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Geek Culture / "...In The Face" - A film I made for a competition

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Inspire
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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 06:38
So there is this film competition that is held for a film festival in the city I live in, and it ended just 30 minutes ago. I'm still mesmerized by my own work and I need someone to critique me back down to normal. The concept of this contest was that the video needs to be less than 3 minutes long, and somebody needs to get pied in the face. Feel free to rip this apart, nobody will give me an honest opinion. haha

"...In The Face"

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 07:08 Edited at: 16th Jan 2010 07:08
It's alright, just a little shaky in areas.

Also, what was with the glow around the characters while they were running outside? It looked too fake and not quite real (EDIT: redundant statement is redundant on my part ). Just sayin'.


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Inspire
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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 07:10
Ha. That was a 1% opacity feathered white mask I put over them to make them more visible. I have only been able to see it on one monitor that I test this on. In hindsight, I probably should've taken that out.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 07:14
It's not horrible, I just found it kind of distracting.

What camera did you use to record this? It looked pretty decent in terms of video quality.


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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 07:28
I liked it, nice job . I liked the heavy contrast but it was a bit too dark in some scenes. Good cinematography.


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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 07:30
Good video, but what's with the brightness being set to low...

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 07:37
Nicely done! The outside shouts were too dark though. Couldn't see! Also, it sounds like you didn't make the scary guys voice stereo... could only here it out of my left ear. Other than that, I loved the pace, the humor and the action camera.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 19:29
I'm surprised so many people are having a problem with the brightness. On my computer, the video looks so bright it doesn't even look like night anymore.

And yeah, Sid. I completely forgot to do that! I'd say the voice is also kind of loud too.

Quote: "What camera did you use to record this? It looked pretty decent in terms of video quality."


I recorded with some $400 HD Sanyo camera. It's not good at all. But it is waterproof. So that could be fun somewhere. But thank you!

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 21:23
You're definitely talented. Great job

Yes, the camera shake was a little "overdone" in some areas, best way to do it I think is to record it all on tripod or have some shoulder support for the camera when moving, then just edit in the camera shake after in a program such as After Effects.

Your video had a tad too little contrast, and could have used some brightening up also. The music fit well, and the cuts were extremely Hollywood quality.

Nice job man.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 21:33
I actually liked the camera shake. It wasn't as bad as The Blair Witch Project and as a film it was definitely better.

Brian.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 22:05
Enjoyed it, the voice reminded me of the SAW films, even down to the volume bing louder than the rest. really empthasises it.

Camera shakes has been mentioned, laying tack would be too expensive so really cant complain.

Great job ^_^

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 22:09
Lol...I had to watch it a second time cause the first time, I only had my right earphone in, then read about the scary guy only being heard in mono...

It was good

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 22:19
The empty cream tube dropping actually made me laugh out loud.

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Posted: 16th Jan 2010 23:22 Edited at: 16th Jan 2010 23:23
Quote: "best way to do it I think is to record it all on tripod or have some shoulder support for the camera when moving, then just edit in the camera shake after in a program such as After Effects."


Nothing looks more amateur, ironically, than tripod shots of After Effects work. Save me from "shakey came zoom ins" added in post. Urgh.

Spot on man. I agree with the darkness BUT it was preferential to having it in broad day light. Color correction is not easy to do.

Some minor sound niggles, some very minor composition niggles - your feet are out of shot at the bottom when you are kicking and screaming at the end.

With respect to everyone else's opinion, I say ignore it - camera work was right and matched the frenzied tone you were going for.


[EDIT] I should clarify my statement with an example of the zoom in / shakey cam thing Im talking about but I dont have any to hand. And by after effects, it can do a ton of great stuff, but it can also be a dangerous weapon if abused.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2010 06:22
I've used it before, and have seen it done professionally in movies such as Cloverfield. You need a still shot so you can easily edit in CG objects/characters/scenery, then add in a camera shake. It beats motion tracking/motion blurring the object each frame to fit the shake.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2010 06:57 Edited at: 17th Jan 2010 06:58
Quote: "Some minor sound niggles, some very minor composition niggles - your feet are out of shot at the bottom when you are kicking and screaming at the end."


It's funny that you mention that, because that was on purpose. The guy playing the murderer brought a pair of grey shoes instead of the black used in the rest of the movie, so he had to use my black shoes for all of those shots. You can notice at the very last cut of me sitting there when the murderer walks off, I only have socks on. He was wearing my black shoes. haha.

And camera shake is a very touchy subject in film. Some people think it is very overused and or overdone, while some, like me, think it really adds to it. Sometimes it's ridiculous, like in the Blair Witch Project. If you have a moving shot, just tell the cameraman to keep the camera steady and just naturally it will shake. Depending on the intensity of what you're shooting, the camera shake will inherently scale while keeping everything visible.

@ Aaron: I'm not sure how they produced such high quality video then. My camera shoots at 1280 x 720 and if I shot on a tripod and added the camera shake, that would be greatly reduced. The reason I mention this is that I know Cloverfield was shot with handheld digital cameras for an authentic look, so that also must've been a concern of their's.

Quote: "Spot on man. I agree with the darkness BUT it was preferential to having it in broad day light. Color correction is not easy to do."


Thank you, it really is. Especially on low-end cameras. My next goal is to get the Magic Bullet suite for After Effects and get a better HD camera. For example, that scene at the end, where I am in that massive yellow room: that room was actually pure white. My camera is so bad that it turned everything irreversibly yellow. haha

Thanks for the criticism everybody! It's very helpful. I have been very much considering a career in film, not sure exactly what yet.

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Posted: 17th Jan 2010 12:30 Edited at: 17th Jan 2010 12:31
I just want to interject and say that most "real" HD cameras shoot at 1920x1720 - which is probably the res cloverfield was shot in. 1280x720 is the minimum form of HD.

What you've made, with regards to camera work and direction is definately on the upper end of the amateur spectrum. If you redid this film with a better camera and a shallow depth of field and whacked on some score music it would pass for a scene from a real film.

Looks like you have what it takes man!

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 17th Jan 2010 19:30
Quote: "that scene at the end, where I am in that massive yellow room: that room was actually pure white. My camera is so bad that it turned everything irreversibly yellow."


Ugh, I hate it when a camera's white balance is like that. My camera doesn't even let me control it manually, I have only 6 predetermined settings and I always have to change it to the one that best matches the conditions. And as a result, I always have to do some color correction.

I'm considering this for my next camera. Perhaps you'll like it too? It records to SDHC cards in the AVCHD format, which is becoming more and more preferable (and manageable) these days. It's really good for internet films.


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