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Flatlander
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Posted: 14th Mar 2010 07:47
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I tried doing some searching and came up with nothing. Sorry if someone else has already asked.

Anyway, which one?

nVidia GeForce GTS 240 1024MB GDDR3 or

ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB GDDR5

I have always been partial to nVidia. It's the GDDR3 vs GDDR5 that I am not understanding I guess.

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charger bandit
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GDDR5 is supposed to be faster,the Geforce has 70gb/s bandwidth and the Radeon has 76gb/s.
I personally would pick the Geforce just for the sake of support and proper drivers.But if you really want that small extra speed and DirectX 11 support,go for the Radeon.But pick a Sapphire Radeon


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Flatlander
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Posted: 14th Mar 2010 15:57
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Hey thanks. That really helps

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Posted: 14th Mar 2010 17:51
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radeon hands down

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The GeForce is about £40 cheaper, and doesn't have DX 11 support. If you can afford the extra money, the Radeon would be the obvious choice for the jump from DDR3 to DDR5 and DX 11.

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Flatlander
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Posted: 15th Mar 2010 05:29
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Thanks. I have to be honest I am not a gamer but I have always tried to stay with technology. Although since VISTA a lot of people are very reluctant to move ahead. I have a Dell Laptop (XPS M1710) and thinking of getting a desktop Dell XPS 8100. Those are the two suggested upgraded video cards to get. This desktop of course comes with Windows 7 or whatever the newest is.

I am assuming that the Radeon will easily handle DX9 for game development. As everyone knows that's what DBPro handles right now. I'm sure Lee will go to X10, however, he might as well go to x11 since it is already available.

So Pagan and Aaagreen says to go with Radeon (money -- within reason -- is no object). I think Charger Bandit is possibly suggesting that as well although he has some good points with sticking with nVidia. However, I have had both ATI Radeon and nVidia.

@Charger Bandit or anyone else.

What would be the advantage of Sapphire over the Radeon that I had listed?

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Posted: 15th Mar 2010 09:27 Edited at: 15th Mar 2010 09:46
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Everyone from the FPSC forums knows what I'm gonna say: Nvidia.

IN MY EXPERIENCE, for what it's worth: Nvidia handles dx9 better, especially when it comes to the most advanced shader profile for dx9: Shader Model 3.0.

Furthermore, ATI cards do not work well with development apps that make extensive use of Shader Model 3. Such as Mudbox post effects, or the hardware shading now available in 3ds Max, does not work on ATI cards.

These are things that I NEED to work, so ATI is not an option for me, but your needs may be different..

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i guess for development nvidia woul be better, but not a 240 thats just weak. get at least a 260 or if you have money a gtx280.

suit yourself, but as far as i am concerned a 240 vs 5770, the 5770 is more powerful and faster. the downside it lacks some techs that nvidia has

i was considering getting the 5770 then i thought what the hell i am already spending $1800 on a computer i might as well get 2x 5870 in crossfire

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Like bond1 said,these are the reasons I stick to Geforce:

-Best support for all its functions
-Drivers are flawless(except S-Video fullscreen video but you wont use that I guess)
-Overclocking is smooth
-Do not overheat

The difference between stock Radeon and Sapphire Radeon or Gigabyte Radeon is higher clock speeds and more optimizations,also different cooling systems.


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So if I were you, I'd wait for the next series of GeForce which supports DirectX 11 (and then maybe wait a bit longer for the prices to settle down a bit)

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Bond1:
Hmm, I've used ATI cards my whole life and never had any trouble. Right now I use a Radeon HD 4800 and I've never experienced any trouble you mentioned. What cards have you used?

On thread topic, I'd go with Nividia even though that ATI is superior. I doubt you'll need the DX11 support for some time and you can use the price difference to add a ram stick or something.


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Aaagreen: The new GTX470 and 480 will probably never get down to the price of 100 dollars.I suggest waiting until the end of the month when the new GPU's are released,the prices will drop for older GPU's then go for a GTS250 like I will.


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Posted: 15th Mar 2010 16:15 Edited at: 15th Mar 2010 16:19
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As PAGAN mentioned, if you can swing it and you decide on Nvidia, the 260 is a great choice. I know this is an extremely popular card with the pro's on the Polycount website, people who work in 3D, day in and out for a living.

I myself splurged with the GTX 285, which was probably overkill, but I was building a new system anyway so I decided I might as well go balls to the wall and have a smoking fast system that won't choke on me no matter how hard I push it.


@ Josh Mooney: I used ATI from the days of the 9800, to the X850, to the X1900. This is when shader model 3.0 was becoming the standard and ATI was slow as hell to adopt it. And from other Max users, I hear they still can't use the SM3 hardware shading option in 3ds Max, as well as the DXSAS shader model 3 shaders, which show as just red wireframe in Max when using ATI cards. Maybe someone with an HD-series card can prove me wrong, I'd love to hear about it. I'm not an Nvidia fanboy, I just need to use what works.

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You can't believe how much I appreciate all of the input. This all has been helpful for my making a decision. For over 20 years (until I had a stroke and had to sell it) I had my own business and relied on others for input so that I could make the best possible decision that would suit the current conditions. All have been good suggestions.

If I would make a purchase through Dell (which I have used for sometime now) by March 18th. I will be able to save over $600 (US). Therefore I decided to purchase the XPS 9000 rather than the 8100.

Now for the video card.

Since my wife would only agree to a specific maximum amount for the total system, I decided to go with the GTS 240.

However, this will be upgraded to a GTX card in the future. The GTX cards start with 260 from what I see from the nVidia site. Perhaps the GTX 285 will come down in price by the time I upgrade. Or maybe I will wait until nVidia has a stable card that supports dx11. I have read that nVidia does not like to come out too soon with cards that support the next generation DX.

I hope this thread can be helpful for others. It has been a good discussion. Thanks again.

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I'm sure you'll be quite happy with the GTS 240, it's a very capable card. And I read it's a replacement for the hugely popular 9800GT, available for OEM prebuilt systems. There are tons of 9800GT users here that are very happy.

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A small note here,even though im a hard fan of Nvidia,I broke the tradition and ordered a Radeon HD4770 1gb.Reason? I got it 50% cheaper and the tests show that the 4770 is slightly better than the GTS250 I wanted to buy and it was also cheaper.


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bond1: That would pose a problem. I haven't actually used Max since V4 so I never experienced those problems. It be nice to have two separate systems to test these out. I wasn't saying ATI would be better suited for development, I just didn't know the difference between the two cards. I've never owned a Nividia card before so it's hard to compare.


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Dont worry guys,ill make a comparison for you all tommorow when I recieve my HD4770 so it will be ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN:

Geforce 9500gt 1gb OC edition VS. Radeon HD4770 1GB


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Quote: "bond1: That would pose a problem. I haven't actually used Max since V4 so I never experienced those problems. It be nice to have two separate systems to test these out. I wasn't saying ATI would be better suited for development, I just didn't know the difference between the two cards. I've never owned a Nividia card before so it's hard to compare."


Yeah since 3ds Max 2008 there is now an option to enable high quality hardware shading in the viewport that uses SM3.0. Realtime shadows and other shader effects right in the viewport, but it won't work on ATI cards, at least up to the X1900 series. I depend on this feature a lot for all my newer model packs. I still can't get a clear-cut answer from anyone if the newer HD-series cards work, mostly because all the folks over at the Polycount forum use Nvidia!

I would have no problem at all switching back to ATI if I knew they're newer cards fixed up the compatibility problems, but I'm hesitant since Nvidia has been trouble free.

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I'll see about downloading the 3ds demo and giving it a go, see if it works on my HD card.


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That would be great! Not sure if it's exactly the same in Max 2010, but here is where the option is in Max 2009:





Throw up a few primitives and an omni light, enable shadow tickbox for that light, and see if it displays shadows in the viewport like this:



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