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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Rant #1: TO ALL MODERN WARFARE 2 HATERS

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SnowBoardin360
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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 05:07 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 05:15
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So they made one game bad, it doesn't matter, I don't see you making a MASSIVE-first-person-shooter-with-millions-of-players game. And I dont think its bad, it has a interesting, addicting campaign, good addition with the Spec Ops, I DO think it has some bad qualities but im not going to completely hate on them for it, and sure you guys hate the noobtubers, but that comes with EVERY game with A grenade launcher. I mean this game features WAY more weapons than the normal CoD 4, such as the FAL, ACR, Vector, FAMAS, Scar-H, Tar 21, F2000, Ump45, L86 LSW, MG4, AUG HBAR, M240, Intervention, WA2000, M21 EBR, Spas 12, AA12, Striker, Ranger, Model 1887, PP2000, G18, M93 Raffica, TMP, USP .45, .44 magnum, M9, Desert Eagle, AT4 HS, Thumper, Stinger, Javelin (infact I named them all). Look back at the list, theres SO many! and the perks add a very nice touch to the game. OK, that's it, and remember if you hate it, I DARE you to make a game that's 1/1000 of modern warfare 2, good luck.







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What a useful post. You have enlightened me.

By the way....

Modern Warfare 2 sucks.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 05:16 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 05:19
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Quote: "What a useful post. You have enlightened me.

By the way....

Modern Warfare 2 sucks."


ok, you go ahead and make a pacman game then, and call it the best game ever, then your mommy and daddy can play it with you.
And im not trying to sound mean, but you can't say its a bad game, why is it bad?

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Quote: "Modern Warfare 2 sucks."


See, I'm actually neutral. I've never followed the COD series. I don't plan to. And I don't have anything to say for or against MW2.

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I know plenty of people that think MW2 is pretty good.
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Quote: "See, I'm actually neutral. I've never followed the COD series. I don't plan to. And I don't have anything to say for or against MW2."

Thank you Kravenwolf, you didnt go and say how bad modern warfare 2 was, unlike other people who just go around hating on it, and they dont respect how hard they tried and the effort they went through

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What is with all the fanboys coming out of the woodwork recently?

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Quote: "What is with all the fanboys coming out of the woodwork recently?"


I was sick and tired of people going on and on about how bad they thought it was.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 05:27
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Why does it matter what others think though? As long as they aren't ranting about it to you constantly... on these forums.
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Quote: "I was sick and tired of people going on and on about how bad it was.
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Where? And surely isn't that their right to do so? If they don't like a game, then so be it.

To be perfectly honest, I've never been a fan of the COD series (Although I enjoyed World at War). MW2 was a bit of a let down.

The Battlefield series has always been much better than Call of Duty, at least for multiplayer anyway.

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Quote: "surely isn't that their right to do so"


Yes it is. But ive never seen one saying how good it is. I thought it was overdue for one.

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I thought MW2 was okay... until I realised that every time I died I was raging because of some nob using an ACR (incredibly OP gun) or someone else lunging twenty feet towards me only to knife me through a wall, or a guy bringing out his portable nuke gun (RPG) and firing wildly only to have me die in a huuuuge blast radius due to Danger Close.

This game sucks so much and I haven't played it in a month.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 05:51 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 05:54
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This is hilarious. I can only imagine a 13 year old kid sitting in his basement formulating what he thinks is a great argument for how great Modern Warfare 2 is (even going so far as to look up the new guns on wikipedia) and then posting a thread on it, all the while angry that someone DARE call a game he enjoys not fun. Of course your argument has too many logical, grammatical, and structural problems to be taken seriously (ie: The fact that in order to judge a game, you must be able to make one of equal scale and value).

I don't hate MW2, I actually quite like it. I don't like the "fanboyness" that comes along with it, and I don't think it's not as good as it's predecessor. By introducing so many new things, they introduced many imbalances into it. The singleplayer campaign was a bit too over-the-top, but still fun (not as much as the MW1's, in my opinion). I love spec ops mode and have played through all of them several times with my friend.


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1. The game is not bad, it just is not realistic.
2. Perks are not a good addon they are destroying fun and skill.
3. The graphics are terrible.
4. Get bad company 2, that's a good sequel.
5. It's not that I don't like it, it just feels like an expansion pack almost.
6. Noob tube is only in this game, the grenade is incredibly over powered.
7. It's got a quite arcade feel to it, kill, die, kill, die, happens way to fast for a game. (AND DO NOT say I need to be better as that is the best come back you COD fanboys can come up with.
8. The campaign is quite fun, I enjoy spec ops.
9. This game is SUPER unbalanced!
10. This game is over populated with noobs that don't know how to either have fun or just suck entirely.

To be honest though this thread seems completely useless and probably will be locked.

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What is this thread?

"If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" - Isaac Newton
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A lost cause . One of those situations where you skim through the post, shake your head in confusion as you have a little chuckle for a few seconds, and move on.

Really, who cares about someone's opinion of a video game? "I hate that everyone dislikes the way a hummer looks. Im sick of people constantly knocking it for guzzling so much gas and being unnecessarily big, so Im going to make a thread about it, because my logic is, if you can't build an entire vehicle from the ground up, then you shouldn't be allowed to critisize other vehicles!".

Lol.

(MW2 sucks :/).
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Well the game can't be that bad, it's had over 100,000 people playing it today.
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I love it Might not be realistic but it is fuun.


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Did you mention the screwed up matchmaking? The extreme overpowered'ness of certain perks (Commando), boosters etc?
No?
Ah that's what I thought.


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Quote: "1. The game is not bad, it just is not realistic."


Now on this topic I could rant for a week.

Let me ask a question: What is the point of realism in games (excluding graphics)?

If you want a realistic game, you would therefore like this version of MW3:

-Weapons will need to be cleaned after each usage, can jam and the player will not be able to modify them anymore as they are property of the US Army.
-Snipers must find a partner who has to sight targets for them and calculate the optimal setup regarding weather, air pressure and the coriolis force.
-After each round soldiers have to write a protocol, help the population with getting food and medics for them and rebuilding their houses.
-Higher ranked players will not fight anymore but will sit infront of a screen showing the fight and will give tips and information to the soldiers.
-Every weapon except the M4, the M16 and the m9 are removed as US Army soldiers rarely use other guns.
-Picking up the enemies weapons is not aviable anymore as it is not allowed due to the laws of war.
-Air Support will need to travel to the fighting spot form the air base which takes 10-15 minutes each. In addition to that on populated areas airstrikes will not be allowed.
- After prestiging the players will be retired.
- After each match players will be forced to play a 2 hours funeral for their fallen comrades.
- etc.

Now, THAT game sounds like FUN!

Well, not really.

Yes you do need to have a standard sense of realism such as having guns that have reasonably sized magazines, running speed, things like that. But the day there is a game where every bullet is a kill is a game that I will never buy.

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Quote: "1. The game is not bad, it just is not realistic."


Who WANTS realistic? If I wanted realism I would enlist in the military. Wait a minute, no I won't...the thought of getting shot at FOR REAL terrifies me.


Oh, and I don't like the Modern Warfare series anyway, just can't get into it.

EDIT: Toasty Fresh posted right before me with basically the same argument! Anyhow, I think it's been proven without a shadow of a doubt that MW2 is THE WORST GAME EVER MADE.

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Well to be fair the singleplayer is the one aspect of all CoD games that excel in almost every area. While on this topic, I must also link to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHHBK6PGN8M

Simply amazing.

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Damn there's some flagrant opinions about MW2, both by haters and fanboys alike.

But that's the thing, why does a game have haters and fanboys, surely that's reserved for consoles and other hardware. Maybe haters are really just people who are sick of the hype, and maybe fanboys are just fans who are sick of the haters.

In either case, shut up!

Find a decent opinion or argument to support, this forum is supposed to be able to look past the typical gamer viewpoints, we should know better because we make games too (mostly). Find a real game to hate, I'll recommend a few if you want to really hate on something. MW2 is ok, it's not the sort of game that I quit my job to play, but it's a good shooter, it's not the second coming, it's not the anti-christ. Sorry if there is no spiritual or psychological support available when I say this, but it's just a bloody game.

So can we stop with the childish 'see if you can do better' argument, after naming half the guns, and saying there's millions of players as if there's ever more than 16 in a game, or whatever the paltry limit is. I like MAG, said it before, but playing with 256 players is a whole different flavor of win.

Maybe MW3 can step it up a bit, maybe have more people in the game than most have in their living room. Maybe the co-op can have a bit more to it than grinding and racing. War is not a solo effort, some real multiplayer action for the most played multiplayer game might be an idea.

Personally, I think Borderlands is better, but it's all about co-op for me, and MW2's co-op is nice, but it could have been so much better. Here's an idea - stop with the time limits, it turned what could have been a thought out 2 player mode into a mindless frag race. It should have been roles, like 1 sniper and one gunner, or even a spotter until it's time to move in closer. It could have been a lot better, next time I'd hope to see a 2-player campaign, and I'd probably get into it a lot more then.


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Quote: "But that's the thing, why does a game have haters and fanboys, surely that's reserved for consoles and other hardware. Maybe haters are really just people who are sick of the hype, and maybe fanboys are just fans who are sick of the haters."


No. I just don't like this game.

Quote: "FAL, ACR, Vector, FAMAS, Scar-H, Tar 21, F2000, Ump45, L86 LSW, MG4, AUG HBAR, M240, Intervention, WA2000, M21 EBR, Spas 12, AA12, Striker, Ranger, Model 1887, PP2000, G18, M93 Raffica, TMP, USP .45, .44 magnum, M9, Desert Eagle, AT4 HS, Thumper, Stinger, Javelin (infact I named them all"


No you didn't.

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you all just made bme want to go buy this said game, im curious now

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Quote: "OK, that's it, and remember if you hate it, I DARE you to make a game that's 1/1000 of modern warfare 2, good luck."


I hate it when people use this as a reason to attack people that hate a game - nobody here is saying they can do better, and guess how many people were on the team to make MW2? A lot more than a few indie guys. Challenging someone to 'do better' than a commercial bestseller on an indie forum is just plain stupid.

I'm not going to get into the fanboy debate again, or even debate overpowered weapons and perks, all I will say is that I love the game and have played it a fair bit.

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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 12:23 Edited at: 16th Mar 2010 12:24
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Quote: "What a useful post. You have enlightened me.

By the way....

Modern Warfare 2 sucks.
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This post is hilarious, and the reply even more so. Particularly if you knew how much time Jenkins has spent playing the game.

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Pacman > MW2 no matter how you look at it

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Quote: "Pacman > MW2 no matter how you look at it"


And let's not forget Ms. Pacman

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Quote: "What a useful post. You have enlightened me.

By the way....

Modern Warfare 2 sucks."


LOL

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Quote: "OK, that's it, and remember if you hate it, I DARE you to make a game that's 1/1000 of modern warfare 2"


That is a pointless comparison. MW2 was made on a huge budget with loads of people working on it. An indie game is on a zero budget made by one person. Give an indie developer the same manpower and budget and they could potentially amount to something on par.

My opinion on the game remains neutral.
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Do you know what I hate?

Fighting about MW2. You know you are just asking for a flame war.

What I actually dislike is how many people talk about it...A lot of people at my school never stop talking about it...

It's a good game, just, you know, get a life...

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Quote: "OK, that's it, and remember if you hate it, I DARE you to make a game that's 1/1000 of modern warfare 2"


That post is clearly a plug...

...http://www.thegamecreators.com/?f=idare

Very, very sneaky. I like it.


Also...who gives a crap about a bloody video game? Sometimes you're disappointed by a game whilst others really love it. You can't please everybody all of the time. Why do you need petty arguments about it? Whoop-dee-bloody-do, you don't like something. People whine about the stupidest of things.

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Quote: "OK, that's it, and remember if you hate it, I DARE you to make a game that's 1/1000 of modern warfare 2, good luck."


That is the most flimsy argument ever. "You can't say it's bad because you can't do better" does not work. You can tell whether someone can sing, for example, without being able to sing yourself.

In the same way you can tell whether a game is any good / any fun without being able to develop a game (funnily enough this is why games often have external/usability testing. You don't need to be developing the game to say whether it's decent)

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Quote: "Why do you need petty arguments about it? People whine about the stupidest of things."


Wait. I thought the purpose of this thread was to replace the infamous console war debates with something more original?

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I agree with Ruccus, no point in this post and i'm not entirely sure why its worthy of this post.
I love many games and dislike a hell of a lot of others, but i don't go ranting on forums about why other peoples opinions are wrong.
But you're wrong, it sucks.

Quote: " I like MAG, said it before, but playing with 256 players is a whole different flavor of win."

Now i loved MAG, i played it at Eurogamer down in london. There weren't 256 players playing at the time. There were around 90 (must have been linked in to other players in other places rather than just at just the convention). It was hectic, but a lot of fun. It felt good to actually organise a team and use strategy to defeat the other team rather than everyone piling in flailing guns around. My only problem being that i can imagine when the nobs finally get into the game it just being a massive confusing free for all with everyone shooting everyone.

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There's a few different game modes, the 256 players ones can be a bit unruly, the 96 player game (Sabotage) is a lot of fun, I play that when I want a more structured game. Basically it's 2 teams per side, each team broken into 4 platoons, each with up to 8 players. So you have a squad and an objective. The objectives center around 2 control points, if the attacking side get's control of both objectives then the final objective is unlocked, basically storm the base and blow it up. So there's a distinct role to play, and noobs soon learn to do what they are told because it affects the length of the game and their score. If both objectives fall and the base is blown up, then it's game over. So the compartmentalized teams and set objectives really makes a difference - it's a wicked game once you get into it. I think what makes it interesting is the long view it has, like the game is split into 3 factions, all warring with each other, so it feels like your taking part in something bigger, your performance can make the difference. They have no qualms about resetting stats to level things out - in fact they recently patched it again to even things out, one faction (SVAR) had much better kit than anyone else, so that got adjusted, now it's a very balanced game.

Anyhoo, sorry to go on about MAG in a MW2 thread.


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Wut?

Honestly who cares?

Get a life and stop worrying what people think of a game. Its a game

Get over it.

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What? i have a good life, just lots of free - (free=work) time in it


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Was there really much point in making this thread? - Surely haters are just fine being haters and fanboys are just fine being fanboys? - There's already enough flaming and argumentation on this forum as it is without threads like this which just provoke people.
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Lol! I played about 1 hour of the game before putting it back in it's case and sending it back.

Seriously, who gives a flip what you think and who gives a flip about what we think.


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I actually quite liked this game and found multiplayer quite good. Maybe it's because I've always been very good at the multiplayer on the series so the problems never affected me, (smart enough not to run into the heat of battle with people tubing the hell around me) and don't say camper as I still get triple the kills of the rest of the team. Bad Company for me was a huge let down (the 1st one) this put me off buying the second. My favourite battlefield game was 1942 but I wouldn't go as far as saying it was better than call of duty. Anyway I may buy battlefield BC 2 however the killing people in 10 bullets and the overall, which I can only describe as a laggy feel, has put me right off.

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This thread was just begging to be flamed. Why does MW2 have to be brought up in every thread that has anything to do with consoles? It's getting annoying.

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@Toasty Fresh

I think you took realism the wrong way, I don't want an exact copy of the real army that's why we play video games to do things we can not. I just want to this game to either be a game trying to be realist or not, I mean they have all these incredibly releastic guns, and sights, and other gun addons. Yet there is a perk system? Most perks are quite un-real also (you magically have stronger bullets.) Thus in game skill and fun gets kind of blurred and people just win because they happen to have a certain attribute such as speed or damage.

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Quote: "smart enough not to run into the heat of battle with people tubing the hell around me"


Im normmaly that person running into the thick of it and still pulling up a +k/d.

Ive just got off for now since i should be working but if i finish ill be on later if people in america are still /awake?

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Quote: "Anyway I may buy battlefield BC 2 however the killing people in 10 bullets and the overall, which I can only describe as a laggy feel, has put me right off."

There is a hardcore mode where it's like CoD damage, that's all I play. And I haven't really noticed much lag at all.


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Posted: 16th Mar 2010 23:52
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i did not like the CoD4 campaign and neither do i like the CoD MW2 campaign, why? theyre too linear for my taste, and i think i would like it more if u could atleast get to customize ur equipment before starting a mission.

the Co-Op is plain booring, i was hoping for more RB6 or maybe playing thro the campaign together. got neither.

the MP is one of the best MP ive ever played, the customizeable weps = awesome, XP system is just brilliant, the perks are well balanced, the kill/deathstreaks are very very well balanced.

i dont see how u can think that the MP is bad?


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Posted: 17th Mar 2010 00:21
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Modern Warfare 2 was probably a good game.

Unfortunately Bad Company 2 has come along and shown it what a real modern combat FPS is supposed to look like.

Bad Company 2 owns Modern Warfare 2

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Posted: 17th Mar 2010 01:03
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Quote: "is supposed to look like."


talking about looks, or gameplay?


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Posted: 17th Mar 2010 02:22
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Quote: "the perks are well balanced, the kill/deathstreaks are very very well balanced.
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You're dead wrong there. Perks aren't balanced at all, there's stopping power, you used to be able to counter it with juggernaut but they took that out for some reason. And there's commando and there's no counter to a n00b wielding a samurai sword, when suddenly they Halo-lunge 30 ft and stab you through a wall.

Killstreaks are ridiculous too. Chopper gunner is way more powerful than an AC130, and the EMP is useless too.

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Posted: 17th Mar 2010 05:41
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Quote: "OK, that's it, and remember if you hate it, I DARE you to make a game that's 1/1000 of modern warfare 2"


I'm pretty sure you can highlight a game's problems without having to make something of equal value. The feel and balance of multiplayer has put me off to buying this game, but I don't sit around and rant about it.


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I liked MW2 until I tried BC2. MW2 is so... tight. the guns feel like precise robots are handling them, and the gun sounds feel recycled and boring. sure the story felt more polished, but not by much. BC2 was awesome, It was like you were actually aiming a gun, the recoil was awesome, the graphics were better, and the gun sounds were so loud and punchy that I fired a gun just to feel how awesome it made me feel


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