Quote: "Ds still seems childish aswell, its nintendo. Though i dont look at thier games all too often so am not entirly sure. "
You don't have to buy Mario for the DS

- they will let you leave the store without it. The DS has the widest selection of games, everything from survival horror to really intelligent adventures. It's the best for FPS, RTS and Platformers. This is from someone with an iPod, PSP, PocketPC, GP32X, DS, and Atari Lynx because I'm old school

- I've played the DS more than any other hand held, put together, and doubled. Look up Hotel Dusk, Dementium:The Ward, Trackmania, KorgDS... hardly aimed at children.
My point is that it's not 1996, Nintendo make family friendly games, and that would be a problem if they were the only ones making DS games. It's not the same as it was with the SNES with it's censored MK blood. It's not the fastest handheld, but it has the most games, and more great games than the other handhelds.