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Geek Culture / Who here has seen 2012?

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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 22:05 Edited at: 18th Nov 2009 22:06
Went to see the movie last night with some friends. The CGI was quite impressive but some parts of the film were ridiculous. (spoiler)


But it was a good movie overall and it's worth seeing. Really makes you hope that this doesn't actually happen in 2012.
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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 22:09 Edited at: 18th Nov 2009 22:09
The CGI was incredible. Although, I found many parts of the film predictable.


SPOILERS!


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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 22:11
Doesn't appeal to me...


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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 22:16 Edited at: 18th Nov 2009 23:13


It was okay. Three hours of the same stuff for the most part IMO. Barely escape destruction in a plane...
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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 22:33 Edited at: 18th Nov 2009 23:46
Didn't see it yet, although my friend saw it and said...


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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 23:09 Edited at: 18th Nov 2009 23:10
@puppy of kosh - Thanks for the spoiler. Use code tags, not quote tags. Am I the only one who reviews my posts after posting?


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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 23:14
AGH. I can't believe I did that. Sorry.
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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 23:53
Meh, visual effects were amazing but generally I thought it was a rather average movie. Probably because I myself laugh at the idiots who believe in the stupid 2012 theory.

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Posted: 18th Nov 2009 23:57
Quote: "I myself laugh at the idiots who believe in the stupid 2012 theory."

Hmm... I guess I'm an idiot

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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 00:02
A fool, not an idiot. But close.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 00:12
Seriously, anyone who believes this crap has got to be the most gullible person on the face of the earth.

Don't you think that the Mayan's thought they would resume writing the calendar once the time is right? I mean seriously, who want's to describe hundreds of years in detail.

Other people follow different calendars, why would the Mayan one be the one that determines the fate of the earth? Look at Y2K, people thought it would be the end of the world but it wasn't.

People have been trying to predict the end of time since the beginning of time.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 00:15
Looks good, but I am getting really tired of sci-fi movies having a religious twist on them..they try and hide it, but they do it very badly

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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 06:14
I fell asleep through the first 20 minutes. A cleaning person woke me up. :S

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Posted: 19th Nov 2009 19:48 Edited at: 19th Nov 2009 19:49
Great CGI, average story, dull characters. Entertainment nonetheless at the end of the day.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 10:49
My parents saw it and they both loved the special effects.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 13:18
Quote: "Look at Y2K, people thought it would be the end of the world but it wasn't."


The Y2K bug has nothing to do with any ancient and mysterious culture predicting literally the end of days.

I do wonder; will machines fall on 1st Jan, 2236, when any machines using a byte to count years past 1980 will have a rollover?

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 13:46 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 14:00
You don't need to worry about spoilers, the movie stars John Cusack and countless 'Where have I seen them before?' actors staring at certain doom. Chances are you've seen this movie before.

Normal looking average guy for the audience to relate to. CHECK
Young daughter who gets scared. CHECK
Son who has issues with father. CHECK
Hot ex-wife. CHECK
Slightly dreary 'new husband'.CHECK
Little doggie. CHECK
1 Stressed out good guy government dude.CHECK
1 Stressed out bad guy government dude.CHECK
1 Hot government chick for winner of moral battle.CHECK
Impending doom x 20.CHECK

The only difficult decision they had making that movie was who to cast as Mr.Normal? Cusack, Cruise, Smith, or Broderick?. The president and good government guy are both black, so Smith is out already. Cruise is too expensive and wouldn't get enough face time, so he's out. Broderick looks too innocent to have an ex-wife or kids, so he's out. Leaves Cusack.
It is cool to see Woody Harrelson get work these days, he's one of those actors who can be entertaining, even in a horrible movie.

@Ferret:
Computers don't use bytes to count years, in fact they don't count years - they use a variable to signify the day number, starting from January 0!, 1900 in the case of Excel. Then, todays date for instance is 40137, decimals after that represent the time. So if this number is a 4-byte integer, it can go up to 65535 or June 4th 2079. All that is needed though, is for variables like that to use a bigger ranged variable type, more bits=exponential range growth. For every bit added, the range doubles exponentially - so with say, 8-byte integers would go up to 1048560, or Nov 9th 4770.


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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 16:43 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 16:43
Quote: "Normal looking average guy for the audience to relate to. CHECK
Young daughter who gets scared. CHECK
Son who has issues with father. CHECK
Hot ex-wife. CHECK
Slightly dreary 'new husband'.CHECK
Little doggie. CHECK
1 Stressed out good guy government dude.CHECK
1 Stressed out bad guy government dude.CHECK
1 Hot government chick for winner of moral battle.CHECK
Impending doom x 20.CHECK"
Using this formula, I shall create a scenario for Nex's prediction...maybe I could write a script and send it to Hollywood?


Now, you see, there's Geoff, he's a technician who's having money trouble, he's a little rugged, but he works hard and goes to the bar in the evening and meets some people, but after he and his wife split up - he's felt quite lonely, but his dog pays him company and he gets time to bond with his daughter. She's a little sweet heart. He's at work and he notices that when doing some programming that the number of bytes required for there to be a rollover actually means an issue when it comes to the year 2236. It is 20th November 2235 and Geoff know's there's a problem. He talks to his friend, who at first laughs it off then starts talking about Y2k, it was something people were afraid of because it meant all of the computers would stop working and chaos would ensure, yet, it turned out to only be a myth. This frightens Geoff because he sees that people only had the date wrong. He tries to warn people and even phones the government, but they're too ignorant to realise. Afterwards, the media catch wind and he becomes a laughing stock.

Trouble as it is, he forgets to pick up his daughter from school. His ex-wife - a bit of eye-candy for the viewers, lectures him, but her new boy-friend can't help get a word in, to make him look bad, but to also make fun over his media reputation. He jokes about threatening to talking to child services. The daughter doesn't really care because she loves her daddy. The ex-wife takes her boyfriends side and thinks Geoff is drinking too much and argues with him that he needs to get his gear together (so to speak)

It becomes new year...guess what? Geoff was right and all communication fails. He and his daughter were watching TV and it just cut out. They go outside to grab the newspaper from the door step as something to read. And he sees a plane dropping out of his sky. His daughter screams and is frightened. They take shelter to avoid the blast. Obviously they can't stay and thus seek to visit their the girl's mother. But that part of the city is subject to a lot of fires and the police have blocked the area off. Everybody was evacuated and the ex-wife went to visit her mother in-law. Geoff obviously couldn't go there, because it'd be lecture after lecture, so he decides to go to his Dad's, now it's not a desirable choice - his Dad loves him, but his father always wanted him to study and go into law so that he'd be a lot more successful. Geoff doesn't make much money - he wish he had a better job, but computers were always his thing. This left them to fall out. But a father is a father and always willing to take in a son at a time of need.

Of course, his father gives him a little trouble, but he's happy to have him none the less. After a bit of father-son bonding. 2 CIA agents knock on the door and ask, "Are you Geoff McGeoff the Programmer who called the white house over a month ago?" He's taken away to be questioned. The busiest cities are in severe danger, there's chaos, violent, looting etc. the armed forces are trying to calm them. However - the authorities remain peaceful. It isn't a method that's working, one person suggests to the president that he gives the military permission to open fire on civilians. Geoff has a better idea - although a simply techie, he somehow knows more than he ought to...as a hobbiest and he thinks he can fix it. But all he needs is time. The "we don't have time, how can we trust him? We need to act now" scenario ensues. The president gives in. People die. Geoff isn't allowed access to the government mainframe to help fix the problem, so a hot-sexy chick from the FBI helps him - Geoff succeeds...they get into a relationship. Geoff is a hero. And the government loses power and is no longer in office for making a stupid decision. Geoff saves the day!


It'd be a techie's wet dream. Ordinary tech guy saves the world. So...VanB, Nex, shall we give Hollywood a call? I know we're a couple of centuries too early, but the plot IS DYNAMITE wouldn't you agree?

It'd probably sell. So, who here would see our movie?

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 16:47 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 16:48
Well, you've also got the Unix Epoch rollover in 2036(?) which would make everything using Unix Time think that it's 190something. In a framerate independant system, this would be equivalent to a plane (as in your example) moving backwards very slowly... I think. Which probably WOULD confuse them.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 16:51
I have to agree with most people here. I've seen this disaster movie many times before, but they put some nice, new visuals in it.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 17:28
2036...well...<30 years time we could be filthy rich! Filthy rich I say.

And...nobody will buy any Unix based systems from thereon, so do you think MS will help fund the production of such a film?

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 17:48
Well, seeing as most gear runs on Unix timestamps, I think it unlikely that much MS gear would survive either.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 18:04 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 18:05
Curses! Well, obviously, I need myself a researcher.

Though seriously, I might one day take a formula for a Hollywood film and write a script for it and send it in. As our lecture was saying this week - if you're writing original pieces and you are a good writer, then the chances are you won't sell. Kitsch, however, does. If people have seen it before people tend to enjoy it - as it has plenty of recognizable qualities. It kind of coincides with the seminar we had from 2 writers from "That Mitchell and Webb Look", they essentially opened up with, "we don't write so that it is an art. There is a way we have to write and it's what pleases the audience." Yet, that show is a fantastic piece of comedy.

I suppose it kind of makes me sad really (I love originality), what's even worse, he's sent us off to research Mills and Boon...the most cliched and horribly written books (one reason being they give out 3 books a year contracts), but the Mills and Boon business model is very successful.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 20:05
Thank you guys for coding the spoilers, still want to go see it myself

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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 00:22
War of the Worlds, minus aliens, plus super apocalyptic CGI, minus any real hope of survival...

Meh, Steven Spielberg's getting predictable.


I'm guessing it was for people who know nothing about electromagnetic waves or particle physics though.

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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 06:19
Personally; I think the Mayans just got bored of the whole Calendar thing, and moved onto something else...

Maybe they thought the world was going to end well before 2012, and just figured they went far enough?

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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 06:24
I'm sure the Mayans saw it like this:

"Look, we've got up until 2012AD sorted..."
"AD?"
"...oh right...yes, well if you live long enough, you'll know what I meant."
"Okay."
"But is there a point going on? We've got it sussed for AAGGESS!"
"Well, there's no rush, we can finish the calender at a later date."
"Fancy a beer?"
"Sure."

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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 22:59
Genius...

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Posted: 26th Nov 2009 20:33
It's funny how the Mayans can predict the end of the world, but couldn't even see the end of their own race

Still, I thought the movie was awesome. The main actor sucked, the story was just ridiculous, the science was inaccurate, but damn, it was fun to watch the world get torn apart

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Posted: 26th Nov 2009 20:42
The Mayans didn't never predicted the end of the world -_-

The long count calendar they used shows a specific cycle will end in 2012, and a new one will start (so a repeated event). Cycles ended and restarted several times during Mayan civilization without any doomsday events or predictions.

The 2012 thing has simply been played up to make money: as per this film

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Posted: 26th Nov 2009 20:48
Quote: "The Mayans didn't never predicted the end of the world -_-"


Perhaps my sarcasm wasn't showing enough, but it's good to get that out in the open.

It doesn't take a PhD to see that people are taking the whole phenomenon a bit too seriously. I've even heard that the black holes formed at the LHC will only get big enough to swallow the Earth by 2012, lol.

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