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The Master Dinasty
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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 16:35 Edited at: 15th Feb 2010 16:36
Hey guys have you seen the new inside video about halo reach? its awesome, from CE its really a jump from scripted action to sandbox action. And their new engine compared to the old one is running on steroids! Its going to be amazing. Did you know that they can use millions of polygons for a single detail model? Does anyone know what kind of program they use for 3D modeling and characters?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFgIeo_e7iI&feature=player_embedded

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 16:45
i think i crapped myself...

Yay odst was worth something ^_^ i get a beta for reach from it lol

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Quote: "i think i crapped myself...

Yay odst was worth something ^_^ i get a beta for reach from it lol"


I know its to much from one video for my brain to handle with such awesome information at the same time, i collect the halo series i got every special editions, so ODST was a natural buy for me. And i think ODST was good but short, however a beta invitation included with ODST can fix that so easily!


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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 17:22 Edited at: 15th Feb 2010 17:23
Halo 1 is lost in the ravages of time and sharp dog teeth. Halo 2 collectior steelbox which was £20 wins, and i have never bought halo 3 -_____-"

Played the hell out of it, campaign'd Legendary but nope never bought it lol. Its a thing i never got around to

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 17:24
Lol, I just finished watching the movie before logging onto the forums. I have to say it is looking incredible. The storyline and characters is what I'm really looking forward too. Just from the few shots and what the creators talked about, I think it's going to blow the original Halo out of the water in the character development department.


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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 22:02
I cannot wait for the multiplayer. There is now sprinting and special assassination kills and new vehicles and I'm getting too excited right now.
How about those particle effects?

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 23:09
From what they're saying, it's gonna be a beautifully powerful engine, running a game with a story on par or better than CE's...

I don't care what anti-Halo stuff you come out with, this'll be my first actual Halo buy since the second, (I'm like Lazarus, borrowed and played the 3rd, but never bought it). I haven't even touched ODST, my mates said it was awesome...until about a month later - it kinda faded from existence...

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Posted: 15th Feb 2010 23:51
Looks cool.

Quote: " Does anyone know what kind of program they use for 3D modeling and characters"


In the video they're using ZBrush 3 to model and paint. I assume they're using 3DS Max, Softimage or Maya for everything else. Possibly Softimage as it works with game engine integration, but I don't know what the prefer game standard tools are at the moment, nor new features since I last looked at any of those programs.


I'm still playing Halo 3 online, haven't yet got a hold of ODST. Never played the first 2 so I really don't get the plot.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 00:49
how can you own a xbox and not know the story behind Halo?!?!??!

Your the first person ive ever met whos said that lol

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 01:10
That just blew my mind. That was a complete remake of the halo games. It definitely had its Halo feel to it but... I don't even know I'm absolutely amazed right now.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 03:28
Wow. I'm looking forward to seeing how this works out. Maybe I'll be able to afford it when it comes out.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 06:08
Hmm...I get this every time I visit this page:

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Yeah, me too. It's because Master Dinasty's avatar is hosted on that site.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 11:11
Quote: "how can you own a xbox and not know the story behind Halo?!?!??!

Your the first person ive ever met whos said that lol"


Simple. I own an XBox 360, last generation I had a PS2 and GameCube not an XBox, thus I've never played any Xbox games. Halo 3 is the only Halo game I've played.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 11:39
You should try playing Halo CE, which you can get off XBL for... not much.

You can have you Call of Dutys, your CS:Ss, your Half-Lifes, I've played every one of those and not one tops the original Halo.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 11:43
lol @ halo.

Killzone 2 > Halo.

360 has no games.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 11:59
I can list a few... Mass Effect 2, Gears, Halo...

I meant to ask you. Is there a reason for this sudden trolling spree?

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 11:59 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 12:00
^Hooray for the fanboy! (Edit, directed at the one above Toasty Fresh)

Quote: "You should try playing Halo CE, which you can get off XBL for... not much. "


I may do, of course, when I have the money. I'm skint at the moment.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 12:05
Quote: "I can list a few... Mass Effect 2, Gears, Halo...

I meant to ask you. Is there a reason for this sudden trolling spree?
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Seriously, that's all the 360 has and sells .

What sudden trolling spree?


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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 12:31 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 12:33
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Xbox_360-only_games

Might I add that I have a distinct dislike for fan-boys. Given it's just a bloody console and people play the games they like on the system they like, why do we need fanboys walking in and being idiotic? Don't they have anything else better to do that tell people things suck?

I have a brain, so I can decide for myself thank you. And I did, hence I'm a 360 gamer, I claim no superiority in that stance, I just play games.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 12:33
Quote: "I have a brain, so I can decide for myself thank you.
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Well that's certainly the point then isn't it .


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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 12:51
I cant tell if you were being sarcastically a swine or just a swine...

Fanboys fall into four or more of these;

-Egotistical

-Closed off

-Thicked headed when thier being told thier wrong.

-Idiotic

-No outlying knowledge, eg' no idea why its better other than they own one, so think its better than everyone elses.

-Aggresivly Defensive.

Considering that this thread is about a 360 exclusive which is also a flagship game, for you to post fanboy'is posts means your jealous/looking for a fight/trolling.

Being blunt is best at times.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 13:53 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 13:53
To which I add the solution, a nice warm, heartfelt hug. That's all these people are looking for at the end of the day.

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 13:54
orrr tea.

Tea owns my soul lol

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 14:22
Quote: "To which I add the solution, a nice warm, heartfelt hug. That's all these people are looking for at the end of the day."


Can I has a hug sepp? If need be I can troll just a little bit for it...

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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 15:50 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 15:53
Quote: " Yeah, me too. It's because Master Dinasty's avatar is hosted on that site. "


I was going to post something about that, maybe its my avatar ill change it right away too try to make it go away, thanks for notifying me.

EDIT: Yes, my image was hosted by "www.Gonemovies.com" which apparently is a virus hosting site, no worries it cant spread through this image displayed in my post. How ever it could have spread into my computer, i am gonna download a virus program right away and fix this. Sorry guys


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Killzone2 is not better than Halo - what a rediculous comment, you haven't even dived onto MAG's bandwagon yet - 256 players in a game at once!
Games with 96 or 128 players are good, games with 256 player are laggy as hell, and I'm not talking about a network issue.

Anyway, Halo is the first ever epic FPS. It was huge, in terms of game size as well as popularity. The thing with Halo was those wide expansive battles - when I played through on co-op I loved it so much I had to keep going back and playing through again, with different people. FPS games tend not to do that these days - it's all compartmentalized, take GoW for instance. Halo and Gears are opposite poles to eachother, I didn't think Halo had to change much except be a little less repetitive. I thought that Halo2 was a let down, the gameplay became all about close quarters and melee - the sniper parts were almost a post-consideration. Halo3 was too short, too Halo2ish, although it is an awesome game.

So if Reach is much more like the original Halo, I'm much more happy - looking forward to huge battles, lots of exploring, sniping, freedom. It's the way I'd rather play these games, it's probably why I shy away from things like Bioshock. Killzone2 is quite close quarters, really more like Halo2 I'd say. So if you prefer, we could say that Killzone2 is better than Halo2 and I'd agree - but Halo1 is an epic game that forged a whole console market for MS, I'm sure the games industry would be far less interesting without it.


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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 19:27 Edited at: 16th Feb 2010 19:27
I wouldn't buy Halo CE unless you will be happy with about two months of online gameplay:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/05/xbox-v1-games-systems-no-longer-live-microsofts-pulling-the-p/

Microsoft is disabling online play on all original Xbox games (including those downloaded to the 360) on April 15th.
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Posted: 16th Feb 2010 22:57
Quote: ""Did you know that they can use millions of polygons""


Lol no, thats incorrect. They were showing a head model inside ZBrush. The head model is made up of millions of polygons inside ZBrush, because ZBrush has been brilliantly programmed to be able to handle this many polygons without slowdown. Upon export of the model, they're not going to use the hi-res mesh, they're going to bake the normal data into a normal map for a low-res mesh made up of a few hundred polygons, if that.
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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 00:05
I would kiss the person who thought up that, Preferable a girl of course.

All it takes is a simple thought right?

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 01:22 Edited at: 17th Feb 2010 01:23
Quote: "Fanboys fall into four or more of these;
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-Thicked headed when thier being told thier wrong.
-Idiotic
-No outlying knowledge, eg' no idea why its better other than they own one, so think its better than everyone elses.
-Aggresivly Defensive."


Replace "own one" with "were born in it" and isn't that more or less a patriot?

I like Halo. The first one was the best campaign wise. Halo 2 brought a lot of people to Xbox Live, and Halo 3 is fantastic in multiplayer (although I really wish the assault rifle was more like the original, or at least sounded less pathetic).

I really look forward to Reach and I hope that the campaign is everything they say that it will be. I'm not sure how it will pan out into multiplayer, they obviously have a winning formula but I'd like to see a little more effort since they need to compete with the likes of Call of Duty (not that they should have unlockable weapons or anything - that'd kill it).

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Quote: "(not that they should have unlockable weapons or anything - that'd kill it)."


Thats what i love about halo, its skill based, You can be a 10th prestige by cheating or just being realy crap for a very long time. Halo puts everyone on equal footing and only favours the brave.

And i laughed about the patriot remark, thay are pretty much the same, except fanboys are /more?/ pathetic.

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Never played Halo. I've never had an XboX, and all I've heard from Halo was that it was horrible blood and guts...

Of course I heard that when I was 6... Hmm...

I want this. Too bad I don't have a working XboX. Maybe I can get it to work... It'd void my non-existant warrenty, though.

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lol ^^^

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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 06:21
Quote: "Killzone2 is not better than Halo - what a rediculous comment, you haven\'t even dived onto MAG\'s bandwagon yet - 256 players in a game at once!
Games with 96 or 128 players are good, games with 256 player are laggy as hell, and I\'m not talking about a network issue."


I\'ve played MAG and I live in Australia (so everyones net is s***) and there is no lag at all.


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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 07:18
sorry for this topic changer... but on that list that seppuku posted, my eyes jumped straight to Fable III. I thought it had already been released for a sec

the thing I really want is a sandbox type mode. Being able to spawn units at will would be amazing. Whenever I watch development videos and see these cool demonstrations, I just want to mess around with those tech demos. It's like - once everything's integrated into a game, it's epic as a storyline, but at times I just want to examine the different parts of the engine.

Sandbox, spawning stuff (including AI)


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Lemonade, HaloCE on the xBox has no online anyway, so no biggie there.


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Posted: 17th Feb 2010 09:45
Quote: "what a rediculous comment, you haven't even dived onto MAG's bandwagon yet - 256 players in a game at once!"


Despite me owning an Xbox since it's release and never having touched a Playstation, that game looks absolutely awesome. I almost considered a PS3 for it. Do they have it for PC?

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Nah, its PS3 only and unlikely to change.

I like it, easily better than Killzone2 - the sniping is especially good, some really satisfying gameplay. I have a FragFX2, so play it with nunchuck and mouse combo. For me the best mode is 96 player king of the hill matches. Having objectives is good, even if I rarely go for them - I tend to hang back and snipe. I would say that Uncharted2, Little Big Planet, Killzone2, and MAG are worth having a playstation3 for - if you like any more than 2 of the above, then it's worth it. PS3 games are cheaper too, they come down in price a lot quicker than 360 games, kinda like a middle ground between the PC and 360.

MAG for me was laggy in the 256 player matches, so I tend not to bother - my interweb is only 6 or 7mb, so that's a factor, but it did appear to be constant. If it was internet lag, then you would expect it to come and go, not be the same with every game. It's perfectly smooth with <=128 players, more fun too. Maybe once I have a better connection I'll give the 256 player matches a try again - maybe it's something they can fix with a patch.


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How much are PS3's nowadays? I want to wait until they have a lower price, I really can't afford to pay a great deal.

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You can get one off eBay for about £140 if your patient, but my brother and I just got one the other day for my Dad's bday - and had to pay £170. Make sure you are getting everything if you buy from ebay, go through those descriptions with a fine tooth comb.

Again though, I bring up pricing, if you save an average of £10 by buying PS3 games rather than 360, then it'll pay for itself before very long. Game prices are the important factor - I've bought my consoles 10 times over with the number of games I've paid £40 for. Indi games tend to be cheaper on the PS3 as well, same sort of quality and similar titles to the 360, but a little cheaper. The comparisons for online gaming really lean in favor of the PS3 IMO, I know a lot of people will disagree with that. On the 360 I have to pay to play with 24 players. On the PS3 I can play with more players, especially in the case of MAG, but for no subscription fees. I think that PC users looking for a console for FPS games should seriously consider the PS3 with a FragFX, or variant of that - I won't give comparisons about how close to the PC it is or anything, I'll just say it's incredible fun. Especially since I customised the FragFX with microswitch buttons, instead of the rubber diaphragms of cheapness. The switches are out of a nintendo DS, so you can imagine how much better it is now .


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Quote: " Again though, I bring up pricing, if you save an average of £10 by buying PS3 games rather than 360, then it'll pay for itself before very long. Game prices are the important factor - I've bought my consoles 10 times over with the number of games I've paid £40 for. Indi games tend to be cheaper on the PS3 as well, same sort of quality and similar titles to the 360, but a little cheaper. The comparisons for online gaming really lean in favor of the PS3 IMO, I know a lot of people will disagree with that. On the 360 I have to pay to play with 24 players. On the PS3 I can play with more players, especially in the case of MAG, but for no subscription fees. I think that PC users looking for a console for FPS games should seriously consider the PS3 with a FragFX, or variant of that - I won't give comparisons about how close to the PC it is or anything, I'll just say it's incredible fun. Especially since I customised the FragFX with microswitch buttons, instead of the rubber diaphragms of cheapness. The switches are out of a nintendo DS, so you can imagine how much better it is now ."


I can not see how game prices can be of any importance, for the fun factor? For example i wouldent dream of exchanging my xbox 360 to a PS3 because a ps3 cant bring the games that xbox have, vice versa. I have both consoles and xbox 360 is better, and the console is cheaper, however the price for a game is different. Just forget about the prices, for a second and think about what interest you i am shure that you will make the right choice for you`re interests.

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I do think pricing is definately a factor, I certainly can't afford to pay over $1000 for a console and a few games

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Quote: "I certainly can't afford to pay over $1000 for a console and a few games "


Um. $1000? That's enough for a new 120GB Xbox 360, 12 months of gold, and 10 $60 dollar games. Most people just switch off between two or three anyway.

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But yes, I do agree that not all people can just forget about the price.
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As with every console post, this is getting out of hand quickly.
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lol @ australia.

Canada > Australia.

Australia has no freedom.

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Quote: "lol @ australia.

Canada > Australia.

Australia has no freedom."


Wow, you're being a bit offensive, aren't you?

I'm quite upset at the amount of people turning to trollism at the moment.

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Posted: 18th Feb 2010 02:28 Edited at: 18th Feb 2010 02:28
ZOMG Australia sucks.


By sucks, I actually mean rules! I don't know why I've said that, I've never met an Australian, however, my sister spent 3 weeks in Aussie-land and a friend of her's is moving there in a couple of months, so I suppose it must be good.

Come on, you guys gave us Mad Max and Skippy the Kangaroo...I don't know why I mention those 2 together, perhaps they should redo the Mad Max films and have Skippy instead of Mel Gibson, it would be a completely different movie. "What's that Skip? You want to enter the Thunderdome? But you ain't got your boxing gloves on!"

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ZOMG Off topic.

I think I will have to fix my 360 just for this game...Looks AMAZING. Love the stealth melee kills.

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Quote: "Wow, you're being a bit offensive, aren't you? "


It was a jab at Kerrby's childish trolling.

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