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Neuro Fuzzy
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It's official, H2O has been discovered (officially) on the (official) moon.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g_WHHFPrQjvdnQhVIvx5o9a-v66AD9BV10180

Errm, there wasn't a huge amount of doubt that there was water on the moon, but it's still a cool discovery. Here's a quote that gives a good time line of these events.
Quote: "As for unmanned exploration, previous missions had detected the presence of hydrogen in lunar craters near the moon's poles, possible evidence of ice. In September, scientists reported finding tiny amounts of water in the lunar soil all over the moon's surface.

But it was NASA's Oct. 9 mission involving the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, LCROSS, that provided the stunning confirmation announced Friday — water, in the forms of ice and vapor.

"Rather than a dead and unchanging world, it could in fact be a very dynamic and interesting one," said Greg Delory of the University of California, Berkeley, who was not involved in the mission, led by NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif."


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Well, duh. Where do you think Ian's moon base gets its water from? It would look way too suspicious if rockets full of water kept landing there.

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Quote: "Well, duh. Where do you think Ian's moon base gets its water from? It would look way too suspicious if rockets full of water kept landing there."

Indeed, lol

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Posted: 14th Nov 2009 10:01 Edited at: 14th Nov 2009 10:02
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If sci-fi shows have taught us anything it's never drink the water on any new planets you visit.

I really hope they do make a Moon Base instead of focusing on Mars... they need to prove they can make a Moon Base before they begin to attempt one on Mars.

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Quote: "Well, duh. Where do you think Ian's moon base gets its water from? It would look way too suspicious if rockets full of water kept landing there."

I always thought he used a strategically placed hose.

Anyway, that's cool news!

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Quote: "on the (official) moon."


You mean there's more than one Moon and the rest are false, they kept that one quite.

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Didn't they find this by setting off explosions? Don't explosions usually make small amounts water vapour? (H+O+O = H20... I dropped science, correct me if wrong)

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Great, how soon till we start seeing bottled Moon-water in our local supermarkets? I will pay top dollar!

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Posted: 14th Nov 2009 12:15
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Quote: "You mean there's more than one Moon and the rest are false, they kept that one quite."


Well if you count Cruithne, then yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3753_Cruithne

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This is actually pretty good news. It'll be interesting how things will turn out now when they've discovered such amount of water on the moon.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2009 15:00 Edited at: 14th Nov 2009 15:07
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Quote: "Didn't they find this by setting off explosions? Don't explosions usually make small amounts water vapour? (H+O+O = H20... I dropped science, correct me if wrong)
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I'd sleep soundly in the knowledge that the worlds best scientists probably factored this into their claims.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2009 15:37 Edited at: 14th Nov 2009 15:39
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Quote: "Didn't they find this by setting off explosions? Don't explosions usually make small amounts water vapour? (H+O+O = H20... I dropped science, correct me if wrong)"


Is it me, or in water aren't there 2 Hydrogen atoms in H20 (the 2 should be subscript) and only one Oxygen. So H + O + O = HO2 which is something called Hydroperoxyl which I have never heard of. Sounds quite nasty though, so I hope the scientists haven't got mixed up :S

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Quote: "If sci-fi shows have taught us anything it's never drink the water on any new planets you visit."


Yep, that's what I always thought after watching sci-fi shows.

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Damn. If NASA is going to be using my water too, I guess I'll need to institute a hose-pipe ban.

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Posted: 14th Nov 2009 16:31 Edited at: 14th Nov 2009 16:32
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Quote: "Damn. If NASA is going to be using my water too, I guess I'll need to institute a hose-pipe ban."

lol


Quote: "Didn't they find this by setting off explosions? Don't explosions usually make small amounts water vapour? (H+O+O = H20... I dropped science, correct me if wrong)"

yeah, a lot of combustion reactions produce water. Butane's (C4H10) chemical reaction looks like this:
C4H10 + O2 --> CO2 + H2O (+ heat) (i'm in AP chem XD)
(unbalanced)

Still, they didn't use an explosion, they used a crash.
Quote: "Confirmation came from data churned up by two NASA spacecraft that intentionally slammed into a lunar crater last month."

Any water that was created (which would be very little if any) would have had to have come from an equal amount of oxygen and explosive, carried there by the probe. Otherwise, that would mean that there were significant amounts of oxygen and explosives on the moon (which i guess would be even more exciting).

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But where's the cheese!?

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Quote: "But where's the cheese!?"

That's where the water comes from - have you ever noticed how some cheeses get sweaty if you leave them out of the fridge?

Quote: "I really hope they do make a Moon Base instead of focusing on Mars... they need to prove they can make a Moon Base before they begin to attempt one on Mars."

No. We should just stick to this planet. Maybe the human race can expand, but not until we've learnt not to pollute and destroy everything...

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Quote: "No. We should just stick to this planet. Maybe the human race can expand, but not until we've learnt not to pollute and destroy everything..."

Oh, rubbish. So what if we pollute and destroy stuff? If we expand, we can just... move on.

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agree with Demons breathXD whats the point of putting effort into making a moon base, or a moon colony O.o if we just will destroy it?=P we should handle out problems here first.


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Quote: "whats the point of putting effort into making a moon base, or a moon colony O.o if we just will destroy it?=P we should handle out problems here first."


But that defeats the purpose! If we can solve problems which could force our species into extinction--such as global warming, asteroid impacts, etc.--then what is the point of expanding onto planets that could present us with even more natural threats than we already face?

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That sounds like the plot of Micheal Bays next block buster..


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I don't think finding water on the moon is any reason to establish a colony there. I'd like to see us head to Mars. Maybe setting up a science lab on the moon would be beneficial, but then again, we have the ISS.

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Now do i still sound crazy suggesting one day there will be whales on the moon ? or already are ?

Quote: "Maybe setting up a science lab on the moon would be beneficial, but then again, we have the ISS."


A base on the moon will happen for sure, not saying in the near future or in my lifetime but eventually i think they will set up a base on the moon, even if not for science, tourism and hotels. I'm sure its everyone's dream to visit the moon, see what its like.
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Quote: "I don't think finding water on the moon is any reason to establish a colony there. I'd like to see us head to Mars. Maybe setting up a science lab on the moon would be beneficial, but then again, we have the ISS."


It would be ridiculous to go to Mars before we have settled on the moon.

You wouldn't try and travel to the sumit of Mount Everest if you hadn't yet mastered the climbing of stairs. And, although that example may seem extreme, the difference in terms of logistics, cost and engineering issues in going to the moon and going to Mars are extreme.

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Still waiting for that cheese discovery.

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Quote: "Still waiting for that cheese discovery."

Huh! Haven't you been paying attention to the conspiracy theories lately? Of course if anyone found cheese on the moon (highly likely), they would keep quiet about it. They'll reveal it in due time when they have planned out how to sell it to the public, literally. People would pay a lot for moon-cheese. I know I would.

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Quote: "Astronaut Buzz Aldrin, who in 1969 made his historic Apollo 11 moonwalk with Neil Armstrong, was pleased to hear the latest discovery, but still believes the U.S. should focus on colonizing Mars. "


Source

If Buzz Aldrin, the great American who was the second man to step on the moon right after his buddy Armstrong did during the Apollo 11 mission, said the above, then that's good enough for me. The guy's knowledge and resume is beyond mine, and yours.

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We can't just kick off to mars without a testing ground first. That testing ground is the moon. Making a moon base offers benefits, like sending parts for a space ship up to the moon one at a time, then assembling and launching the spaceship there (less gravity to escape).


...besides that it's cool! Da moon!

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I agree with Neuro Fuzzy. Plus if they do actually put a base on the Moon the Sci-Fi channel would make a new version of Space 1999 just like they did with Battlestar Galactica.



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Neuro Fuzzy is right on that... Launching from the moon is probably a lot more efficient and cost effective once you have everything in place.

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This I did not think about. Good point.

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Water on the Moon! If there is water in that plain rock, well, that should tell us that there must be water in almost each and every planet

If you think about that, the big new would be "Beer on the Moon!" lol

In my opinion, time to go to Mars
But getting there in a consistent way, and not just a weekend trip to the Moon, like we did in the past. That probably could mean to settle first on the Moon, okay, but always keeping Mars in target.

It is about time to get there, do we need another century? Whole world economy should focus on that. It is the best objective to spend our resources. This way there would be no more crisis, it would be like discovering a new America.

Oh well, I must have been spending too much time on my spaceship...
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Quote: "Whole world economy should focus on that. It is the best objective to spend our resources."

Yeah! Screw world hunger, famines and droughts and the like, aid relief, helping people whose lives have been destroyed by natural disaster, wars and disease - we should be pumping every single penny we have into playing spaceman.


Quote: "This way there would be no more crisis, it would be like discovering a new America."

Which crises would it solve? Also why like discovering a new America?

Quote: "Beer on the Moon!"

Now THAT I would love. I would have bought some of the previous suggestions (moon cheese etc.) but Moon Beer? That'd be amazing.

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To all of you that think Mars would be better to put a base on than the Moon:

Do you guys really think it's a good idea to test unproven methods of establishing a base on a planet thats 35 million miles away that'll take astronauts a year just to get there? One reason why we should do it closer to home is obvious. If something horribly goes wrong with any of the unproven methods those astronauts are dead since any rescue effort would take 2 years to bring them back home.

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Did you notice on the interview he seemed to be holding back something. He hinted slightly that it wasnt just water they found.

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I suppose this tangates to far off topic for here.

I guess you cant have too much faith in man.

Quote: "Ehh ill be dead before the world ends, so ill take the high ground.
"Its not my problem.""


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Quote: "Did you notice on the interview he seemed to be holding back something. He hinted slightly that it wasnt just water they found. "


Suuuuure...

There were 2 people involved in writing the article and 6 different people quoted. "He" narrows it down to 7 people. If you're talking about this:

Quote: "Mission scientists said it would take more time to tease out what else was kicked up in the moon dust."


They're probably just analyzing and checking results that could mean the presence of other boring, not exciting chemicals (like the stuff rocks and moon dust is made out of.)

Also, laz, your outlook of war n humanity is abysmally dim.

Quote: "The world wont end with a scream or a whimper, itll end along with morality at the hands of greed and injustice. "


Woah, that sentence sounds powerful, but can i ask you how those words have any validity in this world today?


Anyways, i think we should go in to space just because it's cool. Seriously, the moon! How cool is that? Mars is even cooler, but it's not quite practical yet, so in preparation for mars... Lets go to the moon!!!!!!

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Yeah, i have my days Neuro

But its tha moon!

on a related note

http://www.infoniac.com/hi-tech/nasa-strike-moon-with-double-sledgehammer.html

Forgot about this. The sent impact drones to the north/south poles to find the water.


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Water on the moon? That's not all they found!







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Water on the moon? That's not all they found!





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Im not sure if it has been said cause its pritty obvious, but quite alot of planets and moons have water on them. Heres the KEY factor. The water must be in liquid form. These planets and moons have water on them as far as i know:

Mercury,
Earth,
Moon,
Mars,
Io,
Ganymede,
Europa,
Callisto,
Saturn,
Neptune (of course),
Pluto,
Sedna.

Of these which i am cirtain have water in neither gas or solid but in liquid:

Earth

And that goes for most of the universe as a matter of fact.

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Here's the thing; does it HAVE to be water? Hydrogen is the most abundant thing in the universe, and oxygen might be pretty common. (though I don't know) I'm sure if the conditions were right, creatures could live on something else as long as it was pretty similar in structure and composition. Though again, I just don't know.

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I must say that puny picture doesnt convince me that there is water on the moon.

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There's gonna be water just about anywhere really; the sun and just about every other star's a big exploding ball of hydrogen, which is the most abundant thing in the universe theoretically. Just add oxygen. It's whether that water's the right temperature that matters too, and if there's enough sources of useful matter. If it all lines up and a stable ecosystem evolves from a few self-replicating structures that eventually become bacteria, etc. that's when it all gets exciting.

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Water on the moon? That's not all they found!


He didn't die - he just moved...

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Lol

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Quote: "He didn't die - he just moved..."


You mean went back home?...



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Water on the moon? Oh My God!

What's next, a large amount of debris orbiting Saturn?

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I was *this* close to photoshopping that image. *This* close...


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