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JoelJ
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Posted: 20th Apr 2010 08:02
Can't believe that this hasn't been posted yet. It's all over the interwebs today.

Someone testing the next generation of the iPhone left the prototype at a bar. Someone picked it up, and sent it over to Gizmodo. Who now has pictures and specs posted.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2010 08:14
It looks really nice, but too bad I can't get one hehe.


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Michael P
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Posted: 20th Apr 2010 15:55
I was reading today (And yes I'm to lazy to get a link to back me up!) that this could be a marketing ploy from Apple to distract everyone. Apple are usually pretty secretive about their products so I don't really think this could be an actually real prototype.

Then again I've been known to be wrong.

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Posted: 20th Apr 2010 16:29 Edited at: 20th Apr 2010 16:32
Prototypes have shown up before (on eBay especially). The main noticeable thing about them is that the cases and branding tend to be very different from the final product . So whilst the front facing camera is a good sign, we should obviously take this with a pinch of salt

One of the Macbook Air prototypes, for example, had a down-sized body of an older Macbook Pro complete with old power button etc. - but with a new keyboard. Clearly this was unfinished - but we only know that because we know the end result. We don't know the end result in this case, so it's tricky to know what's real/final and what's cobbled from spare parts (if any)

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Posted: 20th Apr 2010 20:05
I know that phone developers regularly give their employees prototypes to test out on their own, myself included. I would believe that this could theoretically happen. If I lost one of my mobile prototypes out in the wild I'd probably be pretty nervous though


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Posted: 20th Apr 2010 21:22
Yeah, I can't imagine what it must be like to be the guy who lost that phone. It must feel pretty awkward to have your boss come up to you the following morning and say "So, guess what I've been seeing on Yahoo, MSN, and Gizmodo? YOUR iPHONE PROTOTYPE!!"

I wouldn't want to be him.

Aside from that, I hope the design they're showing is the final one. I kinda like the square-ish shape.


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Posted: 21st Apr 2010 05:26
I think it looks pretty sweet as well. But, what if they change more of the design because it was leaked?

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Posted: 21st Apr 2010 06:16
Quote: "what if they change more of the design because it was leaked?"


Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. But since I'm not going to buy one regardless, it really doesn't matter.

An interesting theory has been thrown around; a lot of people think this was all a publicity stunt thought up by Apple in order to stir up a buzz and do some free marketing/advertisement. They are only a few months from releasing/announcing the new iPhone anyhoo, so I guess I see where people can think that.


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Posted: 27th Apr 2010 22:29
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Posted: 27th Apr 2010 23:33
Quote: ""So, guess what THE WHOLE WORLD has been seeing on Yahoo, MSN, and Gizmodo? YOUR iPHONE PROTOTYPE!!""


Fixed it for ya

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Posted: 27th Apr 2010 23:38
BULLSHOCK 2:
Just saw that and was about to post it, you beat me too it...so I guess it wasn't a hoax.


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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 06:37
http://gizmodo.com/5524843/police-seize-jason-chens-computers

There's the original link along with scans of the search warrants and exactly what they took. It's pretty nuts, especially since he gave the iPhone back before this even took place. I think San Mateo County (the county that approved the search warrant) is the ones to blame for this.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 08:00
That's pretty shady. I wonder if Steve give the San Mateo Judge a free iPhone or something.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 16:26 Edited at: 28th Apr 2010 16:35
Quote: "That's pretty shady"


Not really - the guy that originally found the phone knew it was valuable / not his. The fact he sold it on for $$$ points to the fact that this was not a "Whoops I stumbled upon it" situation.

Obviously Gizmodo (being who bought it from the original guy that found it) allow the police to track backward to the guy they bought it off of. So that's why they're being raided

Because at the end of the day, this is handling of stolen goods. You may say "Well it wasn't stolen - it was found" - which is fair enough. But the fact it was then sold on probably crosses a legal line

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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 18:35 Edited at: 28th Apr 2010 18:36
You can't really place it squarely into the area of selling stolen property. While it is also slightly shady for the guy to want to sell it for five grand, you've got to remember that it's sensitive information, newsworthy, valuable information for the consumer public. He wasn't selling some iPhone he stole from somebody, he was selling news. Why shouldn't this fall under the shield law? This move by Apple or whoever was a little excessive, especially considering that by this time Chen had already returned the phone.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 19:37
I agree with David R.


Quote: "While it is also slightly shady for the guy to want to sell it for five grand, you've got to remember that it's sensitive information, newsworthy, valuable information for the consumer public. He wasn't selling some iPhone he stole from somebody, he was selling news."


Umm...yeah...I really don't see how that's going to get by in the legal papers.
He can claim that he was selling "just news" all he wants, but he was really selling the iPhone for five-thousand freakin' dollars. It doesn't matter if you "found" the phone and didn't "steal" it; selling it is what matters here. He found something, and KNOWINGLY sold it for a huge amount of money anonymously, instead of trying (or trying harder) to find the actual owner and return it. That is where the law was broken.


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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:45
This isn't just "slightly shady", as you put it BearCDP. Did they even think to look up the name of the person on the phone? Or to call one of his contacts and give it to them? They had plenty of options before them.

Obviously they didn't really care about returning the phone. The guy who sold it wanted cash, and Gizmodo wanted a big story.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:56
Quote: "This isn't just "slightly shady", as you put it BearCDP. Did they even think to look up the name of the person on the phone? Or to call one of his contacts and give it to them? They had plenty of options before them."


Not to defend him, but they zapped it pretty quickly. Though obviously it was a iphone and he never returned it.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 22:58 Edited at: 28th Apr 2010 23:00
Quote: "Did they even think to look up the name of the person on the phone? Or to call one of his contacts and give it to them? They had plenty of options before them."


According to the Giz. write-up the guy insisted he called Apple multiple times (about the phone) and received no info or reply. However, considering that the only guy who was a witness to him taking the phone in the first place was supposedly a 'very drunk guy' (how convenient) I would take this stuff with a pinch of salt. I get the impression that he actually just pinched it, and is covering his tracks now he realises this is a big deal

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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 04:12 Edited at: 29th Apr 2010 04:13
How was he supposed to find the Apple employee, and how could he have known until he brought the phone home and played with it that it was a 4G? He's just some goof, nobody at Apple would likely talk to him. What else to do but give it to somebody who can talk to somebody important at Apple? The story said he walked around the bar asking if anybody knew the guy who left the phone. I say "slightly shady" because honestly, giving it up to a tech blog is not the worst thing in the world you could do with it.

It's shady because he profited from it, yes. But the act of giving it to a news source is not something to judge him for--especially since he reported from the get-go, BEFORE Chen's house got searched, that he tried to return it to Apple. Apple probably didn't want to answer him because they knew it would fuel the publicity fire, and the guy could still report it to somebody like Gizmodo, so they left him in the dark, hoping he'd go away.

It seems like the question arising here is whether or not this is theft:

Quote: "CAL. PEN. CODE ยง 485 :
One who finds lost property under circumstances which give him knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is guilty of theft."


Given how little we know about the minute-to-minute actions of all parties involved, and since the guy did say he tried to call Apple, who are we to judge whether or not his efforts to find the owner were reasonable and just? The guy is innocent until proven guilty.

And, considering that he's just some schmoe who happened to find an iPhone, I don't see why Apple or anyone should care about whether this guy broke penal code 485 or not. Gizmodo already published the story, the internet already knows about the 4G, and taking punitive action against this guy--who probably fits the exact demographic of your typical Gizmodo reader and iPhone/Apple in general customer, it's a bad move with regard to PR.

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Apple makes me 100% sick. I'm not going to lie, they offer awesome products, and I myself own an iPhone, but due to their shady business techniques, I refuse to buy another product from them.

12 minutes after the iPad was revealed, an Apple employee showed and demonstrated it to Apple's former founder, Steve Wozniak, was fired. Everything with Apple always has to be secretive. I could tell you right now, if I ever got tight with Apple management, I would TANK the company by revealing ALL of its secrets. That's terrible when you can't even show your own founder the new products. To me, I don't consider Steve Jobs the one who founded Apple. All Jobs could be credited for, is being a good spokesperson. He never once programmed a line of code, he didn't design the hardware, all he did was yell and abuse his employees. When you have people committing suicide in China over loosing prototypes, that is when a company needs to be investigated.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2010 19:52 Edited at: 30th Apr 2010 19:55
Quote: "12 minutes after the iPad was revealed, an Apple employee showed and demonstrated it to Apple's former founder, Steve Wozniak, was fired. "


Well, considering Wozniak is not an Apple employee.... this is not exactly surprising. You could say it's harsh but then I'm guessing any Apple employee is briefed on security and secrecy of the products. It's not as if they don't know their company hinges on security

Woz may have been an employee 'back in the day' but he certainly isn't now. As far as (what I assume Apple's internal rules are) he is just an average Joe member of the public.

Revealing a secret just-revealed product to him is no better than demonstrating it to a press member or something - and without your company's permission, what do you expect?

+ I place bets that 99% of the employees at Apple have either very strict employment contracts or NDAs etc. popping out of their eyeballs

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Posted: 30th Apr 2010 20:22
I may be on the side of not going after the bar guy and Gizmodo, but I have to agree it's bad if you actually work for the company and give out proprietary information on purpose. Woz is no longer Apple, and if it was really okay for him to see the iPad early, Jobs would have shown it to him himself, or appointed somebody to do it.

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First, the Woz is an apple employee, the engineer was fired for showing the device *before* it was released, and as far as i can tell nobody knows for sure that he was fired because he showed the Woz, it's only speculation.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20003384-37.html

Just wanted to point that out. I personally don't believe in apple products, policies or their work culture, and will therefore not buy any apple products nor recommend them to friends.

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Quote: "First, the Woz is an apple employee, "


No - he was an Apple employee - he left Apple 23 years ago

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Quote: ""And I'm an Apple employee who he was showing it to," Wozniak wrote. "


http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20003384-37.html

Either he's back or he was misquoted.

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Actually, he said:

Quote: "it's interesting that the employee who showed me an iPad for 2 minutes during the iPad launch wait got fired."


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Quote: "Wozniak said he did not learn that the "test engineer" was fired until later and he speculated in his e-mail that he thinks the engineer wasn't supposed to show anyone an iPad 3G version or that he showed the device before he was allowed. "And I'm an Apple employee who he was showing it to," Wozniak wrote."


By "Apple employee" he was most likely trying to say something along the lines of "I FREAKING CO-FOUNDED APPLE."

If it was 2 minutes early at a launch party, that's a questionable termination. Crispex's original post made it sound as though this happened while it was still in development.

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Woz is still considered an Apple employee. He receives a paycheck from them, I assume weekly.

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Whoopsie, you're right:
http://www.woz.org/letters/general/53.html

Also, I think this video sums up my own feelings nicely:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20003726-71.html

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