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Geek Culture / traveling to western europe soon - any tips?

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 19:19 Edited at: 29th Mar 2010 19:22
greetz, all. i'm heading to europe soon and looking for insight. it's a "whirlwind" vacation: london, paris, copenhagen, germany (cologne, rhine cruise, regensburg), and rome (then back to london), all in ~28 days (i live in the u.s.). users here are from all over so figured i'd tap the knowledge base

some specific queries:

electronics - i bought a laptop (and bringing my cell phone, too) and wonder if i need a voltage converter? i've got various adapters and i'm staying predominantly in holiday inn/big commercial hotels. people are telling me that laptops and cell phone chargers have built-in converters. if so, i just need the adapters, right?

also, i'm spending some time on various trains... eurostar from london to paris, plus a lot in germany (denmark/germany eurail pass). can i expect to "plug in" here? how about internet? too much to ask?

ack, i just saw a UK rail strike beginning apr. 6th (the day i arrive). any thoughts/expectations i should have?

germany, rhine cruise - k-d literature (pdf). i'll be there in mid april & i'm told the "best part" of the cruise is from mainz to koblenz. can anyone confirm this? i'm taking the train from copenhagen to cologne and don't have much time there so i'd rather skip the linz-cologne run if the mainz departure is best.

otherwise, i've got a solid plan for the trip but any input would be appreciated. and, i might come back with more questions once i have enough coffee this morning

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 19:28
Bring lots of money. Don't be afraid to part with it (You might not have another chance to be in the same place), BUT don't WASTE it. You just have to use your discernment here... i would advise against buying lots of items that will just sit on shelves (i would get a few souvenirs, but go for quality, meaning, and usefulness... not stuff you will never use).

Clothes are a great thing to get, because you can actually use them whenever you feel like it and it's awesome to have clothes from other countries.


Electricity:
Cell phones and laptops will usually handle 220V. Make sure you have the right plug adapter though.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 20:42
on electronics you might want to by a plug adatper in the US to use in europe as you will not be able to get one over here.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 21:04 Edited at: 29th Mar 2010 21:04
Europe as a few different socket types:

Ignore the tick and crosses.
I've never been to Switzerland but that is the coolest thing I've ever seen

Mainland Europe is all 220v and google says the UK is as well but I'm pretty sure we are 230v unless we've conformed recently.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 21:27
I feel I should point out that I live in the UK and I've never ever seen a 'shaver socket'.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 22:00 Edited at: 29th Mar 2010 22:04
Quote: "Clothes are a great thing to get"

already planning this and definitely agree!

Quote: "you might want to by a plug adatper "

got 'em. i'm still concerned with voltage conversion. i don't want to fry this new laptop just yet

Quote: "Bring lots of money"

so far i've purchased ~$2k US in pounds and euros, which leads me to a question on cash:
people say "they take u.s. money". i've bought pounds and euros but am sure to need more. do some/few/any establishments take US greenbacks?

my biggest problem in finding info for the trip has been that so many websites have motives other than my having a nice vacation. everyone touts "this is the best!", and so-called "community" sites and comments are filled with shills. i've got books that contradict one another and friends/co-workers that do the same. i got rid of the travel agent right off because she was only interested in her commission(s) (plus, she showed me an 18.5 hr flight from SF to London with a layover in newark, NJ = thanks. bye, now), so i've been going it alone.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 22:35
If your laptop as a foot warmer eg psu, look to see if it shows 110~240v if so it will be auto sensing.

I know the acer laptop works on uk voltage.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 22:36
Quote: "I feel I should point out that I live in the UK and I've never ever seen a 'shaver socket'."

I've had one in many houses/flats, but newer builds don't tend to install them, they are almost irrelevant now anyway.

I never usually buy souvenirs when I go travelling, I used to collect rocks and dirt whenever I did but I soon got bored of that as jars of dirt don't tend to make good ornaments.
If you have all your travel and sleeping arrangements then it'll probably OK to go nuts with the money. I would.
I would personally take pounds and Euro with some US dollars as backup, there are plenty of places that exchange money, as long as you are in a relatively touristy location then you can always exchange. I've never encountered many places outside of some Asian markets that accept foreign currency, it seems to be different over here. It does seem like you are going to mainly, major capitals, so exchanging money shouldn't be a problem. My bank offers services which allow me to draw out money from across the world, it works out the exchange rate and allows me to draw out the local currency. They do take a small commission but it feels a lot better than carrying around 2k that could easily be lost or stolen in a single moment.
Quote: "got 'em. i'm still concerned with voltage conversion. i don't want to fry this new laptop just yet "

A lot of laptop power packs have voltage conversion, much to my horror after I spent 40 quid on a universal converter. Check with your manufacturer first, but you may only have to buy a different plug for it.
My universal converter came in use after all after I snapped the plug off my actual laptop power lead. It has a switch on the front enabling me to switch the voltage, it might be worth forking out for one if you are still unsure though.

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Posted: 29th Mar 2010 23:11
oh yeah, the one thing that didn't run on 220v when i've been in europe/asia is my hair trimmers (cut my own hair). Basically just check all the electronics you want to bring, they will all be labeled with their input tolerance. (I.E. "Input: 100-240v 50/60hz 0.2A")

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 00:26 Edited at: 30th Mar 2010 00:26
Quote: "I feel I should point out that I live in the UK and I've never ever seen a 'shaver socket'."


I've seen them in hotels, though...I've never needed to use a shaver...a standard razor suffices for me, you don't need any kind of plugs for that and you can use it abroad without worrying about plugging it in.

Quote: "A lot of laptop power packs have voltage conversion, much to my horror after I spent 40 quid on a universal converter. Check with your manufacturer first, but you may only have to buy a different plug for it."


They're fun...I've basically had to tape mine together because the pins won't grip into whatever output you want and I keep having to fiddle with it, but then I was happier spend £20 on a universal one (£40 is a bit steep, I take it you went to somewhere like Maplin?), rather than contact Acer and spend more on one of their cable specific to my laptop. It suffices. Still, it is useful for the voltage switch.



Also, London is a great place to visit and we find ourselves walking an awful lot (we don't like tourist buses, we like to find things for ourselves and stop and look at things, travelling by bus limits you) and there's a lot to see and plenty to do and the restaurants are pretty awesome. Bare in mind for any major city, you might become a target for muggers, and lets put it this way, tourists really stand out and they're easy targets. Make sure you keep you wallet in a very place. Even though we kept ours safe in Barcelona, my Mum still managed to loose €40 on an underground train. It doesn't mean be paranoid about it, just be sensible.

London does have its muggers, I'd stay stick in a group and stay in generally public places, like you would in any city. Bear in mind every city has a dodgy area.


Also, Germany, I've not been to any of the cities you're visiting, generally I've always found German people to pleasant. Don't be afraid to talk to them, I've found the Germans like talking to foreign people. Outside of the train station, random German approaches us and starts chatting to us in German...my Dad is the main German speaker in my family, but I know enough to get by, he wasn't present. So because my German was inadequate, like his English, we created a beautiful pidgen language. Same for the woman in the pub. The girl who sat next to me on the train, brilliant English and too, very talkative (she was from Cologne actually). She dreamed of moving to Ireland. Currently, I'm yet to meet a German I dislike.

Also...you can get around a country on basic phrases, Germany was easier, because I can speak a certain level of German well. Wie gehts dir? Ja, ich bin gut, aber ich bin mude. Mein deutsch ist schlect. Ich mochte zweimal brotchen mit kase bitte.

That last line was essential at the festival we went to. €1 per cheese roll, bargain!

Germany tends not to have a huge number of English speaking people, at least, all of my Taxi drivers didn't and not many people in the shops or bars did, so it's good to have the basics, like, "wie kostet die fahrt" (how much does the journey cost") and "zum flughafen bitte" (to the airport please) and naturally the numbers, (Es ist funf und zwanzig euro...It is 25 euros)

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 00:30 Edited at: 30th Mar 2010 00:31
And,...you're not coming to Belgium, Virtual Nomad??
That hurts, bro! That tiny, but sweet little country with all of it's good beer and frites and GREAT woman, and plenty of authentic places to visite, like Brugge, Brussels, Zottegem (where I live ---> *hint* *hint*), etc...

Bwèèèhèhèhèhèèè, it makes me so sad that your not passing thru our beloved country...

Note: I would buy you a beer (and more than one too, ya know) if you would visite us...

Cheers

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All Belgium is good for is chocolate...and we can buy Belgium chocolate in the supermarket, so we'd have no reason to go there really.

I am winding you up of course, I'd probably visit Belgium if I ever get do to the tour around countries in Europe I want to do, I'll probably circles from the Germanic countries, around Scandinavia and through Eastern Europe and down to the Mediterranean, but it's a tour that would require a lot of money, which I lack and will lack for a long time.

However, it'd be brilliant research for my novel...though I'd have to go to Canada as well.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 00:58
try to blend in with the croud, dont be an annoying tourist, i know europeans hate tourists.

also if you end up going to moscow (i know its not western europe)hit me up you can chill at my place for a while

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 02:37
good stuff, guys. thanks much (and keep it coming).

germany is where i think i'll have the toughest time; i can't speak a lick. when i started looking at germany, it took a little while to learn, for example, cologne = köln (arriving there by train from copen-, er, københavn) & munich = münchen, etc looking up linz took me to a different linz instead of linz am rhein, which is a lot shorter train ride

as for belgium, it was on the original "to-do" list (last fall) but didn't make the final cut. hopefully next time!

and, moscow is a whole other ball of wax! i just started getting 4 weeks vacation at work so we'll see how many countries/regions i can check off the list in the next buncha years (and how many i can afford!).

if/when it happens, the offers are still good, right?
or, maybe we can all just meet at wacken sometime? (i'd love to go!)

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 02:51
That's a very comprehensive tour you have planned. As you move about, just remember the difference between Heaven & Hell.

In Heaven:
The police are British
The chefs are French
The lovers are Italian
The plumbers are German
The bankers are Swiss.

In Hell:
The chefs are British
The plumbers are French
The lovers are Swiss
The bankers are Italian
The police are German
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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 02:53 Edited at: 30th Mar 2010 02:55
Well, German isn't all that difficult to learn...well, I say that, but I spent 2 years of my childhood living in Germany and studied it at school...theoretically, I should be better than I am.

But to be fair, in any country, all you really need is a good phrasebook and a basic grasp of the language. I don't mind talking about the language to be honest.

Quote: "or, maybe we can all just meet at wacken sometime? (i'd love to go!)"


Hell yes! I've been twice now, (2007 & 2009) and it's awesome. Simple as. If you like metal and like festivals, you'll love Wacken. The environment is fantastic, I just love the fact the village has been consumed by the festival and the locals love it. The festival itself is very well organised and thought out. 2007 was amusing, get off plane, "hope you enjoy your festival!", get Taxi, ask for train station, "I can take you to Wacken for €100", get back on plane, "how was the festival?" At no point did we mention we were going to Wacken, clearly everybody knows about it and obviously, metal-heads stick out from a crowd.

Also, post-Wacken, if you're wearing any merchandise, expect random people talking to you or shouting 'Wacken!', happened to my brother in Barcelona of all places. And I still get it.

If you do go, your feet might hate you, as shown in my avatar, it started raining outside of Lubec airport, that was me and my feet enjoying the refreshment that is water! It was beautiful.

/wacken-gasm

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 06:39 Edited at: 30th Mar 2010 06:40
Quote: "Outside of the train station, random German approaches us and starts chatting to us in German...my Dad is the main German speaker in my family, but I know enough to get by, he wasn't present. So because my German was inadequate, like his English, we created a beautiful pidgen language. "

I had a similar situation with a girl in Italy. She spoke better english than I spoke Italian, but we ended up forming these weird sentences that were half Italian, half English. Amusing at the best of times but also extremely frustrating at the worst. Would you believe I held a relationship with her for a good 3 months. I guess it's because we couldn't talk together.

Regarding the rail strikes, there will be nationwide delays, especially cross country rail services, the trains will be mostly uncleaned and full of angry, noisy passengers. You'll most likely spend most of the journey ignoring the fact you really need a piss because you can't stand the smell in the toilet and you'll probably end up getting on an off peak train with an on peak ticket because there is no clear indication of which services are which, thus resulting in you getting kicked off halfway to your destination. Actually, that sounds normal to me...

Depending on how much time you have, you might want to check out some coastal area's, closer to London there is Dover(which you'll end up seeing because you're taking the Eurostar), Southampton has good(but sometimes rough) nights out, Bournemouth(which has an excellent beach and really good nights out) and moving farther west you could try Portsmouth which is on the border to Cornwall. Then I'd suggest you go wandering around there. As Green Gandalf will probably tell you, its a gorgeous place overall. I lived down in Falmouth for just over a year. Keep in mind that my experience with trains from Cornwall to London is that you're talking 12 hours + from trips further south, so if you have enough time i'd check them out though as it offers some of the best scenery around. Mind you, I'm mainly mentioning it because I find London the epitome of boring, I went a fair few times with different people in the past, the city itself is quite boring but there are obviously decent art galleries to go visit(if you're into that sort of thing).

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 07:48
Quote: "The lovers are Swiss"

i knew a swiss girl for a month, some years ago. glad to hear i might know her again...

@sepp - can we work out some long-distance interpretation? i'll call, tell you what i need, then hand the phone to whomever i'm trying to communicate with?

nice insight, oolite. how about bath? my trip begins and ends in london and bath's on my "possibles" list. the more-distant excursions are also possibles, but i'm afraid most will be put off 'til i can make a full tour of the isles. also, i'll be doing a few museums and enough of the standard tourist stuff but i'm really looking for castles and cathedrals (hence, the german leg, w/ rhine cruise).



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Quote: "I've seen them in hotels, though...I've never needed to use a shaver...a standard razor suffices for me, you don't need any kind of plugs for that and you can use it abroad without worrying about plugging it in. "

You obviously don't have the iShave, it is awesome. You can take pictures of yourself while you shave and upload them to your macbook via wifi. It also has a built in GPS in case you get lost while you are shaving.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 11:09 Edited at: 30th Mar 2010 11:13
Quote: "@sepp - can we work out some long-distance interpretation? i'll call, tell you what i need, then hand the phone to whomever i'm trying to communicate with?"


lol, nice try, but alas I'm not fluent and well, learn like the rest of us. It's not that bad. Try learning French, it's worse. All you really need is a good phrase book, they'll have what you need as a tourist. You'd probably need to learn numbers and directions, which are fairly easy. This is just so you can understand what they're saying to you, places like Hotels, tourist destinations and airports tend to have people who can speak English.

We went to Spain without being able to speak a word of Spanish and we got around perfectly. Even ordering drinks in a bar with staff that could only speak Spanish. Also, the language of pointing is a skill you can't live without.

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Posted: 30th Mar 2010 13:42 Edited at: 30th Mar 2010 14:05
I'm not sure about Bath, but I can vouch for Chester. Its a great tourist spot, very quiet and the architecture is very nice.

It also has one of the longest/most complete roman walls in Britain, which is really nice to walk around, great way to see the City.

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Just found quite a smart video about Chester:
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Although the ending.... is rather wierd.....

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Bath, my favourite city in the UK. I would love to go back


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The rail strikes should only affect you in the rush hour, and is national rail only (in which case if you are getting a plane to heathrow then you could still get the piccadilly line to central London - not sure whether the underground staff are taking action or not though, anyone want to correct me on that?).
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a lot of what i'd advise you with has been covered, so i'll add two more points i dont think anyones mentioned:

trains - good call on getting a eurail pass, you've just svaed yourself a lot of money. if possible aim to get night trains, with a pass they cost about as much as a youth hostel, with the bonus of waking up at your destination, instead of wasting valuable daytime travelling.

money- expect to see pretty wild price fluctuations for specific items (especially coffee) depending on the country you're in.. though i guess if you're going to tourist hotspots, everything will be overpriced anyway..

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Posted: 1st Apr 2010 11:45 Edited at: 1st Apr 2010 11:48
Quote: "lol, nice try"

was worth a shot!

Quote: "Bath, my favourite city in the UK."

why's that? specifics? it "looks great" to me but i'd like to hear why its your #1.

Quote: "especially coffee"

coffee is my drug of choice (and one i don't mind paying "whatever" for)... if it's good, that is. please tell me i'll find good coffee! (i know "good" is relative... Starbucks will do in a pinch but not top choice). i've had decent french and italian coffees and they don't do much for me. i don't suppose i can find jamaican blue mountain for $20 a pound, can i? kona atleast?

Quote: "aim to get night trains"

this was also part of the initial plan. with the exception of denmark, germany, and the trip from london to paris, i won't be on many trains (none overnight. only 1 @ ~9-10 hrs). 1, i was able to squeeze in more time in cities by flying inside europe. 2, i've been working for a railroad (frieght) for 17 years and am hoping to forget that fact for atleast a few days while i'm on vacation

thanks again!

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as for everyone raving on about Bath.. theres a lot of nice cities, not just in the UK, but all over europe. If you were to take everyone's advice and visit every nice city you'd need to get a string of visa extensions.. Besides London I could recommend stratford upon avon, oxford, edinburgh, coventry, the way i plan trips is to:
a) google "festivals in [country] [month]", find the ones that appeal most, join them up on a map and see what lies in between, and then
b) when i still have a choice between cities, i think "which one will i regret missing the most.. which one is the most unique..? that one has a fancy looking castle, but every city has a castle and they all look pretty much the same (case in point: japan)".

you'll end up with something like this.

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