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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 9th Apr 2010 07:33 Edited at: 22nd Aug 2010 23:23
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Do you think the PC (The Windows platform) is dead ?

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Isn't googles new OS for the PC going to be web based? I've waited so long for a web based OS, so if googles is, then i'll install that when it comes out, Just log in as you would an eMail Address to access your files easily anywhere.

I've got XP on my Desktop and Vista on my Laptop, and hate Vista, Requirements for all games Skyrockets, and i'd assume Win7's just as bad at eating up all of a laptops resources.

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Quote: "Isn't googles new OS for the PC going to be web based? I've waited so long for a web based OS, so if googles is, then i'll install that when it comes out, Just log in as you would an eMail Address to access your files easily anywhere.

I've got XP on my Desktop and Vista on my Laptop, and hate Vista, Requirements for all games Skyrockets, and i'd assume Win7's just as bad at eating up all of a laptops resources.
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I still think that's a horrible idea, hounsetly if it catches on it will be good, but you need a freaking internet connection EVERYWHERE. As for PC no.

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Posted: 9th Apr 2010 08:39
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Quote: "but you need a freaking internet connection EVERYWHERE"

Which isn't too far-fetched now.

Quote: "I still think that's a horrible idea, hounsetly if it catches on it will be good"

How can it be a horrible idea, but good if it catches on?


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Google's OS is going to catch on as a dual boot maybe but I don't think non-web based OS like Windows will die out not for a while because if all my files are located on some server then everytime I log in at a computer would it download my files to the computer or would it stream it ? I would guess it would stream it and well for large files like games would it stream that too ? I don't want to pay to use up Internet Provider's bandwith especially since games and movies would add up fast. So I think Google's OS is good for small applications, emails, and so on, but I believe Windows, Linux, and Macs will be needed for larger applications, games, movies.

I do think Google's OS will be useful as I would be able to access my files from anywhere in the world if I decided to travel and didn't bring a laptop but for home use Windows,Linux and Macs seem more practical.
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Quote: "Which isn't too far-fetched now."


You'd be surprised. I used to think that too, but the US is a bit behind in the internet department.

Well, regardless of whether the Google OS will catch on or not is beside the point. No, the Windows platform is far from dead. It is the preferred OS for businesses and obviously had a pretty strong gaming market. With Steam going to the Mac now, one can speculate we'll see a slight shift in the market. Then there's the whole pirating issue, but it wouldn't be the end of PC gaming.

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Posted: 9th Apr 2010 12:36 Edited at: 9th Apr 2010 12:45
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I think the only thing Steam on OSX will achieve is making some mac users very happy. Nobody in their right mind would buy a mac for gaming, least of all as an alternative to a PC.

The PC is going nowhere, gaming itself needs a bit of a shake up, and the PC might just instigate that. 3D gaming is the next step, and it's cheapest on the PC, best on the PC, and it's early adopters that determine the future of these things.

One thing the PC has adopted and will pump some fresh life into it, is the idea of free gaming, well nothing is for free, but it's the #1 platform for advertising financed web games. What if gaming evolves into something that is not a product we go and buy, but a service we subscribe to, or pay as we go, or pay nothing and just put up with advertising... the PC is ready to go, the consoles are not - the console manufacturer's are not even on the same radar with this. If the PC has thousands of very cheap, or free games, then people will take notice, people must get sick of paying £40 for 8 hours entertainment before long.

I think it's likely that the PC market will break up, into commercial, console style games and FPS - but application stores and advert-funding games will become more and more popular. Nobody likes using disks anymore, we want to select, install, then play with no need to patch, fix, debug issues which should have been taken care of. There's a lot wrong with traditional DVD games, just ask someone who's knocked their 360 over while it's reading from a disk.


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i dont mind using a cd, but not when i play it is ok for the install.


also no, i dont think the PC is dead, not for long.


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Posted: 9th Apr 2010 16:23
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also no, i dont think the PC is dead, not for long."



It'll be dead when the Ipad Takes off and Hp releases their clone of it. Lets face it: people just like the new stuff, unless its just downright terrible.(Which is why i dont understand how Vista survived?)

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Posted: 9th Apr 2010 16:54 Edited at: 9th Apr 2010 16:55
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Vista survived as many people brought a PC with it installed by default, or would have brought it on the advice of professionals, i know someone who was having problems with there virgin media Broadband, and the tech support told them if they update to vista,it would fix there problem, which it didn't.

Why cant there be a separate OS, Not windows but which can run all Windows Files\exe's, without using all my laptops resources...

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Quote: " virgin media Broadband, and the tech support told them if they update to vista,it would fix there problem, which it didn't."


I gave them ALOT of abuse when they told me that. I found out the porblem was on thier end aswell due to the 50mb connection's stealing everyone elses bandwidth. (still does)

Anyway Pc cant die, too much is based on thier systems, Im not sure on Ubunto and alike being Pc compatable?


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Quote: "[quote]Quote: "but you need a freaking internet connection EVERYWHERE""

Which isn't too far-fetched now.[/quote]

Think again.
I live in the outback of Australia, and we barely get an internet connection. If we do manage to get a connection, we are lucky with a few bars of service. Im at my library now paying by the hour for this internet, which is 80km away.

As for PC being dead, I disagree almost entirely.
I think it is thriving infact, but still is having trouble keeping up with apple.

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Yeah, Windows is not dead. Will probably never die. That is until Aperture comes out with their computer.

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I think microsoft would be better off selling windows for cheaper. If you ask me, £120 for a 3 computer liscence is stupid. If they sold it for say £50, I imagine everyone would be upgrading, and they would make more overall profit.

I can't see windows being replaced by Linux or Mac though. Everyone knows windows, and is familiar with it's interface and conventions. (When I say everyone, I mean your average user, like a lot of my friends, and parents etc). Everyone knows that Windows uses EXE files, imagine trying to force everyone to use linux? There would be chaos, especially as most things are programmed to work in windows. Most modern games use direct x, which again, won't run on mac or linux.

I don't understand how using OSX over windows can possibly have advantages when it comes to video editing or photo editing. But hey!

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Quote: "Do you think the PC (The Windows platform) is dead ? "


No.

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No, windows is not dead. Far from it, actually.

Quote: "It'll be dead when the Ipad Takes off and Hp releases their clone of it. Lets face it: people just like the new stuff, unless its just downright terrible.(Which is why i dont understand how Vista survived?)"


Um...was that serious? HP announced the HP Slate (much better name than the iPad, BTW) before Apple had announced they were making a tablet.

Not to mention, the mere idea of the iPad killing the PC is ridiculous. Can it play Crysis?

Vista "survived" because it blew XP out of the water. No joke. Even if it had a lot of problems initially (which I never experienced, strangely), they were fixed with Windows updates. The "problem" with Vista was that it received a TON of bad press, and people tried to run it on their 5 year old machines.

The iPad, on the other hand, received a TON of good press, especially from those who had a vested interest (which you would notice if you had payed attention). And then of course there are the iCattle. For example, why on earth would a school in Philadelphia give all their students a free iPad? There's no stylus support, so you can't take real notes. Typing is sure to be slower than on a laptop or PC (or a mac). I think that giving iPads away will only cause the students to spend more time playing around on their new device than to do homework.

Yes, it's all too clear how the iPad survives even though it fails as a computer.

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I don't think its dead, and I don't think this Chrome OS will change that really. I can see the chrome OS okay for netbooks (still wouldn't use it), but it certainly won't replace windows.
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I don't see how the iPad can be compared to a PC because its convenience lies somewhere else. The 'pad' products seem to have a different market. They're more or less a gadget of convenience for those who are willing to pay for them. I think it's meant to be a digitalised version of a notepad, stuff with computer-y features, something you might see in a Sci-Fi film.


However, there's no way I'd sit down and write and essay on an iPad or play a game.


In terms of PC vs Console, I think the competition is stronger from the console end, I've given up PC gaming because I found it just grow too inconvenient and well, I hated tweaking poorly optimised console ports, or games that ought to run properly, that don't. My XBox 360 on the other hand has none of the problems I seem to experience on a PC.


However, with things like Steam, I actually see PC gaming surviving, especially as they're now branching out onto Macs, and of course, Steam is useful when it comes to piracy protection. Then we also have OnLive on its way too. I think as long as game companies are making money out of it, they'll continue investing in the market, after all, not everybody is a console gamer and of course, the extra power offers more possibilities - I mean, consoles don't have Crysis quality graphics yet and well, you have more power for better quality physics as well.

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In reply to your question, no. I don't really have any arguments for this, probably because I haven't heard any good arguments as to how it'd be replaced.

Quote: "Which isn't too far-fetched now."


Eh, give it 20 years maybe.
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I actually live in a place where in one point you can get like 20 different internet connections from wifi all around, but then if you go like 5 miles north of it, their is not internet at all... well besides satellite internet(which in my mind is a waste)
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I think as a gaming platform it is starting to die. More and more people are getting irritated with DRM and so pirate games instead of buying them, which in turn leads to more and more intrusive DRM, which leads to more people pirating

It seems Microsoft is pushing their XBox as their gaming platform of choice with more and more games becoming console exclusives, or a sloppy PC port is released 6 months after the console release.

But I doubt Windows will die out as the OS of 'choice' any time soon.

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Once everyone starts buying macs the gaming industry will be taken back to the stone age and we will have to start making tetris and pacman games for the mac before we evolve up to Crysis and AC2 level

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Quote: "Lets face it: people just like the new stuff, unless its just downright terrible.(Which is why i dont understand how Vista survived?)"


Then why is there an Amstrad, Commodore and Atari emulator out there? There are people that are so connected with the old machines, that they won't let go. Why is there a N64 emulator out there? Why is there a SNES emulator out there? There's even a NES emulator...

My point is, yes, there are people that like new stuff, but most people stick to the old stuff. This is why the PC is not going to die for a long time.

Quote: "I can't see windows being replaced by Linux or Mac though. Everyone knows windows, and is familiar with it's interface and conventions. (When I say everyone, I mean your average user, like a lot of my friends, and parents etc). Everyone knows that Windows uses EXE files, imagine trying to force everyone to use linux? There would be chaos, especially as most things are programmed to work in windows. Most modern games use direct x, which again, won't run on mac or linux."


LINUX is able to use exe files. The conversion is just not perfect yet. DirectX now does run on LINUX, there are just a lot of bugs. But hey, YOU try to reverse engineer exe files.

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Also, How many designers and developers are working in Windows or Mac? I don't think there will be more than 50.

LINUX on the other hand is open source, and there are thousands of people developing it. It's going to be impossible for Max or Windows to keep up with it.

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I live in the outback of Australia, and we barely get an internet connection. If we do manage to get a connection, we are lucky with a few bars of service. Im at my library now paying by the hour for this internet, which is 80km away."


u know, for example, Ubisoft is requiring all their future games ((started with ASS CREED 2)) to have internet connection 100% of the time u play, temporarily internet down = game terminates instantly.. this is their new anti pirate crap wich i totally od NOT support (only reason to why i havent got Ass creed 2 yet).


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You don't suppose the PC could become the domain of Independent Game Developers, do you? Although the XNA thing is trying to shave the edge off of that... I think...

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I like my old stuff just as much as the new. I've got my c64 operational, but let's face it, I'd rather play Assassins Creed 2 on the PC. It's pretty awesome

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Quote: "but let's face it, I'd rather play Assassins Creed 2 on the PC. It's pretty awesome"


sure the game is awesome, i would probably like the game, i dont like the antipirate system tho, having to be connected to internet 100% of the time? ill pass on that thx ubisoft

if that becomes standard then i really think the PC is dead.

having to be connected to internet to play singel player games? watch movie on the computer? listen to music? naaaahh....


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Quote: "having to be connected to internet to play singel player games"

Quote: "u know, for example, Ubisoft is requiring all their future games ((started with ASS CREED 2)) to have internet connection 100% of the time u play, temporarily internet down = game terminates instantly.. this is their new anti pirate crap wich i totally od NOT support (only reason to why i havent got Ass creed 2 yet)."


Im not sure if this is true, because most of my games are purchased through steam, but any other game bought outside of it that must be activated through steam, also requires an internet connection to play, because you must be logged on to steam (which requires the internet) initialize the game process.

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Because the N64 is like, awesome.

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Quote: "Im not sure if this is true, because most of my games are purchased through steam, but any other game bought outside of it that must be activated through steam, also requires an internet connection to play, because you must be logged on to steam (which requires the internet) initialize the game process."


That's not really uncommon for steam games. Not saying I'm a particular fan of the DRM used or of Steam in general, but I can say that I've been waiting all year for AC2, so I'm playing it now whether I like the DRM or not

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Yep, all of the current releases (and future apparently) require a constant contention.


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The PC isn't dead, but Windows as a platform stopped bringing anything new or fresh to the table a few years ago... which in my mind is as good as dead. It's all very incremental, 'safe' and compatibility-oriented.

There's nothing daring or risky. Which is arguably expected from a massive corporation - but at the same time quite ironic considering MSes origins (both as a counter-culture versus IBM, and the fact their first business win was convincing IBM to buy into a non-existent OS )

Not to mention that Google is also a huge corporation and still manages pretty decent doses of risk and innovation

"Who dares, wins" as the saying goes

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Quote: "Im not sure if this is true, because most of my games are purchased through steam, but any other game bought outside of it that must be activated through steam, also requires an internet connection to play, because you must be logged on to steam (which requires the internet) initialize the game process."


u do know that u can connect to stam offline mode and still play most of those games right?


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They pretty much have to be safe. Introducing radical new features opens the door for more issues with backdoor hacks and viruses. They seem to be iterating and solidifying their core UI, and personally I can't think of too many things that are missing from Windows 7 that I absolutely need.


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Quote: "and personally I can't think of too many things that are missing from Windows 7 that I absolutely need."


A Mac obviously.



But yes, I agree. Windows 7 seems to function very well. Fast, responsive, well laid out, ergonomic, a decent number of useful and convenient features. No doubt they'll find more to add in the future, but I don't see how MS could have done anything radical and make things more interesting. I think they're very well set in their shoes. And as a customer, I'd rather have a decent product, rather than something experimental that I'm not happy to use. Google I think has fewer risks - for a start, do they have paying customers to please? No, because that's not how they're funded - all they need is to keep sustain the services people do use to stay alive. Google stills works like a charm and Google ads are everywhere, not even Microsoft's Bing or Yahoo are able to compete, I mean, their search engine is now a verb, which is decent advertisement: "hey, I want to find out where Elvis' secret nuclear bunker is", "well, google it!"

Though, I really need to fork out money and buy Windows 7, I loved the beta and I actually miss using it (how sad is that?) Going back to Vista wasn't great, because although I had a powerful laptop and I never had a problem with it, it was still sluggish in comparison...even in comparison to XP, which I am now using on a PC older than your average FPSC user (bought in 2002).

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Since, nobody's asked...

Quote: "Do you think the PC (The Windows platform) is dead ?"


For me, the days of the Win-Tel monopoly ( we've got you for life) strong hold are gently subsiding.. Which is really evident in our local retail environment.

There's nothing to worry about, Windows isn't going to vanish any time soon. It just signifies that consumers have regained some real choice in the market place.

Choice is a good thing ! Choice ='s competition, competition is more innovation/better prices etc. Ultimately a better deal for us as customers.


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Posted: 13th Apr 2010 01:55 Edited at: 13th Apr 2010 01:55
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As long as there's still several million people playing poop like WoW and several million people on Steam every day, the PC clearly isn't "dead".

There are currently 149,083 playing Runescape, and about 8000 playing Left 4 Dead 2. (These aren't figures I like, but hey, I wouldn't call 158,000 on merely 2 games dead)

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Shadowtroid
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Posted: 13th Apr 2010 02:07
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Yes, but Steam is going to incorporate Macs soon.

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Posted: 13th Apr 2010 02:33
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Not yet, but miniturisation of technology'll kill it off...

Eventually it'll come to a point where having technology the size of a PC isn't much better than the new iPod, because it'll get where graphical improvement/speed/multitasking won't be all that noticeable...

http://dystopiawipb.blogspot.com/
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Posted: 13th Apr 2010 17:56
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Quote: " I can't think of too many things that are missing from Windows 7 that I absolutely need."


Yeah but that's the thing - granted, Win7 may well be very good, but often innovations aren't normally things where you can say "I need that". They tend to be "nice to haves" that you don't really think about until they arrive

For example, if you think of the shift to tabbed browsers - few people would have thought or said "I need tabbed browsing" before they appeared. They knew windowed browsing wasn't the best, but they lived with it. Innovation tends to fix the mundane "tolerable" things we forget about, rather than adding in obvious needs (because the obvious needs become the base features of pretty much all the products on the market. The innovations are what set one apart from another)

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Posted: 13th Apr 2010 18:50
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about the win 7 thing, i had say that windows isnt really the op for programmers and such, for those people Linux or solaris is more suited. Windows is more for the.. ehh.. "casual user" or the player, Windows 7 is very quick and is a lot more flexible than any other windows ive ever tried. i really like it.


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Posted: 13th Apr 2010 19:27 Edited at: 13th Apr 2010 19:28
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MS don't have a good reputation for well polished OSs. Because of my poor experiences with Win98 and XP, I almost bought a Mac, I know people berate Macs, but the OS is very well polished and, well, I decided to buy for power, trusting Vista would be okay. I never encountered problems with Vista (I know other people have), but it was sluggish. Windows 7 on the other hand: it's well polished and quick. That was not something I would have expected from Microsoft.

I think for Windows 7, they got the balance right - the more time they would have spent on innovation would have meant less time spent on ergonomics, responsiveness and stability.

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I quite like Windows 7, although I have run into a few strange issues (this is more due to my laptop model, not the OS). The only "major" complaint I have is that windows don't stay above the taskbar...they actually "fall" under it if you push them up too high or drag them too long. No big deal really.


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