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Geek Culture / Stick with XP, or upgrade to Windows 7

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Fallout
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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 19:02 Edited at: 4th Nov 2009 19:07
I am upgrading my PC. I can buy an OEM Window 7 Professional at the same time as my H/W for £100. Alternatively, I can install the XP Professional from the system I am breaking apart.

As someone who is completely indifferent to new exciting icons and features (i.e. the new Windows 7 stuff doesnt excite me), is it worth the £100 that I don't want to spend? Is sticking with XP a bad move for the long term? Will software start dropping support for XP?

Also, apparently OS licenses are for specific PCs, and not transferable. Does anyone know if there is some cunning system during activation of XP that will detect I'm using a new CPU with my OS and block me from activiating it?

Cheers for your help chaps!

Edit: Googling shows that significant hardware changes will force me to reactivate my XP, but I can't find out whether that means it'll refuse reactivation.

Gunn3r
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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 19:10
I would assume that since Microsoft is dropping support for XP, others companies will slowly begin dropping support as well. I think long term, 7 would be a better purchase.

Fallout
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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 19:13 Edited at: 4th Nov 2009 19:13
I think you're right. It's just painful when the hardware is costing me £300, and the OS is £100 on top. It seems a little steep!

hyrichter
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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 19:29
If you're getting Windows 7 Pro, the GO FOR IT! With Windows 7 pro, you can download Windows XP mode, which gives you a fully functional Windows XP inside a virtual machine. I just installed it, and it works great for the one program I have that doesn't work with 7.

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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 19:47
If you're going to be buying all new hardware, there's really no reason not to upgrade to 7. Yes, XP was compact and zippy and had few compatibility issues, but pretty much any hardware setup today has at least a dual core and 100+ GB hard drive, and 7 has never failed to run a program for me, even those that have come up with warnings beforehand that it may not be compatible. Also, most of my programs and drivers have since come out with updates to specifically make them compatible with 7.

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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 20:09 Edited at: 4th Nov 2009 20:15
I have used the RC version of windows 7 for some time now. I have came accross very few problems.

I Dont think the pro version is worth it - XP mode does not support graphics cards.

You can download a virtual machine from microsoft anyway and install the version of XP you own within windows 7, if you wanted too. When I first installed the beta of windows 7, i did it on a virtual machine on my XP operating system but without graphics card support it is very limited.

The other 2 advantages of professional are
1 "Domain Join" - which is for company networks and of little or no use in the home.

2 data recovery and backup many (some free) third pary software does this and I find automatic backups a pain, they always do it when you are about to get that great headshot in counterstrike.

you are best to get windows 7 though but the home version would do. If you are getting a new graphics card XP will not do it justice. Windows 7 is direct X 11, XP is direct x 9. That with all the other minor goodies including better support for dual and quad processors, 64 bit (means more memory available to you) and performance a wee bit beter than vista make it worth while.

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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 20:33
Good advice guys, especially Jammy. I didn't consider the DirectX part of the equation. I guess I will go for Windows7 then. It was actually the XP mode that made me prompt for pro, but now I'm wondering how much of a big deal that is. Either way, the difference is £30, so it might be worth it just to play safe.

Thanks chaps. Very helpful!

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Posted: 4th Nov 2009 20:35
It's a good price, though it's a waste if you don't need to spend it. I am using Windows 7 RC and have for a little while - as a student I can get the proper version for £30 - so for me personally, I'd be willing to get the next Windows - as A: my alternative is Vista (installed on my other partition)- whilst I've not had any problems, 7 performs a whole lot better. B: Windows XP - which isn't viable as I'd have to pay for it anyway and I'd prefer 7.

In the long run, I'd suggest that Windows 7 would be worth it - XP has support dropped and it is possible that it is Windows 7 (rather than Vista) that'll out-date XP. In terms of visuals, they don't bother me so much and Visuals are a must, Windows Blinds works with XP, Vista and 7, and emulate all 3 OS's. Also - for a couple of weeks I had the Windows Classic style on, because I was in the mood for it - having a Windows 98 PC as my first computer, I've been too accustomed to that style. The way everything is layout out I think is more sensible, but for the difference of spending £0 and £100 isn't going to make Windows 7 worth you money - it is quite stable and is supposed to handle new technology better and there are improvements - things that make it less awkward and on the game/game dev side of things you can use DirectX 10 and 11 (assuming you have compatible cards)

As much as I love using Windows 7 RC, if faced with the choice: XP Pro for Free or Windows 7 Pro for £100, I might go for XP Pro and choose to upgrade to Windows 7 when it is convenient for me to do so. You'll probably need to upgrade sometime.

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Posted: 5th Nov 2009 17:32 Edited at: 5th Nov 2009 17:33
Quote: "Edit: Googling shows that significant hardware changes will force me to reactivate my XP, but I can't find out whether that means it'll refuse reactivation. "


You don't really need to worry about that. Worst case, it will tell you that license is already in use. Then you just need to do the phone call option. It's painful trying to type in or say all the groups of 6 numbers, but once you do one of three things will happen.

1) It will activate and give you more numbers to type in.
2) It won't activate, and it will forward you to a real person (you will have been talking to a robot all this time)
3) It won't activate and hang up on you. In which case, call back, put in all 0s for the number, and it will get confused and send you to a real person.

Once you've got the real person on the phone, explain that you had to make significant hardware changes but it's still the same computer you were running it on before, just reinstalling. Then they'll give you a bunch of groups of 6 digit numbers to activate, and if that doesn't work they'll just give you a whole new product key.

They're fairly lenient about it. Once I tried to reinstall XP Pro on my girlfriend's desktop, and it kept refusing the OEM key (I had an OEM disc). I called them up and went through that whole procedure and they ended up giving me a whole new key. It was only later that I realized that it was an XP Home sticker, not Pro. I'm sure getting a free upgrade is a rare case, but it's a pretty good indication of how far they'll go if you spend enough time on the phone and are polite & reasonable about it. We used to have to do this all the time when I fixed PCs at Circuit City.

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