, it's set in the future and the existence of aliens becomes a suprise, so much so that nobody believe Siggorny Weaver, now, AvP2 is set during the present, Aliens attacking is some pretty huge news, you know, people would know for generations and it would be documented, there would have been some videos too, and of course, precautions made too...how come that's all forgotten when Siggorny warns people about the aliens. Have people suddenly forgotten about history?

But I thought the film was terrible.

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Talking about versus movies and remakes
Jason vs Freddy is another one of those love to hate movies.Being a freddy fan... and all.

I'm sure there will be another AVP movie...(Yip google confirms my worst fear) http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=42780

Their making a new Freddy versus Jason versus Micheal(from Halloween) movie should be a rather good comedy.

I think the problem is these remakes don't have the cult classic 80's feel to them.

80's horror and thriller movies were comedy mixed with classic horror music and fake bits of flesh and blood.

I would hate to see they remake some of the following movies.(yeah I like my horror movies)
Tales from the crypt(The first one with the swamp thing)
Poltergeist (1st one ruled 2 not too bad)
V (comedy slash horror thriller or whatever you want to call)
Nightmare on elm street (Wes Craven's new nightmare showed it should have been left alone to die in peace)
Bones
Beetlejuice
Alien Dead
The Boogeyman (there was a remake of sort)
Death Ship (I think there was a remake as well)
Shining, The (Red rum red rum)
The Evil Dead (Personal favorite leave it alone)
Creepshow
Christine ( King movies from the 80's are boring but I'm a king fan)
Jaws
Children of the Corn (was good but the rest of the movies lost the plot)
Firestarter (King to the rescue)
Gremlins (Another favorite movie)Gizmo KAKA !!
Fright Night
The Fly
Hellraiser (Do I need to say more)
Phantasm (Weird as hell movie but good)
Clownhouse (Another one of those weird ones)
Pet Sematary (king again)

Sorry for the highjack but it shows there are still plenty of movies that they can screw around with...

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Posted: 20th Oct 2009 16:49 Edited at: 20th Oct 2009 16:49
Quote: "What I didn't get is that in the original Alien films, it's set in the future and the existence of aliens becomes a suprise, so much so that nobody believe Siggorny Weaver, now, AvP2 is set during the present, Aliens attacking is some pretty huge news, you know, people would know for generations and it would be documented, there would have been some videos too, and of course, precautions made too...how come that's all forgotten when Siggorny warns people about the aliens. Have people suddenly forgotten about history?"


What you've done there is ask a sensible question about a film made by muppets. It's like trying to discuss the hidden meaning in a 2 year old's finger painting. It's just a load of cack.

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Haha, well, the sharp edges created by the 2 year old's shapes on the page might represent some kind of frustration, maybe they were bullied that day or parents at home were fighting again.

In other words, logic is too much to ask for.

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Hehe wizard, you been snooping through my DVD collection?

You missed Pumpkinhead (my personal favorite) - it's like the most atmospheric horror ever made.

One thing that annoyed me was The Hills Have Eyes remake - now the remake is cack, even with that cute girl from LOST in it there's still no point at all in watching it - despite all the hype.

They can recreate the horror, add in better cast, better effects, but they can't remake the charm. And this is not my getting all dewy eyed about old horror films, because I saw the remake first, then was stunned by how much better the original is, not was . There's so many little bits where the bad guys just make me laugh, they are infinitely more believable as a family of psycho's than the remakes cast. There's a bit where Jupiter and Mercury are talking about what's for dinner, then Mercury get's savaged by a dog and falls off a cliff - but the reaction on Jupiter's face and in his voice, this look of real shock and horror, and this sad little yelp. I remember that, I remember how unsettling it is when you can't stick a convenient label onto something that scares you.

The more human they make the monster, the scarier it is - the original Hills had very human bad guys, they might eat you, but they'd eat you as a family, around the dinner table. The remake forgot this, and sucked. That's what is so awesome about Pumpkinhead too, and Freddy Krueger - give these monsters a sense of humor, family, friends, make them human and then there's a reason to fear them. Everything else is a zombie.

Really though, if horror writers don't get it by now, they never will - that's why before very long, independent horror films will get a more loyal and interested fan base. I mean how much fun would it be to make an old style slasher movie.... it's becoming more and more accessible for people to do this stuff, and I hope they do.

Anywhoo, to keep this on topic....

Predator 2 was just meh, nothing substantial to it, like eating a pie with no filling - or filled with broken dreams and empty promises. Compared to the first movie it's just rancid. And I can feel justified in tearing it a new one because I waited so damn long on Pred 2, it should have been awesome, like Aliens. Then we waited so DAAAAMMMMNNNNNN long on AVP, then that was a turd as well. Then AVP2 is turd... we're on a slippery turd slope, with only a s!!t-rope to hold onto. (soz, watched Countdown To Liquor Day the other day )


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Give me $20,000,000 Van, and I'll make you an AvP that'll make you wet your pants with glee!

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I'll do it for free, though it might turn out as a cheezy comedy.

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Get some action figures, film it in your garden at night, and use Microsoft Sam to do all the voices. I'd still rather watch that than AVP2 .


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Pretty solid video. Pretty terrible movie.

By the way, when you do voiceovers with the clips of the movie, record the audio with your camera so the audio sounds constant.

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@Van B
Quote: "Hehe wizard, you been snooping through my DVD collection? "
Um err No way!!! my collection of cheesy 80's horror movies
are way better besides you would have assassinated me in some cheesy horror way last night if I did....

I can see it now me sitting on the toilet and this hand slowing moving pushing the turds to the side and ripping my guts out and blood spilling out of my mouth with this shock horror look I think I squeezed to hard...

One of my friends making a cheesy catch phrase. "Now that is what I call a bowl movement!"

Watched P1 and P2 again last night.Danny clover should have had Mel Gibson as his sidekick.

We could call it "What Predators want"

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Hmm ... filming our own version of AvP ... hmmm ... that gives me an idea ... time for a new thread.

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One thing that annoyed me was The Hills Have Eyes remake - now the remake is cack, even with that cute girl from LOST in it there's still no point at all in watching it - despite all the hype.

They can recreate the horror, add in better cast, better effects, but they can't remake the charm. And this is not my getting all dewy eyed about old horror films, because I saw the remake first, then was stunned by how much better the original is, not was . There's so many little bits where the bad guys just make me laugh, they are infinitely more believable as a family of psycho's than the remakes cast. There's a bit where Jupiter and Mercury are talking about what's for dinner, then Mercury get's savaged by a dog and falls off a cliff - but the reaction on Jupiter's face and in his voice, this look of real shock and horror, and this sad little yelp. I remember that, I remember how unsettling it is when you can't stick a convenient label onto something that scares you.

The more human they make the monster, the scarier it is - the original Hills had very human bad guys, they might eat you, but they'd eat you as a family, around the dinner table. The remake forgot this, and sucked. That's what is so awesome about Pumpkinhead too, and Freddy Krueger - give these monsters a sense of humor, family, friends, make them human and then there's a reason to fear them. Everything else is a zombie.

Really though, if horror writers don't get it by now, they never will - that's why before very long, independent horror films will get a more loyal and interested fan base. I mean how much fun would it be to make an old style slasher movie.... it's becoming more and more accessible for people to do this stuff, and I hope they do.

Anywhoo, to keep this on topic....

Predator 2 was just meh, nothing substantial to it, like eating a pie with no filling - or filled with broken dreams and empty promises. Compared to the first movie it's just rancid. And I can feel justified in tearing it a new one because I waited so damn long on Pred 2, it should have been awesome, like Aliens. Then we waited so DAAAAMMMMNNNNNN long on AVP, then that was a turd as well. Then AVP2 is turd... we're on a slippery turd slope, with only a s!!t-rope to hold onto. (soz, watched Countdown To Liquor Day the other day )"


They are remaking 'A Nightmare On Elm Street' making it realistic (why?). Giving the face real burns, and the voice burned vocal chords. Freddie may be innocent of killing children as well. I'm not for making this movie realistic. I prefer the evil face of Freddie, not a burned face that looks realistic.

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By realistic, do you just mean realistic special effects, or do you mean he is a real man, and doesn't exist in peoples dreams? If so, it sounds like a reasonable idea, but it shouldn't be part of the Freddie franchise. The entire points of Nightmare on Elm Street is you can't fall asleep, otherwise you get savaged.

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This movie was awful. The first one sucked, but this one was way out of that one's league, this was just a steaming pile of crap. No more semi-funny lines, horrible acting, and the writing was pretty awful too. Aliens was the best of them all.

The one thing I do get in this movie is at the end the guy gives the predator's gun to ms yatoni or something, because the "company" is named weiland yotani in the other films.
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Quote: "By realistic, do you just mean realistic special effects, or do you mean he is a real man, and doesn't exist in peoples dreams? If so, it sounds like a reasonable idea, but it shouldn't be part of the Freddie franchise. The entire points of Nightmare on Elm Street is you can't fall asleep, otherwise you get savaged."


He still comes after you in your dreams, but they have tried to make him a realistic burns victim.

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Quote: "What? That's been remade? Now I'm intrigued."

That was a metaphor. Hurr Hurr...

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Quote: "That was a metaphor. Hurr Hurr..."

Are you sure about that?

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I haven't seen AvP2 - I only watched AvP because the lass I was going out with at the time wanted to, but it was rubbish. I didn't mind Freddie versus Jason as much - anything with Jason Vorhees in you've got to expect to be enjoyably rubbish. OK it wasn't as much fun as some of the others, but there's still that sense of familiarity with the characters the long-drawn-out franchise engendered. I love the Nightmare on Elm Street films though. Well, 1-5. 6 was alright, but a bit too far from the formula - it didn't quite fit. Not that I'm for making films all formulaic and such, but... well I am for this kind of thing, you know? 7 was rubbish though.

And on the remakes side track, I've got to say the American versions of The Ring and The Grudge were appalling. Some remakes are good (The Manchurian Candidate with Denzel Washington stands out), some are OK but don't live up to the original (the film of State Of Play has nothing on the TV series), but those films just had nothing going for them, and the originals were so good.

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Quote: "Are you sure about that?"

No.

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I generally consider AVP2 as a cinematographical abortion and I am pretty sure many people here agree with me.

The reasons why it was so bad, well you had to consider why it was made.

Studio knew it would sell well based on the success of previous movies in all 3 related franchises.

Thats pretty much the only reason it was made. When a movie is made specifically for the purpose of earning a large amount of money, the film is almost always rushed(especially in the writing and pre-production).

The writing process usually consists of a group of people deciding how many CG special effects, stunts, bullet times they can fit in a loose story frame, because the majority of people like these effects just because they look cool (even though they mostly look samey and somewhat characteristic of a modern crap movie, but only to the trained eye of somebody who appreciates the art of film).

These elements are shoehorned in as much as possible with little regard to the story.

The story will be further butchered by stupid dialogue, bad casting and acting and a rushed principle photography, because these are less likely to contribute to the saleability of the film during its opening weekend, where it will make most of its money.

Generally the scriptwriter(s) will give the preceeding films and media no respect and will generally butcher the folklore that those films have established, with little thought of the reason the huge ret-cons and twists are required, they are just trying to be clever when they are really being stupider than they have ever been.

You only have to look at the advertising this and other similar big budget crapfests are given. Do you recognise the voice yet?
The voice is this one american geezer who has made millions by doing the voice over for film trailers. Generally if you hear this voice in a trailer, you can be pretty sure its going to be crap. Instead of viewing the trailer for what it is, he is telling you how good it is and how much you have to go and see it. These are the kinds of films that people will go and see because their friends say it is good and they intend to make people who don't see it feel left out. This guy uses phrases like

-"The best action horror rom com sci-fi blockbuster since god knows what"
-"The blockbuster everyone is talking about this summer"
-"The scariest film since saw" <- Unlikely, even though saw wasn't scary.

I think I will stop there, I feel I have made my point and thanks to whoever read this short thesis on the state of the film industry

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That's a good point chap, and I wholeheartedly agree. Despite the massive amount of cynicism, I think it's all completely justified and accurate.

Hollywood sucks.

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The scariest movie this year...

Yeah, as if there's a lot of quality horror to compare it with 'this year'. I don't recall seeing a film I'd classify as scary in years, maybe even going back to Silence of the Lambs, and that's more a thriller than anything. I'd take an old VHS copy of Lambs over any horror film made in the last 10 years. Pretty miserable situation for an old-school horror fan it has to be said.

At least zombie films have moved away from horror, more into the mainstream - The only scary zombie movie ever is 28 Days Later, these days we can laugh at zombies again, yay!. Now if we can just get rid of these pathetic emo-vampires we'll be getting somewhere.


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.. and maybe 28 weeks later. Though it's not as tense later on, the intro scene where old Robby is in the house and it gets attacked is heart pounding. I watched that again a few days ago and it kicks ass. Also I would say the Dawn of the Dead remake is a solid film. It's not scary, but it is tense.

But yes, horror is rubbish these days. I don't watch any of these torture porn movies like Saw. What is the point? Since they're devoid of tension, scares and character, the only interesting things are the death scenes, right? But if you actually find those interesting, then you're creative mind is obviously very lacking.

I've got Drag Me To Hell on the way to me from LoveFilm. Assuming Royal Mail can actually deliver it before the apocalypse, I'll let you know if it's actually scary at all.

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Quote: "Generally if you hear this voice in a trailer, you can be pretty sure its going to be crap. "


I'd like to point out he did the voice for a lot of good films too including Indiana Jones franchies, ALIENS (ironic?), Jaws. I could go on. His prescence in a trailer isn't an indicator of anything. In addition, he died recently - last year I believe.

Aliens vs Predator 2 is horrific. Absolutely horrific. My very first in the a long line of criticisms is that it is set in backcountry America. ALIENS in redneck america? Come on.

AVP 1 looks really good compared to it. At least you can tell old Paul WS Anderson tried. The people who WROTE avp2 were music video directors IIRC which explains ALOT. What were they thinking?

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Quote: "he people who WROTE avp2 were music video directors IIRC which explains ALOT"


Just because someone makes music videos doesn't mean they'll be no good at other things. It's a different skill set undoubtedly, but both rely on creative potential. For example Chris Cunningham (probably most famous for his video for Come To Daddy by Aphex Twin and that Bjork one with the robots) worked on films like Judge Dredd (which is great, in a cheesy sort of way) and Alien 3. I know he wasn't involved in writing (can't remember what he actually did but it was something technical I think) but still...

There are probably better examples, but Chris Cunningham's just the only name I ever remember from music video directors...

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Posted: 27th Oct 2009 15:45 Edited at: 27th Oct 2009 15:51
Sorry Fallout, I've seen Drag Me To Hell, and I don't remember 1 single thing about it, it's that good!

The Dawn remake was pretty decent, although I felt that their leading man, was the sort of guy you would feed to a zombie - I just wanted to punch him. But the actual thrills in that movie are pretty good, people get their stuff ruined in glorious fashion and it's an enjoyable zombie massacre flick. Mentioned this already but Zombieland is one to get on DVD, damn good zombie movie, done the way the most of us could imagine dealing with that situation, in other words have a laugh, it's only a zombie. I think it's right up your street Fallout, it's like National Lampoons: Zombie invasion .

The original Dawn though is what made me such a big zombie flick fan - I used to watch all the cheesy ones with the canister of nuke stuff leaking or being opened, and the bad effects and terrible cast, plot... but then I saw Dawn and it was just artful, if you know what I mean. Setting a zombie movie in the one place we might want to wait out a zombie infestation in was genius. It's a shame IMO that Dead Rising on the 360 isn't more of a survival game, it's missing that 'happy just to survive' feel. But again, a mall is an awesome place to be in a zombie invasion.


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You know, Aphex Twins 'Come To Daddy' is scarier than most horror films - they should push that style into a film, have Aphex Twin do the soundtrack, and feature that Jacobs Ladder style disturbing visuals. All the Aphex Twins videos have this vibe, I worry for the man sometimes, it's creepy, but the sort of creepy you can't look away from.


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Quote: "In addition, he died recently - last year I believe."


Must be a different guy we are talking about as he has done voice overs for films that have been released this year.

Quote: "Despite the massive amount of cynicism, I think it's all completely justified and accurate."


Sorry guys, I guess I have been in a cynical mood all day. The state of filmaking as a means to line somebodys pocket as opposed to a craft upsets me.

On the note of music video directors- David Fincher had done primarily music videos to my knowledge when he got the job of directing alien 3. You can say what you want about alien 3 but considering he had almost no script, completed sets and inexperience to work with, he did a pretty good job.

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RE: Movie trailer guy dying...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Don-LaFontaine-Movie-Voiceover-Guy-Who-Voiced-Thousands-Of-Film-Trailers-Dies-Aged-68/Article/200809115092327

Whoever is doing them now is a soundalike.

Quote: "Just because someone makes music videos doesn't mean they'll be no good at other things. It's a different skill set undoubtedly, but both rely on creative potential."


I think directing music videos is totally different from writing sci-fi/horror films. And guess what? AVP2 turned out one of the worst films ever, and that is no joke.

I agree though Mnemonix: Alien 3 has its flaws but the first half especially is pretty worthy!!

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Yeah I didn't think Alien 3 was that bad, but it certainly was not as good as the other three.
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The only thing that ruined Alien3 for me was the cruddy CGI, if they'd stuck with puppets and models then it would have been a pretty atmospheric movie.


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Quote: "The only thing that ruined Alien3 for me was the cruddy CGI, if they'd stuck with puppets and models then it would have been a pretty atmospheric movie."


I'd be well up for an Alien Trilogy special edition, Lucas style - ONLY with better CG on Alien 3. Nothing else.

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Quote: "The only thing that ruined Alien3 for me was the cruddy CGI, if they'd stuck with puppets and models then it would have been a pretty atmospheric movie.
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Well I just found the whole "see the alien's view" and "watch it run on the ceiling" thing pretty stupid.
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Yea, there are bad things with Alien 3, but its a masterpiece compared to the most recent two offerings, the AVP franchise.
If I wanted to make a good AVP film I would have just done the story in the game AvP2 which works really well I find

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Posted: 28th Oct 2009 04:15 Edited at: 28th Oct 2009 04:16
The first two alien movies were classics, but Alien 3 was kind of boring. I never saw #4. Arnold Schwarzeneggar turned Predator into a classic, but without him Predator 2 fell flat on it's face. AVP was unspeakable, though I haven't seen #2.

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Quote: "You know, Aphex Twins 'Come To Daddy' is scarier than most horror films - they should push that style into a film, have Aphex Twin do the soundtrack, and feature that Jacobs Ladder style disturbing visuals"


That would be great.

To be fair, have you listened to the song on it's own much? It's good but I find it gets old quite quickly. With the video though, it's eminently rewatchable. Might watch it now, in fact.

Quote: "All the Aphex Twins videos have this vibe, I worry for the man sometimes, it's creepy, but the sort of creepy you can't look away from."


Might be Cunningham again. I know he's done at least one other high-profile Aphex Twin video. Can't for the life of me remember what it was though. Also, the man's a genius. That video for All Is Full Of Love is briliant. (Song's good too, but I prefer the DCFC cover. Might listen to that now as well).

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Theres Windowlicker, with the hoes who all have his face. Come to Daddy has those creepy faces too, so I think that might be the other one (Windowlicker) I mean - I'd say it was more disruptive than Come To Daddy, it's a tough video to watch .

You should watch all 3, the third being Rubber Johnny, totally awesome video but I don't think it's by the same guy.


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I prefer Alien 3 to Alien 4. And you can call me Susanne if it isn't so.

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Posted: 28th Oct 2009 15:47 Edited at: 28th Oct 2009 15:49
Love the video to Rubber Johnny, but to be fair when I watch the video it's usually the version on youtube where someone's just grabbed the video for that and stuck When Good Dogs Do Bad Things by The Dillinger Escape Plan (with Mike Patton on vocals!) over the top of it.

EDIT: Just looked it up and Chris Cunningham directed Rubber Johnny and Windowlicker. Looks like a bit of a long-running partnership thing going on there.

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Quote: "Just because someone makes music videos doesn't mean they'll be no good at other things."


Quote: "For example Chris Cunningham ... worked on films like Judge Dredd (which is great, in a cheesy sort of way) and Alien 3. I know he wasn't involved in writing (can't remember what he actually did but it was something technical I think) but still..."


My point is they should not have hired two music video directors to WRITE the film. Your point that a great (fully agree mate) music video director was once involved in two films is completely irrelevant. He didn't write them did he? And that's the point. Writing is something that should be left to writers.

I'm sure a lot of people in the industry have held a number of positions. Maybe if Chris Cunningham took his hand to Alien vs Predator it would be have turned out good actually, but hiring two hacks to write it? Well we all see how it turned out.

It makes me feel better to consider AVP and AVP2 non cannonical lol

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Yeah, Rubber Johnny is great, it's just such a vivid statement, although I've no idea what the statement is (maybe how the past generation view us as disabled rejects of society with no direct means of communication). Anyhoo I really like the eggy bits at the end, it's just SPLAT! - your not sure what your looking at but it's familiar .

It's not just freaky video though, I actually like Aphex Twins music, even though I tend to hate that style - it's like it has a rougher edge to it - the desired result is different to other techno artists, Aphex Twin wants to see you twitch.

But getting closer to the topic, I'm surprised really that he had a part in Alien3, a more psychological movie maybe I would expect that - he has a distinct style that just doesn't gel with Aliens and Predators.

It's not that it can't work, I just don't think the circumstances were right.

If anyone has seen The Cell, well that's directed by Tarsem Singh and stars Jen Lopez. It's a thriller, about a serial killer who ends up in a coma, with the location of his victim unknown - so Lopez has to enter his nightmare... sound like crud, but it's actually an incredible film because of the style of it. When in the nightmare 'world', it's like a crazy NiN or Tool video - grotesque contorted people, freaks, really messed up camera work. It's like a really good music video - but it makes the film, the camera work and atmosphere is the star of that film. Well worth checking out if you enjoy being yanked out of normality now and again.


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Posted: 28th Oct 2009 16:45
And it has Jaylo in it with her ghetto booty. Mmmm mmm.

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