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Geek Culture / Super Mario Wii, RROD's, banned consoles, and tomorrow another trip to Gamestop

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Darth Vader
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2009 01:53
RROD is caused by heat. The console heats up and cools down a lot . Eventually the silicon that hold the CPU chip to the motherboard cracks (MS do a great job though... NOT!) once this cracks the X360 will stop working to avoid creating anymore damage.

Source? I work at a game store and we repair a lot (and I mean a LOT) of X360's.

But yeah I'm guessing most of you know that already

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2009 01:56 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2009 01:56
Quote: "But yeah I'm guessing most of you know that already"

I didn't but now I do Although is there more then 1 known cause? Because I think (if I recall correctly) that it can also be caused by a faulty cd drive or something of that sort.

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Darth Vader
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2009 04:59
Quote: "Although is there more then 1 known cause? Because I think (if I recall correctly) that it can also be caused by a faulty cd drive or something of that sort."
Yeah but that seem to be the most common cause. At least were I work

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2009 08:17
My 360 has only been replaced once. I got a brand new one for free from MS.

Anyway, the PS3 is looking even better right now since it just got Facebook support (for free). Not that I would really use that myself, but I'm sure other people will.
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Posted: 22nd Nov 2009 09:11
So did Xbox, if you have Live of course. Free addon.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2009 09:21
Quote: "That's why I bought a 360, a PS3, and a Wii. No need for fanboyism"


I'm in the same boat! Own all three consoles, have to say I prefer the Xbox 360 over the other two. Essentially my PS3 is an expensive BluRay Player.

I've had my Xbox since the day it came out, and it has never broken down. Although I have purchased the new "Super Elite", as I wanted more HDD space and considering the price of M$ HDDs, I thought I may as well shell out the bit extra for a 250GB Console.

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Posted: 22nd Nov 2009 09:43 Edited at: 22nd Nov 2009 09:45
I hate the way most people look upon Xbox 360s for their apparently high failure rate. Mine has never cracked, crashed, frozen, broke or stuck.

But still, PCs are the way to go. You can probably upgrade your PC to something of the same speed as a PS3/ Xbox for half the price.

And everytime a new console is released, it's always a £400 upgrade to the older one. It would probably cost you less than £200 to upgrade your PC from it's PS3/360 standard to PS4/New xbox.


And before people complain about PC controls, you can buy an adaptor for your PS3/XBOX controller for less than a tenner.
And before people complain about small screens, you can get an adaptor for DVI/VGA to Scart for less than a tenner.

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Robert F
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Posted: 23rd Nov 2009 00:31
This is kind of old but take a look at this:

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/101/1014486p1.html

You can't say that Xbox 360's don't break... because here is the proof.

Aaagreen you are one of the lucky ones I guess. Infact, if everyone was like you this whole thread would not exist.
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Posted: 23rd Nov 2009 01:32
I was like Aaagreen for awhile too until my cousin's Xbox died less than a year in, and then mine died just recently as you know cause of this thread. We are (well, were) just lucky.

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Robert F
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Posted: 23rd Nov 2009 03:29
Quote: "I was like Aaagreen for awhile too until my cousin's Xbox died less than a year in, and then mine died just recently as you know cause of this thread. We are (well, were) just lucky"


Well, yeah I was like that to.. but then after about 2 1/2 years it failed on me, and since then I have had pretty bad luck.
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Posted: 24th Nov 2009 11:57
I have 2 XBoxes, and one of them is just back after being fixed for E74 (similar to RROD), is making a horrible noise. My other box is working fine, but it's been sent for repair twice.

So my failure rate is 150%, because 3 times for 2 consoles - luckily they extended the warranty for E74 as well.

Now if I add on the repairs I've organised and know about, well I don't know anyone with a 360 who HASN'T had RROD issues. 4 / 10,000 is absolute garbage, the failure rate for me, and among my friends is over 100%. The best console to own, is 2 xbox 360's.

I have not been disappointed with the after sales service from MS though, they make it easy to send your console and get it back to you within 2 weeks. It's paid dividends too, if MS hadn't done this then their market share would be much smaller - people will have switched to PS3 if not for the repair service. My mum bought my brother a 360 one year, and it wouldn't boot when she got it home, so took it back to the shop who said she should contact MS. She told them to get to hell! - imagine buying something for >£200 that doesn't work, take it back to the high-st giant you bought it from, who tell you there's nothing they can do. Right... wonder if that has ever worked.


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Darth Vader
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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 00:22
Quote: "after being fixed for E74 (similar to RROD),"

E74 is actually more of a pain It's a general Hardware fault which mean's it could be anything!

With all these comments about 360's I'm considering staying away! Your scaring me guys! lol I love my Wii it's never broken down...

And that's not fanboyism!

But I also wanted to ask, have people had the opportunity to compare a pro or arcade unit with an elite? They don't seem to overheat as fast! And they also appear to have the same number of fans...?

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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 01:07
As each new chip set version of the console has come out (falcon, jasper etc.) I believe the reliability has improved. It doesn't guarantee you won't have problems just that they are less likely to happen than with the original console.

No one should use the failure rate of the console as a reason not to get it. Probably due to the number of failures Microsoft's service department for the 360 is amazing. I can say without any hesitation that the phone call to support was the BEST experience I have had with any support service ever!
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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 01:17
My 360 failed at one point - very strangely too, the picture became purple noise

And now for the really crazy thing - I still own and play an Xbox 360! Gasp!

I hate when people tell me to just get a PS3. I've got one or two dozen 360 games plus a large number of older Xbox games plus an extended warranty. Why would I want to dish out another $600 or whatever it is now to get a totally different system that would require totally different games?

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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 01:22
Well the reason I would consider getting a 360 over the PS3 (Even though I do love the P23 Original (the look and feel and the amount of features!)) I was told by my really game savvy friend that the PS3 has only around 4-5 exclusive studios left making games for it! Most of the other's have gone multi-platform.

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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 03:00
Unless the studio is owned by Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo there really seems little point in making any game exclusive to one console as you're reducing your market.
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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 03:02
Is there any reason to get the PS3 slim over an older model? I was reading CNET and they mentioned something about the slim losing backwards compatibility with PS2, and that apparently on the old PS3 you could install Linux. What's the deal, man?

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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 11:16
Backwards compatibility is over-rated. Really, what PS2 games do you absolutely have to play?

The simple solution is to keep your PS2, it's not a sign of poverty to have a pre-generation console you know . People who absolutely must have their PS2 games should own a PS2 and stop whining. If I had a Xbox game that I couldn't live without, I would not rely on it working on the 360.

My brother bought the slim, and it's a neat machine. Getting movie files to work is a pain, load times are a pain, exclusive titles are damn thin on the ground, and the online games are less regulated - but it's a good console.

The way I see it, you buy the console that plays the games you want to play, not the games that you already played through. The quality between the consoles is marginal, and it differs between games - I can't say which console has better graphics, because the graphics are different. The PS3 reminds me more of the GameCube than anything, even the PS2. It has these post processing features that I only saw anything like it on the GC. It's possible to get some gorgeous particle effects, and the refraction is just incredible. It really does boil down to what games you like though, Little Big Planet, Gran Tourismo and a handful of FPS games won't turn everyone's head.

I think people need to stop worrying about which is better, and try their best to buy all 3 major consoles. The PS3 and 360 are similar, but different, the Wii is unique, and has a footprint on the market, deep enough to bury anything.

Today, I will hopefully be buying Borderlands, on 360. I got L4D2 in the mail yesterday, and so am now patiently waiting on them to patch it - it's unplayable online as it is.


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Posted: 25th Nov 2009 16:42
Quote: "Backwards compatibility is over-rated. Really, what PS2 games do you absolutely have to play?"


That was a BIG selling point for me when I picked up a launch 60GB PS3 system, because I never owned a PSX or PS2. I wanted to be sure I could play the games I missed out on from the best-selling console of all time.


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Posted: 26th Nov 2009 02:28 Edited at: 26th Nov 2009 02:30
There are PS2 games I still wanna play...heck I still play PSX games...well PC versions of.

When the PS3 came out, there were still games I had yet to complete and I'm still yet to complete them, as well as many games I've meant to play, but have never had the opportunity to, as well as a little gems your friends introduce you to.

I need to still complete Final Fantasy XII and Shadow of the Collosus, but never had copies of Persona 3 and 4 as well as Star Ocean 3 and ICO.


My friend who bought one of the first PS3s found that in the early times that not many of the games being released stimulated him and he just kept playing PSX and PS2 games. I think he still plays the God of War games over and over.

SO there's plenty of reason for backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility on the 360 isn't all that good, from what I understand - the games I want to play on it aren't very compatible. So it's a potential selling point as Jeku demonstrated.

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Posted: 26th Nov 2009 07:32 Edited at: 26th Nov 2009 07:33
I'm also still working through FF12, Star Ocean, Shadow of the Colossus, and ICO--I bought my PS2 slim long after it had come out. Because it's small, I was able to bring it to college with me this semester. But, if I can still play all those games on a PS3, while simultaneously being able to play all the cool PS3 games like MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, and Uncharted, then that will make my day. I also want to pick up a refurbished 360, and lugging more than 1 or 2 consoles to college each Fall isn't very feasible.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2009 18:16
You could throw a Wii off a cliff and still play it. But if you knock a 360 over, prepare to buy yourself a new copy of whatever game was inside.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2009 18:41
Eh, I dunno. The Cube, certainly. The Wii, I'd say not. Mine has a habit of failing even after two repairs in any case when the 360 works fine.

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Posted: 27th Nov 2009 18:45
Quote: "Backwards compatibility is over-rated. Really, what PS2 games do you absolutely have to play?"


FFX, FFXII, Kingdom Hearts... at least those are the ones I care about. It pains me to think I might not be able to play my treasured FF games 20 years from now. I'm thinking about picking up two PS2's for $99 each just so I know I'll be able to play them in the future. One PS2 to play them on, and the other to sell in 40 years because they'll be worth a few hundred, maybe more.

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