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A producer from Uruguay who uploaded a short film to YouTube in November 2009 has been offered a $30m (£18.6m) contract to make a Hollywood film.

The movie will be sponsored by director Sam Raimi, whose credits include the Spiderman and Evil Dead films.

Fede Alvarez's short film "Ataque de Panico!" (Panic Attack!) featured giant robots invading and destroying Montevideo, the capital of Uruguay.

It is 4 mins 48 seconds long and was made on a budget of $300 (£186).

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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 15:35 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 15:44
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reminds me of war of the worlds

music video version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8F9Qvror6g&annotation_id=annotation_823968&feature=iv



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Great CGI !!

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Quote: "Great CGI !!"


And for under £200! Imagine how much it cost to create the effects in Independence Day, bet that wasn't £200.



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But guys, guys guys. It wasn't REALLY for under £200. Don't be sucked in.

- Camera equipment
- Crew time, editor times
- Software
- Paying extras
- Catering

etc. If this project was payed / costed like a real project - it would've cost tens of thousands of pounds like anything else. The main things that would've incurred expenses in a real project is wages for peoples time. Software Im guessing was not included in his £200 - software which probably costed thousands of pounds if he didn't torrent it etc.

You get the idea. Impressive achievement none the less, but don't be fooled into thinking Hollywood could turn this out for £200 if it wanted to. It couldn't.

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Quote: "Imagine how much it cost to create the effects in Independence Day, bet that wasn't £200."

Probably £230.

I am completely amazed at the level of detail in some of those shots, and for a budget of £200, its damn good!
And kudos to the guy for getting a contract.


However, Its quite clear that this is a War of the worlds style "movie". The main problem that I can see is that this can only be another one of those Hollywood action flicks with no plot and just CGI.

How do I know? Because he was offered a deal on a video containing just CGI.


I'm really hoping that at least ten pounds from that £30m goes toward a decent script. Because if this movie is a success, it could mean big big things for the online world....


Next stop... Milk Paton the movie, with a budget of 1 Trillion Galactic Credits.

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Quote: "But guys, guys guys. It wasn't REALLY for under £200. Don't be sucked in."


and all the cars, did he pay for the cars lol

its good though for that budget, aslong as you have friends in the right places.


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Posted: 17th Dec 2009 16:36 Edited at: 17th Dec 2009 16:37
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Quote: "Next stop... Milk Paton the movie, with a budget of 1 Trillion Galactic Credits."


Lol...Maybe quite close to the truth. I'm leaning more and more towards re-editing all the new stuff into a movie. I've spent just over £5,000 on it so far, which may sounds like alot but 147 minutes of animation is pennies.

Same as this video, if everyone involved was chiefly paid for their time, the budget would escalate into tens of thousands of pounds. THAT is one reason alone why the £200 budget thing is not the truth, and why Hollywood films cost money.

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Excellent, cant wait for the film, And the chose the music from 28 Days Later, an excellent choice.

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I think that was phenomenal! I know you guys are making valid arguments about the pricing, but still - it was so good considering that it was independently made.

Not sure about a film of it though. It looks great and I think it's really cool in and of itself. Extended to a full feature-length presentation, I doubt it will have much to offer. Films need to start with a good plot and work out from there - CGI is just the icing, the real meat is the storyline.

(I know, icing on meat, possibly mixing metaphors, possibly a brave new culinary experience. Maybe I should open my own catering company that specialises in things like this. Beef Stroganoff Wedding Cakes and the like)

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Quote: "(I know, icing on meat, possibly mixing metaphors, possibly a brave new culinary experience. Maybe I should open my own catering company that specialises in things like this. Beef Stroganoff Wedding Cakes and the like)"


Haha, genius! I would totally buy!

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Quote: "Software Im guessing was not included in his £200 - software which probably costed thousands of pounds if he didn't torrent it etc."


So if they used the same software for 10 more movies, the purchase price should be included in the budget of each film? It was only purchased once. Or maybe they already had the software from something else.


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You raise a good point Phaelax, but you know what? I think it should be included in the price in this instance.

The price I want to hear - for this project - is what it would cost to make it from scratch. No favors, everyone paid a wage, etc. Saying you could go out, with £200, and make this from scratch is what people are buying into - which is of course not true. Perhaps he had a library of composite footage e.g: explosions lying around which would ordinarily cost a few thousand pounds? Is it not fair to include that in the cost of making it?

I don't think there's is really a right answer to this question, it's just a matter of how you would personally total things up.

Tremendous work, however. The £200 thing is great headline material, too - I understand.

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Wow, the CGI is unbelievable, haha. I thought I was good when I could motion track some fire coming out of a house...haha.

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Bear in mind we have absolutely no idea what software he used, how much the actors cost etc - it's completely viable that he used, say Blender, and all the actors were his friends, and the cars were already destroyed etc.

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You're kind of missing my point though man; I want to know what it costed if he DIDNT get favours etc. I.e: the actual finance required to produce this.

Of course he got a few lucky breaks...you couldn't do one second of that for £200 if you were paying for it properly i.e: for editors time, camera crew etc.

I guess THIS is where I'm going with my point - people are jumping on this video and saying things like "It puts Hollywood to shame; they waste so much money etc". Well, no, it doesn't - because to make this video he did it without being paid, didn't pay anyone involved, etc.

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Im going to agree with drew here, you cant assume that he paid £200 for this, a half decent camera would cost that alone, never mind the amount of people and affter effects used. Thier'll be small print somewhere.

Though still its very nicly done.

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The first thought I had was "Fanatastic short film, but £200 is way out"

There's at least 20 working people on the credits. At 1 long working day, that would be £2/hour, without buying any equipment/software.

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Quote: "You're kind of missing my point though man; I want to know what it costed if he DIDNT get favours etc. I.e: the actual finance required to produce this."

Quote: "Im going to agree with drew here, you cant assume that he paid £200 for this, a half decent camera would cost that alone, never mind the amount of people and affter effects used. "


But where do you draw the line...? Do Pixar need to include the cost of all their PCs in the budgets for their films? Or the combined R&D of Renderman over time on top of every film's budget? Does Avatar's budget include the mortgage the SFX contractors have?

Overall, I think this argument is just... petty. It may not be £200, but it's shoestring, no matter what favors he called in or what equipment he already had. It's a cheap production for the quality of the output

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Part of the talent of an indie film-maker I think is to be able to get things done without having to spend more money than you have to - that means get as many favours as possible, and whatever else it takes, as long as it gets the job done with the least amount of money.

I thought it was quite cool, but I hope in the Hollywood version they redesign the robots - these ones really do look like toys. I want something a little more alien looking!

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You are missing the point.

Issue: how much would it cost a normal human being to go out and make this from scratch - assuming he could not get favors etc.

It would cost in the region of £10,000 +. Easily. Somebody here said a decent camera would cost £200. A decent camera would is more likely to cost around £2,000.

Sure, he may of done it for £200. That doesn't mean it can be done for £200 by anyone who chooses.

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That's the beauty of amateur productions though, you're not bound by $


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Some people would say thats the problem with them!

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No, but you said
Quote: "But guys, guys guys. It wasn't REALLY for under £200. Don't be sucked in."

We're saying potentially, he could have done.

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Quote: "It would cost in the region of £10,000 +. Easily. "


Which is still peanuts in terms of movies

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Quote: "Do Pixar need to include the cost of all their PCs in the budgets for their films? Or the combined R&D of Renderman over time on top of every film's budget?"


They will include these costs, yes. Internal budgets throw money all over the place, and every department has a P&L, which will form the P&L of the film. R&D costs for the software will possibly come in the form of "hiring out" the applications internally. If a movie needs a particular effect then they may sponsor the tech development etc. It's how corporations stay accountable

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Quote: "They will include these costs, yes. "


Published film budgets do not, which is what I'm referring to

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It's very impressive, and clearly to do this at all (whether or not it was for under £200) is an amazing feat, but if they made this into a full length movie I don't see why I should see it. I mean, it's giant robots, blowing up a city. That's just not very interesting.

I'd much rather Hollywood had recruited someone who'd made a really intense, thought-provoking short which displayed the film maker's ability to craft a brilliant story, rather than just throw CGI at you.

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That's my kind of movie. Brilliant!

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Quote: "Published film budgets do not, which is what I'm referring to"


Quote: "The budget must also reflect the postproduction, including the editing, sound, addition of special effects, and titles."


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BatVink, you've clearly missed what I'm getting at - the budget of the film may well reflect the costs incurred specifically for that production (as you've mentioned) - but what I'm referring to is reuse of tech. and expenditure that has accumulated over time.

For example, Pixar's Renderman has cost hundreds of millions of dollars to develop over its lifespan. But that overall cost to develop RM isn't totalled into the budget of every film - most (if not all) of their films don't even reach $100 mil. let alone exceed it.

Renderman is arguably comparable to technology or skills (or equipment) the film maker may have initially purchased and used+reused many times. They shouldn't be (and aren't) part of the budget for each production, because they're reused.

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David, even with that aside - nobody can argue his £200 doesn't include his own time, electricity etc, transport around the city.

It's just not the real figure whatever way you look at it. It can't be - it's nice to imagine he did it for £200 on a weekend. Im actually happy for him to say it cost £200 - which it did in a way, but if they also qualified that by saying "he had expert software, equipment and 9 months of free time" that would be better. That's my issue - people/media are reporting this like he went out with his cam and spent 2 days and out came this. THE LAYMAN could not make this for £200. I think, in this specific example, he SHOULD be including the cost of a home PC, software and so on - to give people an idea of how much it would cost to go do it again. That is the real figure I want to hear above anything else.

My second issue with the £200 figure is that people are asking "why cant they do a hollywood film for £10,000 then?". The answer is, again, people get paid in real films.

I also find it HIGHLY likely he would of bought software during the duration of the project.

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Well, you get what you pay for. If you're paying peanuts, then you're not going to get quality talent.


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Quote: "nobody can argue his £200 doesn't include his own time, electricity etc, transport around the city."


Yeah but everyone pays for that anyway. I think this is the £200 above what you'd be paying anyway.

Same goes with software - some people have some really expensive software, but haven't done anything with it. Never mind the laymen, because they wouldn't be able to do this without the skills in the first place.

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Quote: "£200"


No way it only cost that much, although it makes for a good Cinderella story. The guy probably slaved on this for a good year or so. So, maybe that was no cost to HIM, but in the real world people don't work for free.

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the real question we should be asking here is not how much money he spent on it, but why anyone would offer him a $30m contract after seeing 5 minutes of CGI...

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I got fed up with all these remarks.

Since none of you made a similar movie starred in a blockbuster movie or for that matter run a movie production company nor are any of you famous actors and have 40 million in the bank who can afford to speculate...

I find it completely funny how one industry can look down or bad mouth another industry in there own little comfort zone without any
comprehension of what really goes on in another industry...

Just proves my point again about certain people being extremely 2D
wanted to use the words "narrow minded" but that would start a full on war.

Guns n' Roses sums this up nicely "Live and let die".

Kudos for getting the 30 million, doesn't matter what the budget was who got paid or who needed to get laid it got done.

Could the people who were so quick to show fingers do any better.

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Quote: "Guns n' Roses sums this up nicely "Live and let die". "

Possibly the original phrase "live and let live" would be better than a reference to a cover of a theme song of a film based on misinterpreting this phrase... Just personal opinion though

Nevertheless no-one here is detracting from what he's done. I do agree that the argument over the budget is pointless and to be honest I don't really care. No-one's stupid enough to think that he's got £200, gone out and bought himself a camera, a computer, editing equipment, paid top dollar for a cast of professional actors and supported himself entirely for the whole duration off this money. We all know there would be other costs involved in a full production etc. Let's move on and appreciate the fact that it still looks pretty damn good for what it is.

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Nobody is pointing fingers, the desire for a true production figure is NOT pointless, what he has done is impressive and I wish him the best of luck.

Alsoooo I'm not trying to be a dick but I do actually run a production company (in legal terms, too) and I've been in a Hollywood film with Ewan McGregor and Eva Green.

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Quote: "Possibly the original phrase "live and let live" would be better than a reference to a cover of a theme song of a film based on misinterpreting this phrase... Just personal opinion though "


Theme song? as far as I know the only recent movie that used that song was not as a theme song....I could be wrong...?

then again I was playing on "leave the guy alone moaning about it is not going to improve matters"

Live and let die came to mind as it was sweet n' short and got the message across ?

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Live and let die = Guns'n'Roses cover of a song by Paul McCartney and Wings. This was written for the soundtrack to the James Bond film Live and Let Die in the opening credits. This in turn was a film of the 1954 (just looked it up for the year) Ian Fleming novel Live and Let Die. This name was chosen because of the old phrase live and let live. It subverts this phrase by changing the meaning entirely - where live and let live means let people get on with their lives, don't interfere, live and let die instead means basically focus on your survival, screw everyone else.

I'm quite impressed that you didn't even know about the Paul McCartney & Wings song which the G'n'R one is just a cover of, let alone the rest of the origin of the whole thing... Guess it's just because most people I know grew up with James Bond and the like, maybe it's not as popular wherever you're from

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Quote: "Alsoooo I'm not trying to be a dick but I do actually run a production company (in legal terms, too) and I've been in a Hollywood film with Ewan McGregor and Eva Green.

(The above is true but intended in humor)"


And as my favorite dog Triumph once said.. "And I am stooping Lassie"

I actually was in a few locally produced Music video's thanks to a drama major at school and some of my closest friends are "locally" famous and then I chose to enroll in a culinary school and chose
eating of fame...stupid I know.

But seriously since no one here knows how he was able to produce it and with what just leave it there no need to speculate as my fingers are itching to reach for a caps lock and a cup of shut up.

And thus starting the ensuing flames....

Seriously what has renderman got to do with this.Any of you think about this guy is working with a bunch of friends.Why is that people always seek the worst possible scenario.

Just hate it when people try and poke as many holes as they can in submarine with sieved doors....

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James Bond I know well just did not like the older movies as much liked Gold finger the most.

I liked the action drama's more like The towering inferno (1974) and some of the older comedy's 50's 60's

Quote: "Paul McCartney & Wings "
Nope never did listen to them
The local talent was far more dominant.Would rather listen to The who and frank more a 30's rags lover and early jazz depending on the style the 50's 60's was kinda lost in translation there was the occasional one hit wonder bands and of course Elvis.

But I am more into 70's 80's as of late....

So can you blame me then?

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As a background extra? That hardly counts as anyone can get into a film that way


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Wow that was cool.

Something to keep in mind though is that the minimum wage in Uruguay is like $80USD/Month so general costs are likely quite reduced for transportation, equipment rental, etc. The budget listed is cost, not value.

Still it's remarkable for what it is. The OP states the contract was awarded to the producer (not film maker) of the project. I have no idea of what that individuals actual contributions to the short were but I can see why the gamble could be made by the studio because recruiting a producer with an amazing wheeling and dealing could save tons of cash down the road. Sam Rami's short film (Within The Woods - 30min) which became Evil Dead had a budget of $1600. Maybe he can see a bit of himself there.
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Posted: 21st Dec 2009 12:53
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I actually was in a few locally produced Music video's thanks to a drama major at school and some of my closest friends are "locally" famous and then I chose to enroll in a culinary school and chose
eating of fame...stupid I know.

But seriously since no one here knows how he was able to produce it and with what just leave it there no need to speculate as my fingers are itching to reach for a caps lock and a cup of shut up.

And thus starting the ensuing flames....

Seriously what has renderman got to do with this.Any of you think about this guy is working with a bunch of friends.Why is that people always seek the worst possible scenario.
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Take a chill pill, people are essentially discussing the realistic budget for a film like that. £200 seems unlikely to sum and assume many cost were removed, such as equipment, editing tools etc.

It's not discrediting the film.

It's not people assuming they can do better.

It's not flaming.

It's not be a douche.

It's people with an interest in developing short films discussing something related to the topic.

Either way it was a cool low budget short film...I don't think anybody here denies that.

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Posted: 21st Dec 2009 13:18 Edited at: 21st Dec 2009 13:19
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I'm a soldier lol - I wasn't meaning it seriously though, I know it's still a lame part.

Trivia: they are both really small in real life.

Oh: what I do in it - I have to escort some random people to a 'security van'.

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Did you have to die?Which movie so that I can watch out for the guy getting capped or blown to bits...

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Do you even know who Triumph the dog is? If you did you would have known it was a joke..!

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/70376/triumph_weather_dog/

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The problem with taking the easy way out is that the enemy has already mined it.
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Never heard of him.

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Nah I didnt get to die lol

And I think the film was called 'Last Word', was done in Glasgow whilst with my twin bro who studies there.

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