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HZence
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Another random post because Microsoft doesn't really accept bug reports...

This isn't much of a bug but I noticed, at least on my comp, when I double click "file", "edit", "view", "tools", or "help" (but not favorites) in IE6 the word disappears. Hm, wonder why?

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hey ur right, i sat there for 10 minuets before I relized you had to do it fast. That is kinda weird
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weird stuff...

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Dosen't happen with me .

It might have to do with the current view system Windows is using. It's the reason why images drag when you drag one folder on top of another, and you get all those view visual artifacts like trailing mice when your computer is going slow. Windows Longhorn uses a totally new system. Good reason to upgrade.

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What's windows longhorn?

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Posted: 9th Sep 2003 11:44
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The next version of Windows, i.e:
-Windows 2000
-Windows XP
-Windows Longhorn

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And wont be released until next year (maybe).


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Yeah i see that bug

You didn’t kick them, you just pushed them with your foot at a very high velocity!
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I hear they're having problems with Longhorn and release might slip into 2006
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If it does slip, they'll probably release a WinXP Second Edition like they did for Windows 98 because they need to bring out an OS every few years to keep up their profits.

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Quote: "Good reason to upgrade"


Nah...trailing artifacts when the PC is running slow is definitely NOT on my list of reasons to upgrade!

New functionality - yes
major bug fixes - yes
Better handling of errors - yes
Little glitches on the screen - No

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Oh, it'll have new functionality alright. It'll also take away your drive letters and cover everything in a soft, plush comfy made-for-idiots interface without allowing you to do anything complex

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Posted: 9th Sep 2003 19:21 Edited at: 9th Sep 2003 19:26
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Quote: "It'll also take away your drive letters "

WinFS will be optional - so you can either have NTFS (drive letters) or WinFS (no drive letters and a SQL search system). At the moment WinFS is rather slow (apparently).

Quote: "and cover everything in a soft, plush comfy made-for-idiots interface without allowing you to do anything complex"

Which'll be good for those people who are afraid of computers. However, it will of course left more technical people do technical things.

I think it was mentioned it will have a new version of DirectX (unfortunately it seems they'll be keeping the stupid COM interface) and IE7 (which will be the last that can be downloaded for previous OS's).

Hopefully they'll get rid of DOS completely this time (CMD.EXE is no longer required).


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will longhorn have applications that know where they live regardless of being moved from its installed path.? I doubt it..

macs have done this for a long time as well as name your hard drive fruitbowl if you wanted.

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It still ticks me off . The drive letters are completely hidden. Yes, WinFS is optional, but without it you have to revert to the old system and get NONE of the new features. Stage 1 and 2 functionality both use WinFS, it's not optional with them.

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I cant see the problem with drive letters going - any system dlls will be pathed, and any of your program files should be read relative to where you start the program.

Indi, you can name the harddrive anything you like (up to 12 characters).


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Well, what if a program wants you to put the play disc in the drive you installed from and can't remember? And by the ghouls, what about DOS games?

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With the drive letters going does this mean they will be using a unix style hierarchy. Xp appears to use a kind of half-botched version at the moment.

Something like this? obviously microsoft won't use any standard prefering you have a 50+ character long home directory like on xp.
http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/

Hopefully when they get rid of dos they will introduce a decent cli.
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DOS games will be out - especially as the DOS system will (hopefully) be totally gone.


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DOS games can kind of run on XP. It ticks me off that they're totally removing functionality in Longhorn...

Well I won't upgrade for a long time...

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They should just call it WFI2k5 (Windows For Idiots 2005), and then release a second OS called Windows Longhorn and that can be the real OS.

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It really does seem like they're making it for total morons who don't want to figure out how to type in a file path or figure out file formats. Ignorance is fine, but those things are easy to learn. That change is just fine with me as long as they also develop things on the 'user with brains' front, but it appears they aren't.

Then again, they don't have too... most of those people are already either doomed to update Windows or sworn against it, their main untapped market is the people who are still shying away from computers I suppose.

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@ mouse
Have you never used linux? I think that type of file sytem hierarchy is what they will use. Or a barstadisation of it which is more compilcated and less logical

Win xp is currently half the old system half the new system.

They have to do something a lot of windows users are still on the old win9x and nt4 and have little reason to upgrade. They need to do a lot to get these people to upgrade.
I wouldn't be surprised if newer hardware stats to be released without proper support for win98 forcing upgrades.

Having dumb users is proberly in their best intrests unfortunatly. It's much more difficult for them to move to competing products. They have to pay people to fix their pc. The people who fix the pc will pay for microsoft qualifications which can be recomended all over the os.
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http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_alpha.asp

Some good info on longhorn..

But the this picture is even more interesting to your conversation, It seems to show a drive letter..haha


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Posted: 10th Sep 2003 12:31 Edited at: 10th Sep 2003 12:35
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I shoulda mentioned this before but.....

Why do you people not Research before you say stupid things?

()Edit() http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4008.asp

http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/longhorn_4015.asp

I forgot to post these lil boys

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So winfsfs is just a fs based on a database. Looks like as with every other new windows version it's going to wipe out any performace gains that the new hardware will bring.
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Quote: "Hopefully they'll get rid of DOS completely this time (CMD.EXE is no longer required)"

There are heaps of uses for the Command Prompt and why anyone would want to get rid of it is beyond me. I constantly use it for pinging my LAN server and bringing up statistics among other things. And why do you want it gone so much? If you don't like it then just don't open it - there's no need to remove it completely.

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Well, there is no reason to keep it - you ping and rename and copy and delete from the GUI, either using another program or built in routines (my router has a web-interfaced ping for example). The reason it should be gone is to remove the trouble of having to interface it with the GUI in Longhorn, where they could be doing other things instead. Maybe have it as an optional down, perhaps, but not installed by default.

And besides, why does anyone want to run DOS programs now ? It adds another layer of possible problems to Longhorn, which isn't really needed.


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Quote: "So winfsfs is just a fs based on a database. Looks like as with every other new windows version it's going to wipe out any performace gains that the new hardware will bring"

I did say it was a database system before. At the moment it is supposed to be rather slow, but then it is a beta...


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Quote: "but then it is a beta"


It is actually still in Alpha, not Beta, so it is at an extremly buggy state right now. And the expected release date is summer of 2004.

From what i heard though, is there is still going to be a DOS Based Command prompt interface built in, but the info there is not completly accurate. I would enjoy the DOS interface still built in becuase i love to annoy my friends with a good old batch file.



I would also like a DOS interface so i can play DOS games, like Duke Nukem, and Mechwarrior 2, or Command and Conquer. To take out the DOS interface would be like casterating a man, it removes it's soul and pride, and the ability to do some fun stuff.

In the end, if they were to take DOS interface out of Windows, i would just have to dual boot XP and Longhorn, For all my life, Because with out a DOS command Prompt, i'm bored as hell, and then i can't makefun of my teachers and other student without having to say it to there face.

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Liquidz, that's a very old shot .

It's not in Alpha or Beta-- it's going through Microsoft's development stage; they use their own little morale-boosting terms. 'Milestones' are what the builds all the way until release are called, last I heard.

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i know it's old, but if you check more recent shots of the My computer interface, you will see that drive letters are still used, because if it did not have drive letters, there would be lossed support for programs designed for XP and down.

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All the screens I've seen from the last two milestones do not display drive letters. And Microsoft has said they are removing them from the interface.

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Hm, LH looks suspiciously like XP...I guess they're doing what they did with 95 and 98 and keeping the GUI similar.

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At the moment the leaked programs were just modifed XP's.


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Quote: "Step one: Open Notepad
2. Type on the first line "net send computer name or IP Address hello"
3. next line type "netsend.bat"
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Gonna do that on the schools network, its all the same IP, so it'll pop up on every computer, Mwuhahahaha!!!


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Longhorn will look very different when it's released, they're working on technology and not graphics right now. 3d stuff allows lots of fancy effects with the windows!

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Quote: "Gonna do that on the schools network, its all the same IP, so it'll pop up on every computer"


Well i once sent a Virus through the network that i made, that replaced Sol.exe(solitare) with a unbeatable game.... hahaha... the teachers were so pissed.

now on topic.......kinda
Quote: "Longhorn will look very different when it's released, they're working on technology and not graphics right now. 3d stuff allows lots of fancy effects with the windows!"


Well you don't have to have the fancy effects on, Fancy effects are for people who fell like wasting System Resources so there windo can fade in and out, an dfrankly when i first saw XP doing this, it made me pretty sick, and it took mr a week to find the option to turn things to normal... plain..boring.

So i hope to god LH has the goddamn option to turn of the supposed 3d effects, because i enjoy performance, not a buncha flahsy flashing sh*t.

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XP has apps like TweakUI which can modify everything to look like 98/2000 so I don't see why Longhorn won't also see the life of such programs.

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It'll be optional of course - apparently they'll be 2/3 Tiers along the lines of Tier 1 : Full display, Tier 2 : Windows 2000 look, Tier 3 : Modified Safe Mode or such.


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Ok hmm just saw this. I'm not going to enter a Windows devlopment discussion because I would get too into it

However on the topic of the original IE double click thing, its not actually the text that dissappears, if you look VEERY carefully, preferably on a big monitor (Mines 25 inch )

Click it once, and the black text becomes white, and the grey background becomes blue. Double clicking sends the blue back to grey, but the text remains white, meaning that its actually white text on light grey background, which is very difficult to see

lol Not an important point at all, but from a programming perspective its easier to understand what's going wrong. If the text completely dissappeared it would be a more serious error

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Actually it's the 'base expirience' and then the two Tiers. Last report at least. But I wouldn't mind wasting system reasources if I could get decent window transparency and no visual chopping/dragging-- I hate that.

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I stand corrected - its been a while since I last read the Longhorn stuff.

As most (if not all) of the GUI graphics should be done by the graphics, it should be very smooth - especially with a nice powerful card.

Myself, I'm quite looking forward to it...


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I think the 3d graphics stuff is pretty neat, but... I don't like a lot of what they're doing... Palladium included

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That, by all accounts, will be optional...
Mind you (until someone decodes the system used), will stop all viruses in one go.


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Palladium optional? I can hardly see that, it's their whole security system!

Hackers are going to be attracted to it like flies to honey. I have a hard time seeing it'll do much to stop viruses... new ones are being made every day.

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WinFS will sort of take away drive letters.

From the winsupersite:
Quote: "Interestingly, when WinFS is enabled, file letters are hidden from the end user, though they're still lurking there under the covers for compatibility with legacy applications. This reminds of when Microsoft added long file name (LFN) support in Windows 95, but kept using short (8.3) file names under the covers so 16-bit applications would still work. Expect this to be the first step toward the wholesale elimination of drive letters in a future Windows version."


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Well yes, they're still 'there', but it's not like you can find them by just jumping to the Control Panel, they're pretty thoroughly hidden, that's what gets me .

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According to PCFormat anyway - they did a bit about it a while ago now - and I cant see why it wont be optional.

The whole point about Palladium is that (apparently) it will only run signed programs - therefore anything I write cant be run without (possibly) some sort of acknowledgement from the user, anything you write cant run will be the same. The only time you wont run into any problems are those signed by Microsoft (or possibly a third party).

Therefore the only time that a virus will be run is when the user explicitly states that they want to run the virus.

In a corporate environment any user intervention messages probably wont be allowed, thus no virus will be able to be run.

That is, until someone works out a way around it.


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Well that's just the point... Palladium is Microsoft's grip on the future of computers. With it made neccessary, you have to get a permit from MS to be able to run anything at all on the machines everyone will be using. Why would they throw away a stranglehold like that? We all know their business tactics!

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