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Master Man Of Justice
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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 22:21 Edited at: 8th Jan 2010 22:22
ok. here is a task manger pic, anything wrong??
i think its the mcaffe constantly scanning. It's affecting my browser also,, it takes forever to load anything now, and when i play quake 3 online my computer fails and BLUE SCREENS!!!
firefox takes forever to load and same with IE7.
any comments or suggestions.

(Mind you i cant turn off mcaffe cause dad is a stubborn old man and thinks even if im offline i can ge a virus through thin air plus the UI is passworded)


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NeX the Fairly Fast Ferret
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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 22:28
It doesn't add up, I'll tell you that much. You're using 62% of your CPU yet your CPU is sleeping for 68% of the time?

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 22:37
that was just lag cause my system is being retarded.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 22:40
Yes but its what is causing that lag, your only running IE, it shouldent be that high, i looked at some of the procceses and they looked legit, allthough i didnt check all of em. Could you give us some more info on when this started to heppen what you did prior to it ect ect?
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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 22:47 Edited at: 8th Jan 2010 22:50
well i installed quake 3 arena yesterday then today it started going like a turtle but Q3 isnt running, and im 99% positive that i dont have a virus because
A. Mcaffe is running 24/7 scanning every startup and idle for 10 min.
B. Mcaffe is the ENTERPRISE edition with adware/spyware stuff.
C. I havent downloaded anything not from these forums or programs that everyone else uses.

the only other thing i can think of (other than McAffe) is that i accidentally turned off my system while quake 3 was running.

i also was in the registry but i didnt touch anything. i was just checking to make sure one of the keys was there.

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also keep in mind that everything related to McAffe is running the Mem usage at < 310,000 K

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 23:07 Edited at: 8th Jan 2010 23:08
Also another thing is that sometimes when it is loading something it seems like its trying to lift 300 pounds because it beeps more the harder it works.
i just ran Q3 an hour ago and it was like
Beep
1sec.
Beep
half a sec.
BEEPEEPEEPEEPEEPEEP FAIL ------------------> Blue screen
and the beep wasnt the audio it was like the beep when the PC starts up.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 23:09
Overheat or power supply failure.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 23:13
yah but is that causing the slowness? or is it a mystery problem that causes the slowness causing the heat causing the failure?

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 23:20
The heat can cause the slowness; some systems underclock to prevent meltdown.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 23:35
Quote: "sometimes when it is loading something it seems like its trying to lift 300 pounds because it beeps more the harder it works. "

Haha I like the image of your computer having a hernia...

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I imagine a computer hernia would look quite interesting...xD


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Master Man Of Justice
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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 23:48
well i left it off for 20 min. i also have and adjustable fan on the back and its on full.

i think im going to put all my programs on my external and do a system restore.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2010 23:50
What are your system specs? Since no body asked...lol. All I can say though is UNINSTALL MACAFEE right now, horrible, no not horrible, THE worst anti-virus program, get a free and much better one like Avast! or AVG. *sorry for caps just really hate macafee*

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 00:04 Edited at: 9th Jan 2010 00:05
Quote: "UNINSTALL MACAFEE right now"

not an option. Dad would kill me. (he works for government antivirus)
he <3 mcaffe.
i dont though, if i couldve i wouldve as it is a processor hog.

and my system specs are: (what it looks like from the system property)
Intel(R)
Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00Ghz
3.00GHz, 1.50 GB of RAM
and i have a ASUS 9600 XT video card.

so it doesnt make sense why quake 3 would push my processor to the limit or why (in general my pc is slow.)

the only thing i can ask my dad to do is to tone mcaffe down.
cause its a pain.

scan32.exe (Mcaffe's continuous scan) is at 181,392 K mem usage and 25-45 CPU usage

McShield is 0 CPU usage but 140,232 K mem usage

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 00:09
Im going to do a disk cleanup and defrag on both drives.

Think that will help?

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 00:37 Edited at: 9th Jan 2010 00:37
Should, run a disk cleanup, and defrag and I guess if it's the only way, dare I say it, run the scan with macaffee , also to that Quake three comment, it's not quake 3

Quote: "System requirements 3D graphics accelerator with full OpenGL support, Pentium II 233 MHz or AMD 350 MHz K6-2 processor or Athlon processor, 64 MB RAM, 8 MB video card, 500 MB of free hard drive space, 100% DirectX 3.0 or higher compatible sound card, CD-ROM drive (600 kB/s sustained transfer rate)"


Those are the system requirements for Quake 3.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 01:29 Edited at: 9th Jan 2010 01:31
Quote: "UNINSTALL MACAFEE right now, horrible, no not horrible, THE worst anti-virus program, get a free and much better one like Avast!"

I second the motion.

That stinks that your dad won't let you uninstall.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 02:30
I did a Disk clean and my computer froze while doing defrag so i decided to see if the disk clean did anything.
Ok loading firefox and other tools is faster. But ill have to give it the time factor. Im not calling it cured yet because, while im typing it has a lag factor and my pc still beeps.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 02:40
Quote: "not an option. Dad would kill me"


Is it your own personal computer or is it like a family computer? If it's your own then what does he care? why should you care? get a sane anti virus program such as avg.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 04:01
Avira seems to be the top dog in AV software right now. Although it also has a much higher false positive rate than others. AVG also seemed consistently slower than all others in the performance tests.


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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 04:50
Avira failed to catch a very malicious virus I had a few weeks ago. The only things that found it were Spybot Search & Destroy and Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware. I've since been using AVG and have had no problems whatsoever. I'm also using Spybot for more in-depth scans. I recommend those two for your main anti-virus software needs.


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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 06:23
only 1.5 gb of ram. might wanna upgrade that. Lot of times anti virus don't catch homemade malware. I have made stuff before where my malware program uses alot of memory and none of the anti virus were able t o catch it. And my malware ran hidden and in task manager it showed up as a system task.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 07:54
Quote: "Is it your own personal computer or is it like a family computer? If it's your own then what does he care? why should you care? get a sane anti virus program such as avg."


Because parents with computers do not know sanity. Parents with computers think that they always know best, and parents with computers 'know' that they are right, and insist on knowing what the problem is (without knowing what the problem is) in order to keep order on a system (though order has been lost) that is barely used by the parent.

If your dad is so paranoid, disconnect the ethernet cable from the computer, then disable McAfee, and see if that's the problem (though he may not listen to reason). If you haven't ruled out the most likely cause, then you don't really have a basis to try to find a different cause. If reason doesn't work with your dad, bug him and try and get him to solve it. If that fails too, then I would suggest going behind your dad's back on this one , because if reasoning and bugging don't work, then the problem won't be fixed for years. srsly.


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Posted: 9th Jan 2010 09:18
Like Neuro said,just disable the crappy Mcaffe,then if it runs fast show him that his beloved piece of crap really is a piece of crap.Nod32/Bitdefender/AVG FTW.

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Quote: "I'm also using Spybot for more in-depth scans. I recommend those two for your main anti-virus software needs."


Most AV software isn't quite up to date on malware yet, so I would agree something like spybot is useful and almost a must. But I don't think spybot runs passively in the background does it? A firewall can also help you detect issues by alerting you of outbound connections. Nearly everything you install attempts to look for an internet connection, even DB.

It's also hard to say which AV is really better. Sure Avira detected the most, but it also had one of the highest false positive counts in the tests. In the long run that may keep you safer, but it isn't the most accurate. I'm pretty satisfied running Symantec corporate. Task manager says it's currently using only 4.2MB, and I think that's pretty good. Even though the tests on the link I showed above tell me it's not the most effective AV available, but performance-wise it agrees.

Then again, who's to say that never getting a virus notification means your AV is good? Could mean you're full of infection and it just doesn't see it. It also comes down to the user's habits. You or I are less likely to pick up a virus or become infected from malware than our mothers.


Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread into an AV debate. Either disable mcafee or check it's settings to see if its performing a regularly scheduled scan.


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Posted: 10th Jan 2010 02:52 Edited at: 10th Jan 2010 02:52
hack the registry key on mcaffee so it thinks it's a virus and deletes itself...

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Quote: "hack the registry key on mcaffee so it thinks it's a virus and deletes itself..."


Wouldn't that be like trying to eat yourself?

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Can't really delete a file that's currently in use, system won't let you. And what would a registry change have to do with detecting software as a virus?


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If you changed the registry with a value that's associated with a malicious piece of software and somehow "attach" it to McAffee, it could theoretically think of itself as a virus. That's how a registry change could "detect" software as a virus, or at least that's what I think thenerd was saying.


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Quote: " hack the registry key on mcaffee so it thinks it's a virus and deletes itself...
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I really don't think you need a hack for that what with macaffe thinking everything is a virus only a matter of time

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Quote: "hack the registry key on mcaffee so it thinks it's a virus and deletes itself..."


Or, you could install Avira along with Mcaffe, get a virus, of course one will detect it and put it in its virus vault of their equivelant, then the other will think the antivirus program is a virus, removing it. Anti virus wars!. Avira being the best will of course win, hopefully.
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Posted: 10th Jan 2010 10:49
why not put Mcaffe in suspended mode so it not checking every thing, or just exit Mcaffe and unplug your internet .

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Posted: 10th Jan 2010 19:01 Edited at: 10th Jan 2010 19:05
start menu > run... > "regedit" > HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE > SOFTWARE >Right-Click Mcaffee folder > Delete > F5 Key > Restart.

or, if you are feeling adventureous, just edit every key in the mcaffee folder to say random stuff like "I IZ a Ub3r ViRu5 DELETE ME!!!!!!" and then see what happens.

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Posted: 10th Jan 2010 21:27 Edited at: 10th Jan 2010 21:34
Yeah editing keys while mcaffe is running is problematic. Plus like i said i cant disable it, my dad PW protected it, and i tried a registry password delete but because mcaffe is running its like


also i found out some of my drivers werent working so i told my dad and he did something (idk wtf) to fix it. i didnt ask him. It runs a little faster but im almost positive the rest of the slowness is because of mcaffe and its stupid butt scan32.exe .
my dad said (me mocking him) "i'll lift all the internet restrictions but no way in hell am i disabling mcaffe or scan 32"

and im like:


and he's like:


so,,, im screwed.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2010 02:17
Actually,, i am wondering if i could use my G drive (80 gigs) as ram for McAffe instead of the actual memory? is this possible?

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Posted: 11th Jan 2010 02:45 Edited at: 11th Jan 2010 02:48
i have this app on my old pc, that tells me everything running, and what its doing, and it helped me alot when i needed to clear a virus off my pc.

i forgot its name, maybe if someone knows, running it might help.

i also gota admit that i dislike mcaffe, and id much rather live with avg.

ur dad is half right tho, i find in all AVs that they can scan, but sometimes they dont find the virus until u use the product, usually that is a false alert though, but i normally clear it nonetheless.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2010 16:06
well i told my dad i cant do diddly bupkis so either get me more ram or fix it. He tried for hours to slow down mcafee and it even had a slider bar for the processing usage,,, one problem,,, thats not the problem. The problem is ram. SO he said he would think about putting another AV/SW program on my system, but i think it's his way or the highway, so me suggesting some AV's wont work. It'll have to be something he likes. (But still something that doesnt use )-
ten thousand bagillion trillion billion million hundred and thirty thousand fifteen thousand and seven hundred and twenty four kilobytes of ram.

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Posted: 11th Jan 2010 23:12
Ok well i disabled mcafee (not uninstall) and installed avg(but it didnt work ???) uninstalled that, installed avast, but it has a few processes that take up too much memory, so now im going to try avira.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 01:08
when jeku told u not to keep double posting, i think he meant "stop double posting".

in future just edit your previous post.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 03:50
Quote: "when jeku told u not to keep double posting, i think he meant "stop double posting".

in future just edit your previous post."

ok sorry, i didnt realize it cause i was busy and i was excited

sorry will keep in mind.

(when did jeku tell me to stop??)

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 12:03 Edited at: 12th Jan 2010 12:04
Go on download Kaspersky and password portect it, then let it show how bad a job mcaffe is doing.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 12:13 Edited at: 12th Jan 2010 12:14
Doesn't matter, misread it.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 16:35
What's odd is you are discribing your computer running super slow but it shouldnt with just 1.5GB of RAM that's not that low.

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it was in another thread, and he said something along the lines of
"To keep my sanity, please stop double and triple posting", i will find it if u want me to.

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Posted: 12th Jan 2010 17:46 Edited at: 12th Jan 2010 17:47
The only weakish part of the equation really is the CPU... and that's pretty good.

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