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Geek Culture / Choosing a new OS - HELP!

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bergice
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 15:24
Um i have to choose myself a new OS soon cause my current Vista ( which sucks ) runs out of trial time ( I didnt even know that ) and therefore i have to pack up my stuff and move

So i want a fast, not-buggy, stable, somewhat dynamic system that can play most games (dont need assasins creed or whatever) and especially is good for programming, digital art and 3d working.

I have been looking at Linux, Ubuntu, going back to XP again as it is so stable, Debian etc...

However i refuse to get Vista, Mac and most likely W7 too


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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 16:04
Seems like you're limiting yourself a bit, by "refusing."

I'd quip something along the lines of Churchill's speech on democracy: Windows is the worst form of OS except all the others.

For all things DirectX, for all things using non-brand hardware and so on, Windows remains the best.

Unless you go for an Apple machine, of course. Or a pre-installed machine of some other kind.
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 16:19 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2010 16:33
I refuse to become a mac-fan no offense and i like windows, just not vista.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 16:27
Well, what's wrong with Vista? Maybe we can teach you how to use it properly.
bergice
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 16:33
Its buggy and i just dont like it... Kinda

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 16:44
Quote: "I refuse to become a mac-fag no offense and i like windows, just not vista."

Oh, boo-frickety-hoo, get over it. You need to use the best tools you can get for what you want to do, not ignore something because you don't want to be associated with a certain group. Leopard is incredibly stable, easy to use and really nice to manage, if it works for you, then use it.

When i used Vista, i had no problems with it. The last time i had a major OS problem was in 98, don't expect it to do everything for you. Most OS's require a bit of TLC and fiddling to get maximum performance/stability out of them. If you aren't willing to do this, don't get Linux, get Leopard.
I recently moved over to Windows 7 64bit. Not had any problems with compatibility so far, not even had to use the virtual PC(which is essentially XP inside 7).There is no point moving back to an out of date OS. You might aswell move forward.
Quote: "However i refuse to get Vista, Mac and most likely W7 too"

As i've said, nothing wrong with Vista, Mac or Windows 7 if you know what you're doing, all that leaves you with is Linux and XP. You know what, just go for Linux, but don't come crying back to us when everything goes tits up and 60% of your games/programs aren't running correctly.

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There is PLENTY wrong with Vista. I don't see how there could be any debate to the contrary. It's slow, it's buggy, it's worse in every way than XP.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 18:09
Quote: "Oh, boo-frickety-hoo, get over it. You need to use the best tools you can get for what you want to do, not ignore something because you don't want to be associated with a certain group. Leopard is incredibly stable, easy to use and really nice to manage, if it works for you, then use it."


Its not only cause i am no fan of Apple that im not going to go with them, Mac is designed to run on their apple "pc's"

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 18:18
GIT UH MAC LULZORZ



Seriously. They're great for the media purposes you've written as your criteria (they're even increasing game/game development support), they're stable, and the machines themselves are excellent in build quality.

Windows 7 is stable too. I'm currently dual-booting Windows 7 and Ubuntu 9.10. They seem to go along together very well for the most part.

However, with your list of criteria, I'd definitely recommend either Mac OS X Leopard or upgrading to Windows 7.


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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 18:28
Quote: "It's slow, it's buggy, it's worse in every way than XP."


It's fine if you have decent hardware and the correct drivers. But yes, there's a lot of unnecessary fluff.
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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 19:01 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2010 19:02
If you want to "play most games", then Windows 7 is your choice. Macs really aren't for games, mainly because of the fact they simply don't support DirectX which is the baseline for most game engines.

Most 2d/3d apps are coded for Windows (3ds Max, Photoshop, XSI, Maya etc) so you won't struggle to find the proffesional stuff that works.


Quote: "Well, what's wrong with Vista?"


What isn't wrong with Vista?

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 19:07
Fact: Windows Vista wasn't as bad as the bad hype.

Fact: Windows 7 blows Vista out of the water. There is no reason to hate it. It's fast, easy to use and it makes sense. Try it.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 19:09
I will take a look at Windows 7, i have tried it a while ago and it seemed ok, but like i said... Ill take a look

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Quote: "I refuse to become a mac-fan no offense "


Atrocious post edit job there. Nice one

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lololol

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 20:21
Get Windows 7, it's like Vista without the bugs and with some nice new features.


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Well... No Vista, 7, or Mac, then I would suggest you go with Ubuntu and then buying Cedega for your gaming needs. I've never really used Cedega, but linux gamers seem to love it, and they have a bunch of modern games that are certified to work near perfectly. And they make it really easy to install games and stuff and have great support.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 20:27
Windows 7 FTW!!!

But if you do go with Linux, don't delete the partition if you don't like it.

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 20:27
Windows 7 or Windows XP FTW.As simple as that.


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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 20:45
Seems like people really tend to love that new OS

I cant really understand but probably its not without reason, i have finished packing up mah files now and i will probably get it set up soon :/

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 20:56 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2010 20:58
I would aggree with JoelJ. Ubuntu is far better than Windows and mac. And its free.

There are loads of reasons why Ubuntu is better than windows. Heres just a few of them.

Security. Ubuntu uses Linux which means that 99% of viruses will not run on it because of the different executable formats. It is also impossible for a program edit any other programs without the program running in administrator mode. So viruses cannot spead as easily.

Updates. Instead of having to update every single piece of software individually, Ubuntu updates the OS and all the software you have installed all together. And it does it without having to shut down!

Free software. I know that Windows also has free software, but Ubuntu has a software centre with over 2000 pieces of free software to choose from. You can simply search for the software you want and click install and it is installed automatically.

Ubuntu is alot less clunky than windows. It uses less RAM and doesnt need a very good processor to run it. Heres the recommended system spec requirements for Ubuntu and Windows. Just remember that the less resources the Operating system requires, the more resources your programs can use and therefore the faster your programs run.

Ubuntu
CPU: 700MHz
RAM: 384MB
HDD: 8GB

Windows
CPU: 1GHz
RAM: 1.5GB
HDD: 18GB

(With windows, I took the average of the 32 bit and 64 bit spec)

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Quote: "There are loads of reasons why Ubuntu is better than windows."


I am starting to become a Ubuntu fan-boy. And I tend to agree with the statement of yours that I have quoted. Although, I will admit it's a little harder to do certain tasks in Ubuntu. For example, I downloaded CodeLite so that I could program in C++, and it keeps telling me that there's an updated version I can install. Well, I downloaded the new version, opened it up in Package Installer, and...oh...wait a second, it's telling me I have to shut down Update Manager, Synaptic or the "apt-get apt" function in the terminal. None of these are running, and if they are I have no idea how to go and shut them down...::sigh:: But other than that small issue, I absolutely LOVE Ubuntu.


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Quote: "Quote: "I refuse to become a mac-fan no offense "

Atrocious post edit job there. Nice one"

It was that one line that forced my less than happy response. It might be the six hours of sleep in three days, but i think its mainly due to the fact that this type of response or way of thinking is bloody immature. Who cares what OS you use, or what company it comes from. As long as it works for you, it shouldn't matter whether it came from Apple, Microsoft or Haribo(when they get off their behinds and make the sweet, sugary OS we've all been waiting for)

Quote: "Most 2d/3d apps are coded for Windows (3ds Max, Photoshop, XSI, Maya etc) so you won't struggle to find the proffesional stuff that works."

Fortunately, most 3d apps now have a mac version. Max still doesn't, which is one of the reasons I still haven't moved over to a mac. As far as I know though, I was always under the impression that photoshop was created for mac. Maybe its because it works better on a mac, or the fact that i've seen videos of photoshop developers using macs, but I have no real evidence to back up the fact they programmed it for a mac.

Regarding Vista, sure, it comes with extra fluff, but with a little bit of work after a fresh install the majority of it can be eradicated. Regarding bugs in vista. Obviously i've heard about the bad hype, but i never experienced anything, sure I had the copy window freeze when it was copying files over. But it would still copy over in the background but just not update the bar. It never really bothered me, as long as it did it's job then i don't care about seeing the progress. This hardly ever happened either, once in a blue moon. I can only recall two instances of getting a blue screen and these both turned out to be another program's fault (ie: I could recreate the incident with ease). My point was really wasn't about Vista, but i don't understand why you would move back to XP, when 7 in my opinion, is more stable than any other version of windows.

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Mac: Buisness, 2D Media, and Video

Windows: 3D, Gaming, Moddeling.

Lunix: Programming, Coding, and Devolopment

I guess it's all up to you, lunix is really good for coding (from what have heard), but does not really do good modeling, at least nothing professional. Windows has most of the professional 3D modeling tools. Although Macs are perfect for 2D Media.

If that helped at all....

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Posted: 22nd Mar 2010 22:00 Edited at: 22nd Mar 2010 22:00
Windows is awesome! It's extremely secure. Also, I've come across only 1 bug, and there is a fix on the internet. You get the largest software selection, the best hardware support, and a snazzy interface to boot.

Ubuntu wouldn't be so terrible if you didn't have to type a gazillion commands into the terminal whenever you need to install a driver. That's my experience anyway.

Vista was almost as awesome as Windows 7--it just took a bit to iron out some of the bugs, like it always does with every new generation of operating systems. The reason why so many people don't like it is because of the choice Microsoft made to hurt compatability in order to increase security. I'm glad MS was willing to make such a bold move when they knew it would create so much controversy.

You could get a Mac if you are into graphics and such, but honestly, a PC running Win 7 can do everything exactly the same as a Mac. I'm a musician and my PC works great for me. I have used an iMac for several terms at my college, and while it worked great, I couldn't see any reason why it supposedly superior in graphics design over a PC. Oh, and I discovered that they DO crash.
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Quote: "Ubuntu wouldn't be so terrible if you didn't have to type a gazillion commands into the terminal whenever you need to install a driver."


That's sort of my only major complaint about Ubuntu. However, I also like manually typing everything in because it makes me feel more in control over my system. I just wish it was easier to learn all of the commands and know when to use them.


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Quote: "Ubuntu wouldn't be so terrible if you didn't have to type a gazillion commands into the terminal whenever you need to install a driver."

Actually, ubuntu has made it so you don't ever have to type in the terminal if you don't want to (Synaptic and other admin tools make that possible). However, one of the main reasons I switched back to Ubuntu after using Windows7 for a while was the apt-get command. And the next version of Ubuntu is going to make it even easier to install stuff using the Software Center.

As for drivers, I haven't had to open the terminal once to install one. Everything works out of the box, if not, a Drivers Util pops up after you first install and says, "hey, want to download this driver for this thing to work?" and you say "Yes" and poof, you're done.

If you haven't used Ubuntu in the last year, you have no room to say if it's user friendly or not. It has improved a hundred fold in the last year.

Quote: "Mac: Buisness, 2D Media, and Video

Windows: 3D, Gaming, Moddeling.

Lunix: Programming, Coding, and Devolopment
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I totally disagree with that. All three operating systems are just as good for everything else as the next one. That is excluding Gaming for windows, but that gap is slimming as Valve is starting to support Steam for Mac and Cedega and Wine have excellent support for most games now.

Oh, and I kinda agree with you on Linux being better for Programming, etc. But that's because of the tools available for it, but there's nothing there you can't accomplish on the other two.

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Quote: "I totally disagree with that. All three operating systems are just as good for everything else as the next one. That is excluding Gaming for windows, but that gap is slimming as Valve is starting to support Steam for Mac and Cedega and Wine have excellent support for most games now.

Oh, and I kinda agree with you on Linux being better for Programming, etc. But that's because of the tools available for it, but there's nothing there you can't accomplish on the other two."


I guess I said that odd , but what I meant is that's what those operating systems are particularly good at, it does not mean you could not do those other things.

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just my 2 cents, i like to live in the grey area between linux and windows (xp)

I'm a fedora person when it comes to linux mainly, but I've nothing against ubuntu or centos/scientific linux. I can't stand suse, and plain debian didn't get on well with me for some reason. All of my computers (desktop, laptop and netbook) dual boot linux (fedora, fedora and ubuntu respectively) and windows xp. All of them have wine in linux and cygwin in linux, and my desktop has andLinux, which is actually a really nice way to work with linux and windows at the same time.

It depends on what you want to do really, but i've heard good things about 7 (i'll be putting it on my desktop next upgrade) and if you don't want to jump linux then give andLinux or cygwin a shot. It's so nice to have ssh, scp, bash and friends on a "windows" computer once you get used to just having them. (our whole university is based on scientific linux, a red hat based distro)

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Ive been using a Vista machine for 2 years now. I program using several languages, play a few games like Left 4 Dead, as well as use Adobe CS4, ZBrush, 3DS Max, and several other graphics software packages... and havent run into any major problems.
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Quote: "There is PLENTY wrong with Vista. I don't see how there could be any debate to the contrary. It's slow, it's buggy, it's worse in every way than XP."


Never saw any of that over here. Any loss in speed was because it was replaced with AWESOMENESS. Upgrade your comp.

Quote: "What isn't wrong with Vista?"


Everything actually. But thanks for asking.

Quote: "However i refuse to get Vista, Mac and most likely W7"


Feel bad for you.

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My advice: Never go with a mac. They suck.

Give windows 7 a try. They fixed everything. Really.

If you don't play many games and most of your stuff is compatible, Ubuntu is a good choice too.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2010 01:42 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2010 01:45
Quote: "My advice: Never go with a mac. They suck."


When people make blanket statements like this, alarm bells ring out of "Never used one"

OS X is actually a pretty decent middle ground between Win and Linux. It has both a decent UI + app support and solid support of common POSIX/UNIX facilities (enabling MacPorts, for example, which is fantastic for easy install of Linux apps or other GNU/FOSS stuff). It's the best of both worlds

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Fanboys, Anything else left to say about baseless statments?

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Quote: "Fanboys, Anything else left to say about baseless statments?"


....that you just made one ^

You can see the +/- points of something without being a fanboy you know

Maybe it's an experience thing, or it could even be a maturity thing come to think of it: But eventually the whole thing X vs. thing Y scenario becomes irrelevant. As Oolite said above, it's about using the best tool for the job. Not about siding in some kind of 'religious war' of OSes.

Case in point: I use OS X for my laptop because it does various things pretty well (namely the compilation + UNIX stuff I mentioned). But I chose Tiny Core Linux for a Tablet PC I just purchased - because it boots in seconds, it's another UNIX-like OS (rsync ftw) and it has far fewer potential attack points than a full blown install of Windows (considering I'm booting an OS only to run one app)

It's about choosing what makes sense. Map out what you do with the machine, and choose the OS which caters to those things with its features. It's not rocket science.

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Go windows 7, i hate those linux fanboys. They act like if it were a ultra secure fast OS.
I've never been hacked or something like that using windows.. Security? stop using porn sites, get a girlfriend, not so hard.
It's not free, that means there's only one official release of each version. Updates? Bugs? no comments..
Like it? use it, but stop saying that god uses linux, sounds gay

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No David's wrong, plain and simple just stay away from OSX, or Apple in general.

Now I do have a version of Ubuntu installed(around 2-3 years old not updated), but I don't use it much as I could never get my damned wireless connector to work(I went on the site and downloaded the linux drivers, however setting them up was complex and exceedingly beyond my knowledge of Linux or what I was willing to learn at that point just to get a driver installed), so from PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I would definitely stay away from Linux as well, definitional not as "caught up" in terms of ease-of-use as they should be.

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Quote: "No David's wrong, plain and simple just stay away from OSX, or Apple in general."


...?

I'm guessing we can only have an interesting and informed OS discussion here once the average age of OS zealots reaches beyond ~12

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I own a mac, and I have Windows 7.

If you are an average student or do nothing with your PC besides typing documents or gaming, get Windows 7.

If you are a computer science student get a mac and windows.

If you simply want an OS for browsing the internet and messing about with photos or if you are a graphic designer, get a mac.

Mac and Windows fit different needs.

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I am forced to use a Max OSX10 at school for most of my digital classes. From my experience with it, I really dont like them. It could just be because Im so used to Windows, but whether its the fact that there isnt a Desktop button or the way you cant access your system properties bar unless you're on the desktop as the properties bar changes to properties for whatever app you currently hace focused, I just dont have good experiences with Macs. Im sure if I used them for longer than a few hours a week Id get used to it and figure out the workarounds, but as of now, Ill stick with my Vista until I can grab a copy of Windows 7.
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Quote: "you cant access your system properties bar unless you're on the desktop as the properties bar changes to properties for whatever app you currently hace focused"


I'd just like to point out that if you're referring to the Sys. Profiler, you can press the Apple menu to get to it:
Press the apple, and hold Option (alt). 'About this Mac' turns into 'System profiler'

This seems a bit weird, but it's actually pretty consistent with everything else (where holding option reveals extra... options) - e.g. right click + option reveals Force Quit in place of Quit

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Quote: "Now I do have a version of Ubuntu installed(around 2-3 years old not updated), ... PERSONAL EXPERIENCE I would definitely stay away from Linux as well, definitional not as "caught up" in terms of ease-of-use as they should be."


I don't know if you realize how absolutely ridiculous you sound, so I'm going to help out a bit.
If you knew me, you would know that I'm the least biased person around when it comes to operating systems. I own a Mac, and a laptop with both Ubuntu and Windows on it. I use each of them about equally. I probably use Ubuntu more than the other two just because it's what I personally prefer for what I'm doing (see David R's previous posts). So hear me out, I really have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as I use each EVERY DAY.
To say that you have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE right after you said that you haven't used something for TWO TO THREE YEARS is just plain stupid. Do you realize how much Linux on the desktop has changed in the last 2-3 years? Man, it's like saying, "I refuse to use Windows because 3 or 4 years ago when I last tried it, it was super buggy, nothing worked with it, blah blah blah." People would laugh at you, because the last time you used it was at the release day of VISTA. Everyone knows that the original release of Vista was a disaster. No one is trying to hide that. Now, to say that you used Ubuntu 2-3 years ago, do you know how many MAJOR versions of Ubuntu have been put out in the last 3 years? I've been using Ubuntu for the last 1 1/2 years, and in just that time 2 releases have come out that has totally changed EVERYTHING I used to believe about linux and user friendliness. When I first started, I had wireless problems, video drivers problems, and several other problems. Now, I have fewer problems while using Ubuntu than I do when I'm using Windows 7 Business Edition. You have absolutely NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE as you were claiming. Everything has changed since you have last tried.

As for the Mac OS X debate... get over yourselves guys. Get out of your shell a little while, try something new, and stop pretending like it's death. I absolutely hated Macs until I started using OS X. It's not without its problems, but neither is any major Linux distro or Windows.

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I hate macs. The worst thing about them is the price. A friend of mine spent £1000 on a macbook. My windows laptop was about £250 brand new. And it has a very similar spec too. The only real differences are that the macbook has a different design and it comes with OSX pre installed.

For a macbook, £1000 is relatively cheap. Just look at how much they are asking for.
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WINDOWS XP!! FTW i tried using some other OSs in the past but i just cant stop holding on to win xp. its the most familiar one i know it inside out direct x 10 is the only downwer but its cool because i dont have a computer that can run it

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SunnyKatt
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Posted: 24th Mar 2010 00:59
@Kaedroho - Right there with you man! Death to the crapintosh!

@PAGAn - Oh, come on. XP is ancient, switch to Win7. XP is ugly, insecure, and poorly handles multiple cores. Not to mention that it seems to clog up and slow down the quickest over time.


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When people make blanket statements like this, alarm bells ring out of "Never used one"

OS X is actually a pretty decent middle ground between Win and Linux. It has both a decent UI + app support and solid support of common POSIX/UNIX facilities (enabling MacPorts, for example, which is fantastic for easy install of Linux apps or other GNU/FOSS stuff). It's the best of both worlds"


Oh, David...
Please, I was just trying to make a short statement to convey my opinion without having to deal with all the drama associated with it.
I have used them - for years, in fact, in all of the various computer graphics classes I had taken through high school (at the time I wanted to major in computer graphics, but changed my mind to computer science after I had realized I loved programming more). The head of the art department was misinformed as usual and made the ignorant decision to use macs instead of PCs for art, simply because it was generally accepted that they were better. For no actual logical reason. Imagine the ironic humor I was struck with when they complained about lack of funding! It was their fault entirely, but that is another story.

I own Photoshop CS3 at home, and I'm sure you know this, but the program is exactly the same on both platforms. Exactly. Why, then, should a mac be considered better for art if it has no ground? Don't try and argue that they are better optimized for video and image processing, please. My $800 computer rips through various tools and filters in photoshop much faster than the fancy new imacs I had been playing around with earlier last week.
It's all just false perception. I know they are pretty, I know they cost a lot. These are designed to win people over, through charms and subconscious "you get what you pay for" nonsense. Clearly that cannot be true when open-source software has been making some huge leaps in recent times?

But nevertheless. Instead of typing something long and annoying that our original poster would never read, I said what I meant simply and to the point. I don't understand why you must always valiantly defend your silly inferior platform whenever we all disprove of it...

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JoelJ
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Posted: 24th Mar 2010 01:10
Quote: " I don't understand why you must always valiantly defend your silly inferior platform whenever we all disprove of it..."

ummm... how is it inferior? I can see that some might prefer Windows over Mac or vise-versa... but seriously, how is it inferior?
Sure, their hardware might be overpriced, but it's good quality hardware. If you're not into that, buy a cheapo $500 Dell/HP/Sony/Crapper or whatever every other year. OR buy a $200 Dell/HP/Sony/Mac/Toshiba/Lenovo or whatever and have it last a while.
Hate to break it to ya, Windows is overpriced too. Sure, it's a great OS and you're getting what you pay for. But just the other day I got my copy of Snow Leopard that only cost me $25. Windows 7 cost me 4x that, and that's for an upgrade from Vista to 7. Snow Leopard is the full install. Nothing else required. The low software cost is balanced by hardware prices.

I'm not saying I like Apple and the way they do business any more than you do, but to say that Mac is "inferior" with nothing to back that other than prices, you make yourself sound pretty funny to those around you. I think you should stop reading David's posts like he doesn't know what he's talking about and that he worships Apple or something and start reading them for what they say: Mac is good for those who like it. Windows is good for those who like it. Linux distros are good for those who like them.

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Posted: 24th Mar 2010 01:11 Edited at: 24th Mar 2010 01:12
I agree with SunnyKatt....except you came out a little harsh.
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Posted: 24th Mar 2010 01:20
I'm typing on a Mac right now and I hate it. Sure it's good for work, but I don't like working so go figure. They're too sluggish, too hard to find what you want and bloody impossible to get games to work on it. Yes there's boot camp but if I have a partition I can't use it for some retarded reason.

And there's bloody nothing wrong with Vista, if you've had bad experiences with it, you don't know how to use it properly.
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Posted: 24th Mar 2010 01:23 Edited at: 24th Mar 2010 01:24
Quote: "you don't know how to use it properly."


Either that, or you are just copying what others say. Or you are an Apple fanboy spreading the hate.
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Posted: 24th Mar 2010 01:24 Edited at: 24th Mar 2010 01:27
Quote: "I'm not saying I like Apple and the way they do business any more than you do, but to say that Mac is "inferior" with nothing to back that other than prices, you make yourself sound pretty funny to those around you. I think you should stop reading David's posts like he doesn't know what he's talking about and that he worships Apple or something and start reading them for what they say: Mac is good for those who like it. Windows is good for those who like it. Linux distros are good for those who like them."


^ Couldn't have said it better myself. Specifically the non-worshipping Apple part. I use Macs, sure. But I use a whole bunch of other things too.

Stop pre-judging an OS/platform on your bizarre-o-land preconceptions of the typical user. You seem to be as affected by marketing and hearsay as you imply I am (for example, in your reply, who even mentioned art/media? I certainly didn't - all my points were about UNIX interoperability and UI)

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