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Agent Dink
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So yeah, about 2 weeks ago my Xbox goes kaput, lame. Not a huge deal though as it was given to me about 2 years ago, was a first generation console and has been perfect til just recently. So I go to Gamestop fully aware that Borderlands is out and Modern Warfare 2 is coming out that night... I break down and buy a used Xbox. I'm all happy! Go home fire up some Halo 3 frag / be fragged by my buddies.

This is all great, get MW2 a few days later, been playing that for about a week. Until yesterday. Boom. 2 red rings. Nooooooo. So today after work I take the used console back under warranty as it won't run any game for more than a few minutes without RROD'ing again. I bring home my 'new' used xbox. Plug it in, turn it on, pop MW2 in and sign into my gamer profile.

Nope, it won't have it. Error shows up and tells me that I'm playing on a banned console... AWESOME. So I'm stuck without an Xbox until after work tomorrow when I can exchange it again. I really hope that it doesn't flag my gamer profile or my hard drive as being in a hacked / banned system. Can anyone offer any insight on that?

On the bright side I picked up Super Mario Bros Wii today when I got the other Xbox. It's awesome! Just trying to screw your friends over is enough to keep the game fun. I love how classic the game feels. It's like a 3d version of Super Mario World on the SNES.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 06:59 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 07:04
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Moral of this story - don't buy a used Xbox. Especially right now, with all the banned consoles...the new ones are cheap enough these days.

Quote: " I really hope that it doesn't flag my gamer profile or my hard drive as being in a hacked / banned system. Can anyone offer any insight on that?"


Read this article:

http://www.animenews.biz/microsoft-disables-hard-drives-on-banned-consoles-2418/

Hope that helps!
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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 09:46 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 09:56
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Wow... this makes me wonder after reading that legit XB360s are also being banned...

What happens if you buy a brand new system and within a short time of having it the thing also gets banned?

In any case, I bet there'll be a lot of lawsuits before their customer service guys realize that whatever they're using to find modded consoles isn't as "foolproof" as they claim...

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Well I'm glad my HD isn't ruined. I'm mad that Gamestop didn't check the console on Live. You'd think that the biggest video game store and such a well-reputable company that spans the US would test for something like this before selling a refurbished Xbox. And for me to be going in for my 3rd Xbox is just kinda sad.

I'm gonna throw a fit tonight and try to get something for free

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Quote: "Wow... this makes me wonder after reading that legit XB360s are also being banned..."


It wasn't a legit 360. He bought it used and GameStop didn't do their homework and first check the console. This doesn't prove that legit 360s are getting banned.


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The consoles I was talking about were mentioned in the article linked. Apparently those XB360s are legit, but they got banned anyway.

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Robert F
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I don't want to start a console war or anything and nobody can say that I can't say something before I have played it because I have played on 360's(owned for 3 years) and I have played on PS3's but I would say to officially move on to Sony. I have had 3 Xbox's and 2 in the last year. Plus after paying a ton for Xbox Live I officially thought it was stupid and Sony's free is much better, that and built in wifi and blu ray.
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Agreed. I used to own an Xbox 360, but then I bought a Playstation 3 and it was much better. Free internet, integrated wireless and Blu Ray, you can't beat it for the price.

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Robert F
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Quote: "Agreed. I used to own an Xbox 360, but then I bought a Playstation 3 and it was much better. Free internet, integrated wireless and Blu Ray, you can't beat it for the price."


I think thats what im probably going to do. Anyway, all I can say to you Agent Dink is get used to it. That's what happens with Xbox's.
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Quote: "Agreed. I used to own an Xbox 360, but then I bought a Playstation 3 and it was much better. Free internet, integrated wireless and Blu Ray, you can't beat it for the price.
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Let me say first that I love Microsoft and hate Sony. However, I would be stupid not to realize that Microsoft needs to do something to stay on par with the PS3, especially now that the PS3 has Netflix. Maybe project Natal will be it. Who knows?
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Maybe I'm lucky, but I've had my xbox for 3 years now and I only got RROD once (about 1 year ago) and it was still under warranty so I got it repaired and sent back to me in under 2 weeks... Just thought I let ya'll know

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Quote: "Maybe I'm lucky, but I've had my xbox for 3 years now and I only got RROD once (about 1 year ago) and it was still under warranty so I got it repaired and sent back to me in under 2 weeks... Just thought I let ya'll know "


Once is still a problem with me really. How many people do you know that say "oh, my flatscreen has only broke once", let alone how many people say "my ps3 has only broken once"
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The only problems with a move from 360 to PS3 are the exclusive games including most of the games in XBLA, some of the DLCs, Indie games in XBLA - so it'd be harder to support the console indie games industry and some of the features of XBLA you don't get with PSN. Otherwise, I would have paid the extra cash for a PS3.


It's clear the 360 has its vantage points. I suppose it boils down to sacrificing games for piece of mind or sacrificing piece of mind for games.

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 22:42 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 22:42
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Quote: "Once is still a problem with me really. How many people do you know that say "oh, my flatscreen has only broke once", let alone how many people say "my ps3 has only broken once""

True, but when I got it, it cost me $400 instead of $600 for a PS3. So I think the saving of $200 for 2 weeks without my xbox is pretty good

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 22:49 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 22:50
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I pick up a Xbox 360 Elite Black Friday. Can't wait! Then I get a 24" HD TV for Christmas because my old tube TV just started getting this odd yellow tint to it. Then, come spring time, I'll be programming for the 360 .

PS: Sorry to hear about your Xbox woes. Hopefully that BS doesn't happen to me. I'll be getting an extra warrenty on mine of they offer it. I have heard too many horror stories.

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Quote: "I pick up a Xbox 360 Elite Black Friday. Can't wait! Then I get a 24" HD TV for Christmas because my old tube TV just started getting this odd yellow tint to it. Then, come spring time, I'll be programming for the 360 .

PS: Sorry to hear about your Xbox woes. Hopefully that BS doesn't happen to me. I'll be getting an extra warrenty on mine of they offer it. I have heard too many horror stories."


lol, good idea. You will probably need it.
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0.04%

The actual failure rate of the Xbox 360.

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Pics statistics or it didn't happen.

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In a study involving 10000 people, only 4 had their Xbox 360s rrod on them.

http://microsoft.getthefacts.com/xbox360

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Quote: "In an interview with 10000 people, only 4 had their Xbox 360s rrod on them."


Yeah, when was this.. 2 months after it came out. Doesn't matter anyway, I have had 3 boxes and all of them are messed up.
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Quote: "Yeah, when was this.. 2 months after it came out."


No actually, it's a fairly recent study.

Quote: "I have had 3 boxes and all of them are messed up."


Alright, so just because YOU have had trouble with them, you assume all Xbox's are unreliable?

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Posted: 20th Nov 2009 23:51 Edited at: 20th Nov 2009 23:52
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Quote: " I have had 3 boxes and all of them are messed up. "


Quote: "Can anyone offer any insight on that? "


Yeah, get a PS3 and you'll never have any of those problems again.

Quote: "Alright, so just because YOU have had trouble with them, you assume all Xbox's are unreliable?"


Almost everyone I know that's bought an Xbox in the past tells me theirs doesn't work anymore. I've had the same Playstation 2 for over 8 years. Just hooked it up a few days ago to play Socom 2 (which isn't compatible with my PS3), and it still works great. IMO Bill Gates should stick to PowerPoint, and leave gaming consoles to Sony.

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Maybe Sony should stick to making no money, instead of still making no money as well as making video game consoles.

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Oh great...the console war.

Simple.
Xbox 360. Great XBox 360 exclusive titles. Access to a huge number of titles on XBLA.
PS3. Typically more reliable. Free Multiplayer. Fewer Exclusive Titles.

A dead 360 isn't the end of the world. Full cover isn't expensive (I paid £30 for 3 years)and RROD'd consoles can be fixed/replaced by MS.

The user decides for themselves which they'd prefer. Easy peasy. I did.

MS shouldn't stop developing consoles. Competition helps keep a market innovative and considering Nintendo decided not to compete and marketed themselves differently, we wouldn't have the XBLA nor the capability of porting indie games onto a console fluidly without a devkit.

Up until recently, the market wouldn't have had a cheaper alternative...no doubt in Sony's competition with Microsoft, the PS3's price was brought down so drastically and why the PS3 slim exists.

For a little more that the original price of the PS3 (£400) you can buy yourself a XBox 360 Premium (£170) and a PS3 Slim (£250) - totalling at £430. And you'd get the best of both worlds.


The reason I didn't buy a PS3 was 360 exclusivity and XBLA.

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Quote: "Plus after paying a ton for Xbox Live I officially thought it was stupid and Sony's free is much better"


Sony just announced they're exploring ways to charge subscriptions for the PSN. This argument will be moot.


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Hmm, it seems your network card sucks, are you sure it isn't Sony brand?

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Are you kidding, if I could post the screenshot I should have been able to access the site had it been a network card issue. More likely the useless British ISP infrastructure is crumbling as ever.

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Quote: "Sony just announced they're exploring ways to charge subscriptions for the PSN. This argument will be moot."


Yeah, I wonder if I'm the only one here that keeps getting "keep the PSN free petition" SPAM messages on my PS3?

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UPDATE: Ok, so after work today I swapped out the 360 once more. Got home, plugged it all in, went to import my gamertag and ERROR couldn't connect to Xbox Live... I couldn't connect no matter what I tried. DOA Xbox #3!!! So I went to Gamestop made a fuss, was going to just get a refund and get an Elite new, but I didn't bring back the controller the used system came with so I totally screwed myself over there... Anyhow, I ended up walking out with a 4th used Xbox. So far so good... it's working. *knock on wood* If it breaks again though I'm taking it back and getting the bramd new Christmas bundle Elite for another $150.

Should have in the first place... So I'm on my 5th Xbox 360! Hahahaha.

Super Mario Wii is still awesome. Played it 3 player tonight and it's only more and more fun with more people. It's so chaotic and so classic. Nintendo scored big points with this title in my book!

I will never be a PS3 fanboy. The game library sucks compared to Xbox. My roommate has a PS3 and there are just hardly any good games on it, the controllers suck, and PSN is nowhere near as good as Live. You get what you pay for

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My "refurbished" XB360 hasn't given me any problems, and it's been nearly two years since I got it. Oddly enough I never got the infamous "red ring of death" or the "blinking red ring" telling you the box is about to massively explode with a force of 100 megatons... Okay, so I'm kidding about the box exploding.

But I had to get the thing shipped out to have it fixed or replaced anyway. The video started screwing up and then finally it died. I got a blank screen with audio, but no video and no red ring of death. Luckily it was still under warranty so I got a free replacement. Still had to pay for shipping though... -_-

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@ satchmo

0.004%? How would a system with a 0.004% failure rate become famous for failing? I know (IE have met in person) seven people who have had their xbox 360 RROD. I know maybe three or four people who don't have any problems. I don't know about the real number, but if it was anywhere NEAR as low as 0.004%, it wouldn't be so common for an xbox 360 to fail.

I'm sure a lot of people have heard about the IGN survey that reported 54% failure rate, and frankly i wouldn't be suprised if that was the case. I've seen other people say that it has a 16% failure rate, so if i had to guess, i would guess somewhere in between those numbers, but nowhere near 0.004%

also, the link you posted doesn't work anymore. Is there another article you have?

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Well, I alone have had an 80% failure rate. I'm on my 5th Xbox! My first was a launch system given to me about a year or so back, it lasted and worked pretty well up until the drive stopped working, otherwise it's in great shape. Will probably fix it someday. The other 4 were used / refurbs but still

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Actually what PS3 plans on doing is making a sort of "VIP" subscription, while also keeping a free version.. and I don't imagine they will get rid of the free one, you will probably be able to get to play multi player still unlike Xbox Live Silver which is a complete waste.
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I've heard that playing lots of DVDs on your 360 will lead it faster toward the RROD. Perhaps statistics are skewed when interviewing people because one group uses their Xbox as their primary DVD player while others don't? I know our family's 360 hasn't RROD'd yet, although my brother took it to his friend's house one day, and when it came back it started making funny noises like the disc spinner is grinding against something >_<. It still works and doesn't scratch discs or anything, just sounds awful.

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Wow Dink. That really sucks. Hope you get it sorted.

Also, try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31tvXu34T8Q

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Interesting piece of info Bear...I'll continue to watch DVDs on my laptop. Besides I can't get my surround to work with my 360...so it makes more sense anyway.

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I find it highly unlikely that watching crudely encrypted MPEG-2 video could cause a BGA chip's solder ball to fail any more than a far more intense game would. Maybe the thermal stress generated by the parts cooling down whilst the video plays and then heating up afterward but other than that, nothing in a software DVD player should be able to cause solder to crack.

...of course, if we went back to the old design of mounting chips using pins they'd be a lot better at coping with the heat but never mind.

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But you're forgetting, Nex, "sensible solution" is an oxymoron.

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Quote: ""In an interview with 10000 people, only 4 had their Xbox 360s rrod on them.""


0.04%?!? Not even close I can find 1,000 other surveys that put the failure rate of Xboxs much higher than 0.04%. It's more around 35-50%. And once more, the source of the statistics aren't the developers of the console.

Quote: "Well, I alone have had an 80% failure rate. I'm on my 5th Xbox! "


Quote: "my brother took it to his friend's house one day, and when it came back it started making funny noises like the disc spinner is grinding against something >_<. It still works and doesn't scratch discs or anything, just sounds awful."


http://gizmodo.com/5339915/survey-xbox-360-failure-rate-is-over-50-people-dont-care

http://kotaku.com/5343630/microsoft-responds-to-xbox-failure-rate-claim

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems

http://gamesareevil.com/2009/08/xbox-failure-rates-50/

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/171303/xbox_360_least_reliable_console.html

It's obvious to see why about half of the people that have owned an Xbox in the past (myself included), have moved onto a PS3, and can enlighten people with more than just biased fan shoutouts about their preferred consoles.

Both consoles are pretty much on par with each other; they both have a lot of good titles, and several exclusive titles. And as it's been said, it's simply a matter of personal preference. But there just never seems to be a debatable reason provided by the diehard Xbox fanboys that swear against Playstations, and praise the Xbox other than, "omgz!!! XBOX RULESZXZZZZZ!!!!11oneone!! You just suck!!!".

If Microsoft were to acknowledge the rediculously high failure rates in Xbox, and produce a more reliable Xbox console, then yeah, I would probably buy one again. But not until they stop looking the other way, and realize they have a problem

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Quote: "It's obvious to see why about half of the people that have owned an Xbox in the past (myself included), have moved onto a PS3, and can enlighten people with more than just biased fan shoutouts about their preferred consoles.

Both consoles are pretty much on par with each other; they both have a lot of good titles, and several exclusive titles. And as it's been said, it's simply a matter of personal preference. But there just never seems to be a debatable reason provided by the diehard Xbox fanboys that swear against Playstations, and praise the Xbox other than, "omgz!!! XBOX RULESZXZZZZZ!!!!11oneone!! You just suck!!!"."


I know, I just don't get it, people call me dumb and say don't move to a PS3 it sucks and im stupid, but I have had an Xbox 360 for 3 years, and from what I have played on them both it just doesn't seem as good.
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Nex, the guy I heard this from spoke from experience of working at an electronics store, and having people try to return their XBox after several months to a year and then finding out most of them used it heavily as a DVD player; his reasoning was that since video is streamed constantly from the disc for the duration of playback of a DVD versus sporadically from a game disc, that DVDs heat the 360 up a little more than games do, and as such the cooldown puts more stress on the components. It made sense to me at the time, but I certainly wouldn't count out the notion of him being completely wrong.

@Kravenwolf
I hope you realized that I was implying that my brother had roughly handled the thing, rather than trying to contribute to statistics that claim 360s have a high failure rate. Give my brother any console: 360, PS3, Wii, SNES, whatever, and I'm certain he'll find some way to damage it.

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Quote: "DVDs heat the 360 up a little more than games do"


A DVD is MPEG-2. If the PS2 could do it, the 360 should squash it. Games, on the other hand, push the system to the absolute limit.

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I'm not talking about heat from the processor though, more from the disc-reading components heating up the whole unit on their own. Does that seem plausible to you? I'm probably digging myself into a hole here considering I know little about electrical or computer engineering.

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You honestly think the likes of Fallout 3 and Oblivion aren't constantly hammering the drive? Just listen to it as you walk around.

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BearCDP
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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 16:24
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I haven't had the opportunity to play Fallout or Oblivion on 360 unfortunately, just grabbed the PC versions. When I pick up Modern Warfare 2 however, I'll make sure to give it a listen.

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Kravenwolf
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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 16:52 Edited at: 21st Nov 2009 17:25
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EDIT: Double post.

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Kravenwolf
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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 17:25
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Quote: " I have had an Xbox 360 for 3 years, and from what I have played on them both it just doesn't seem as good. "


Mine lasted six months

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Jeku
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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 18:51
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I too am on my 5th 360. I don't know a single person who hasn't had to replace their 360 at least once, and at my last company pretty much every single person I knew had a 360

That's why I bought a 360, a PS3, and a Wii. No need for fanboyism


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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 21st Nov 2009 20:53
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I've had my 360 for about 6 months and it is working nicely.

I bought it fully aware of the risks...heck I asked for no fanboyism or comments about the PS3 in the thread I made asking for advice and recommendations on treating a 360 and which package to buy.

My parents own a PS3, it's a nice consoles - runs smoothly and it has some great exclusive games. As an RPGamer 360 was an obvious choice and I think I actually prefer using it. I had to pay extra for piece of mind and that's in the form of 3years of full cover. I can dig that - it even covers water damage. The only probably would be sending it off and given I've just spent 2 and a half months with out my beloved 360, I have the patience to wait for it to be fixed...like I had to with my laptop.


But the PS3 is the obvious choice for some...Last Guardian is making me jealous of PS3 users and well I had to a soft spot for Little Big Planet.

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