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xyzz1233
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2010 23:48 Edited at: 23rd Apr 2010 23:56
So today at school I found out that I'm in trouble for the most unforgivable type of computer crime... using remote desktop. *gasp*

And I'm not in some mild amount of trouble... This is like possibly being barred from using the school computers for the rest of the year.

Is their reaction to this ridiculous? I mean, I didn't do anything bad or illegal or anything while on my computer from school. It might not have been school related, but does it matter when you are in study hall with nothing to do?
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Posted: 23rd Apr 2010 23:58
Well, yes it does. There are rules at school, and they entrust you to use their expensive tech wisely. It may not have been that bad, but if they say you cannot do it, then you can't.

And by the way, you could probably ruin a computer with remote desktop.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 00:02 Edited at: 24th Apr 2010 00:03
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Well, yes it does. There are rules at school, and they entrust you to use their expensive tech wisely. It may not have been that bad, but if they say you cannot do it, then you can't.

And by the way, you could probably ruin a computer with remote desktop."


That's the thing, though.
According the network access agreement thing that everyone has to sign, the second priority of users on the network should be non-education related telecommunications. Remote desktop falls under that category, so I don't get why I'm in the wrong here.
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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 00:15
I jack whole copies of my computer into the schools and boot off that when i need some specific program or outside source.

Whats the deal with remote desktops anyway? They were advertised as the god of out of town networking so why is it so bad for him to use it?

Few reasons i that i came to that could be the cause;

virus/ i dont know how it works but the other comp is linked to schools so.

Illegal, innapropreate gear, wearz porn that kinda thing.

Bypass blocks/filters

or does the host have access to the shool netwoek. I dont know someone needs to explain it to me lol.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 00:18
I don't think any of them really get what remote desktop does... All they get is that I downloaded a program that magically shows the screen of another computer and they won't stand for that.

As for the booting from external media thing, I could never get that to work at school. I tried with a Fedora LiveUSB, but it just hangs after you select the OS in GRUB.
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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 00:18
Quote: "Well, yes it does. There are rules at school, and they entrust you to use their expensive tech wisely. It may not have been that bad, but if they say you cannot do it, then you can't.

And by the way, you could probably ruin a computer with remote desktop."


That... doesn't make any sense.

Anyways, tell the truth, you were doing it to bypass filters. So duh, you got busted. Face the consequences!

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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 00:22 Edited at: 24th Apr 2010 00:30
Quote: "Anyways, tell the truth, you were doing it to bypass filters. So duh, you got busted. Face the consequences!"


Nope. I was actually programming something in C# with Visual Studio.
I mean, in all honesty, I use proxies if I wanna bypass the filter. Not that I'm watching some "inappropriate stuff". More like trying to get images for a project when Google Images is blocked.
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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 00:23
Quote: "Anyways, tell the truth, you were doing it to bypass filters. So duh, you got busted."


That's kind of what I'm thinking...

Chances are, they (the school) think/believe that you were trying to either view inappropriate things from your computer (I'm not saying you're like that, but that's probably what they think), or that you were trying to run a program you weren't supposed to. Heck, they might even think you were trying to hack into the school's network and infect every computer in it with a virus.

Or, there is a specific rule against it that you missed. Double-check on that before you start claiming that it was allowed. Chances are, it isn't allowed, period.


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Quote: "That... doesn't make any sense."


How?

But yes, as a general rule, don't download anything onto the school computers. Unless instructed by a teacher. Otherwise people tend to get mad at you.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 00:50
yeah, a little research in, an i can see why it would be banned. At least on booting up my os i can cant access the server, so i dont think that thier all too fussed.

Oh shadow post on the postin comp, i cant =__-

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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 01:01 Edited at: 24th Apr 2010 01:04
Schools need to have some sort of Geek/Nerd ID so people who use remote desktops or proxies for malicious purposes can be stopped, but we flash that card and it would be like "oh you know what your doing." I mean for god sakes I have been in this exact situation though I used it in class and I was told to stop, but with no backup with his argument (the teacher). What exactly would you do that's bad? First of all social networking only lasts so long, streaming media (i.e YouTube, Dailymotion) would be pointless, Warez you shouldn't even be doing at home, let alone on a school connection, and porn well, I mean you aren't going any farther then looking a photo, at least I hope your not during class. I can't stand "specific" tech teachers! There the ones that only can do one thing good on a computer such as photo editing, coding, moddeling, ect, but what it comes to actually understanding how to do anything with an OS they freak out at the first sign of something different (YOU OPENED THE RECYCLE BIN?! That's a cesspool for viruses, you sir and mad and getting a detention!) Still though what are you going to do? I mean it's the schools rules you can't go against them and even if you do likely you won't change anything.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 01:38
Quote: "And by the way, you could probably ruin a computer with remote desktop."


You can't ruin a computer with remote desktop.

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If they didn't want you to use remote desktop, why didn't they disable in the first place?

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Posted: 24th Apr 2010 04:13
Ask a teacher who is computer literate to speak to whoever then, barring you from the computers because of what sounds to be purely conjecture at this point is ridiculous.

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Posted: 25th Apr 2010 04:44
Quote: "If they didn't want you to use remote desktop, why didn't they disable in the first place?"


So they can bust him..

If they don't want Drunk people driving, why don't they put breathalyzers in every car?
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I'm guessing you're talking about a high school computer?

I found that to be the case in mine as well. Some friends and I were actually taking a programming course, and were writing little crappy console programs and testing them in the library. When the librarian walked around and saw what we were she flipped out.

We tried to explain, "We're just trying to make asterisk pyramids," but she tuned us out and called the IT guy, who clearly did not give two turds and just told us to stop and walked away. The librarian then tried to ban us from the library for the rest of the year. Luckily that didn't go through.

I can understand the librarian getting scared, she had no way of knowing what we were doing. But that IT guy was just lazy or stupid. Like most public school IT people are. Luckly in college it gets a little better. They don't freak out about you doing anything, because they're smart enough to properly block what they don't want you using.

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Posted: 25th Apr 2010 11:30
Maybe using a remote desktop is against your schools rules (or it would help you break them) but this does smack of "I am the authority and I don't understand what you are doing therefore you are undermining my authority!"
Your IT guy probably knows it is harmless (if it is I really don't know about this ) but he probably doesn't care and is too drunk all the time anyway if he is anything like my old school IT guy
He ended up getting sacked and came back and burned down the IT department!!!

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Posted: 25th Apr 2010 12:14
Quote: "I am the authority and I don't understand what you are doing therefore you are undermining my authority"


spoken like a true australian telecommunications or media classification minister

*sigh* if only it weren't true

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Quote: "spoken like a true australian telecommunications or media classification minister"


Too true.

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Posted: 25th Apr 2010 13:06
One day my librarian checked what I was doing in class on the computer. I was on an MSN group looking at Pivot animations, and when she asked me what it was I just said 'Oh, it's sort of like a forum for our animation class...'. She just put on this 'wut' expression and said 'Okay, carry on...'
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Posted: 26th Apr 2010 21:10
So I got suspended for three days + banned from the computers for this year. I am, however, going to appeal this decision and hopefully if that works out I get my computer use back and stuff.

It seems like the IT guy wants to blame me... He insists that using remote desktop is like harmful or something.

But if it is, why did he spy on over VNC (ironic... he's using remote desktop to blame me for using remote desktop) for a while rather than tell me to stop right then and there?
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Posted: 26th Apr 2010 23:39
Quote: "ironic... he's using remote desktop to blame me for using remote desktop"
No, that's not ironic. He is in charge of the computers so he has more access to more programs than the students. You should have just followed the school's direction, regardless of what you think you should be able to do.


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lol, this reminds me of the time my friend took advantage of a loophole in the school library computers and downloaded Steam and played Doom III until he got caught. He got in big trouble for that.

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Why?

School computers are normally intended to be used for school reasons, which normally then blocks anything not school related, including a lot of web sites.

People then use proxy to get around them, and that is a big no-no.

Remote access is a proxy with more control, therefor, breaking most school's T&C.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2010 16:55
I once got my network privilages taken off me for playing 1st GTA on the network with a few other people at college. This was the first time we'd done it, because we was near the end of the course. My god what were we thinking playing games...on a games course! We got the net back within about 15 minutes after getting the tutor to have a chat with the IT guy though
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Posted: 27th Apr 2010 20:28
Quote: "Bypass blocks/filters"


That was my first thought, not to mention the obvious security risk. I'm kind of surprised the network let you even connect remotely, unless it just goes through port 80 or something.


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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 06:52 Edited at: 28th Apr 2010 06:53
The problem with what they are accusing me of is that it does not break any of the rules set out in the network agreement thing... If anything, the agreement encourages it, by stating that the second priority of the network is telecommunications, and that the purpose of the network is to assist in the exchange of information, and to facilitate personal growth in the use of technology. What I was doing over remote desktop falls under all of those things.

Quote: "Bypass blocks/filters"


About the circumventing the filter thing, I didn't go on the web over remote desktop. I just programmed. So while the opportunity for me to go around the filter was there, I didn't take that opportunity. And plus, the opportunity to go around the filter is always there. Pretty much everyone at my school knows at least one unblocked proxy. It's just a matter of them using it... Which I didn't.
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Posted: 28th Apr 2010 19:06
Quote: "So today at school I found out that I'm in trouble for the most unforgivable type of computer crime... using remote desktop. *gasp*

And I'm not in some mild amount of trouble... This is like possibly being barred from using the school computers for the rest of the year.

Is their reaction to this ridiculous? I mean, I didn't do anything bad or illegal or anything while on my computer from school. It might not have been school related, but does it matter when you are in study hall with nothing to do? "


Well, in answer to your question, from what you're posting, it would seem that you are more in the wrong than the school. Let me explain...

The only circumstances anyone on these forums knows are what you tell them. And, most likely, there's more sides to the story than just yours. A huge mistake that a lot of people make, is thinking that they are entitled to do whatever they want because they themselves judge it as reasonable. But the action may be considered unreasonable by any other party that is involved or affected.

A school has many responsibilities that go beyond "not liking" the fact that you used software or a method that wasn't approved on a computer that is reserved for public use (not yours).

There are a whole series of liabilities the school has to consider. Has the student exposed themselves or any other student to any potential or actual dangers? Has a door been opened for other students to use the public computers for any detremental non-school related interaction or activites? Does this exposure violate any public trust with the parents or the community? Does the fact that any safety features or management features were sidestepped indicate a network vulnerability or potential exposure by the general student body to what could be inappropriate or dangerous material or interaction? Is this kid responsible for the recent cyber attack that the school hasn't made public or is this kid related to the events that led to the cyber attack?

There are a whole series of things that may be taking place that you are unaware of or haven't even considered. Your willingness to ignore the rules and connect externally to whatever source suggests that you feel the rules don't apply to you and from your post on the forum, you don't consider the act a big deal which that attitude alone as viewed by the school, may be the driving force of them seeking discipline.

However, if you truly believe you are being treated unfairly, or are being targetted or being made an example of, then you can fight against the actions taken by the school. If you feel this is an actual injustice and that you are not in the wrong, you can appeal to the school board, you can get your parents and a lawyer involved, etc.

At the very least, there should be a discussion with the principal and your parents on why your actions merited suspension.

Quote: "The problem with what they are accusing me of is that it does not break any of the rules set out in the network agreement thing... If anything, the agreement encourages it, by stating that the second priority of the network is telecommunications, and that the purpose of the network is to assist in the exchange of information, and to facilitate personal growth in the use of technology. What I was doing over remote desktop falls under all of those things."


This isn't a valid arguement especially without producing the entire agreement and also it has to be weighed against the other rules of the school.

That's like taking the statment "we encourage learning" to justify viewing porn in school so the kids can see "how it's done."

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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 01:41
But the problem is that their policies aren't clear. If they didn't want you to use remote desktop, why didn't they make stuff in the agreement directly related to remote desktop and SSH and stuff?

And plus, what the tech guy did was borderline entrapment... Watching me over VNC and waiting for me to do something "bad," not to mention the fact that all of the screenshots he took of me are obviously made to look incriminating. Isn't he supposed to have my best interest at heart?


Quote: "other rules of the school"

What other rules? The policies are so vague that it's not clear what is right or wrong, aside from the usual stuff like porn and Facebook. I truly believe that I am both within the terms and also the "spirit" of the network agreement.


Quote: "Does the fact that any safety features or management features were sidestepped indicate a network vulnerability or potential exposure by the general student body to what could be inappropriate or dangerous material or interaction?"

Nothing was sidestepped here. If you are talking about avoiding the web filter, I did not take the opportunity to use the internet while on remote desktop, just like if someone resists the opportunity to use a proxy or something.


Quote: "That's like taking the statment "we encourage learning" to justify viewing porn in school so the kids can see "how it's done.""

That's different, because my reasoning behind using remote desktop was to work and also learn in the process. Watching porn isn't about learning, not to mention the various moral/religious issues with it which don't exist when programming.


Quote: "However, if you truly believe you are being treated unfairly, or are being targetted or being made an example of, then you can fight against the actions taken by the school. If you feel this is an actual injustice and that you are not in the wrong, you can appeal to the school board, you can get your parents and a lawyer involved, etc."

We've already got an attorney. The issue is that we need to work within their system because this isn't something you can really take to court over. As a result, they have the advantage because they are in charge, whether or not I am "right" (whatever right is)


Quote: "At the very least, there should be a discussion with the principal and your parents on why your actions merited suspension."

He refused to talk. Whenever I tried to ask him questions, even about the procedure of suspensions and things, he threatened me with an 80 day suspension. That's obviously out of the scope of the punishments outlined within the student handbook, not to mention a violation of my 8th Amendment right.
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I don't agree with the punishment, nor the fact that remote desktop is bad. I use it all day long at work. However, you are in school and there are rules and regulations, and sometimes you will need to use a bit of common sense as well. "Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire" (I love that quote! ) You probably knew you shouldn't be doing it.

Quote: "We've already got an attorney. "



You will lose. All they have to say is that you were using a program that circumvented the school's filters. I am sure there is something in the agreement you signed that says you can't do that.

Justifying, rationalizing, and minimizing are all forms of denial. A denial that you are in the wrong. Whether you like it or not, you should just live with it, leave your pride out of the picture and be happy that there are only a few more weeks left in school that you can't use the computer. If you are not a senior, then don't remote desktop next year.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 07:19
Quote: "And plus, what the tech guy did was borderline entrapment... Watching me over VNC and waiting for me to do something "bad," not to mention the fact that all of the screenshots he took of me are obviously made to look incriminating. Isn't he supposed to have my best interest at heart?"


Entrapment?? Noooo. This is a school. It's standard practice to monitor what the students are doing. Hell, they even do it at many work forces. At any time IT can watch what I'm doing on my computer.


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Give them something to gawk over Jeku

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Quote: "I don't think any of them really get what remote desktop does... All they get is that I downloaded a program that magically shows the screen of another computer and they won't stand for that."
emphasis is mine.

Remote desktop doesn't require that you download any program. What program did you download and could it be that you downloaded and installed a third party program that caused the issue?

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Quote: "they even do it at many work forces"

I was thinking about that, so I asked someone I know who is a program manager for Progressive. He says that in corporate America, they would either warn you first, or the terms of network use would be clearer.


Quote: "Remote desktop doesn't require that you download any program. What program did you download and could it be that you downloaded and installed a third party program that caused the issue?"

They have Macs at school, so there is no built-in remote desktop support on the RDP protocol. Only VNC.

The program I downloaded was CoRD. It's open source, hosted on Sourceforge, etc. We download stuff like that in other classes all of the time, with and without permission and they are fine with it.
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Quote: "We download stuff like that in other classes all of the time"


And you can install anything you download "with and without permission and they are fine with it."?

It just seems like we're not getting the whole story.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2010 21:43 Edited at: 29th Apr 2010 21:43
Quote: "And you can install anything you download "with and without permission and they are fine with it."?

It just seems like we're not getting the whole story."

It's inherently true that I'm biased. Just like everyone else is.

What I was saying is that as long as it does not clearly break any rules and is from a reputable source, we can put anything on the computers and the tech people are okay with us doing that.
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Quote: "What I was saying is that as long as it does not clearly break any rules and is from a reputable source, we can put anything on the computers and the tech people are okay with us doing that."


Can you confirm this? Every school and workplace I've been to has always been very uptight about anything you download.

The reason for this is twofold:

1. They don't know if anything you download/install could break something in their network that they spent a lot of time setting up.

2. They don't know if the free license for that software is legal for installation at their institution.

My high school and university specifically prohibit any installation of any applications outside of a few they provide download links for on their own website. The company I last worked at maintained a database of open-source/freeware software and the corresponding setup programs of versions that they knew were compatible with the company network and legal for the company's use (no GPL libraries for example--even though I was in the software engineering department).

Most likely, your school does not have anything so complicated set up that you'll be able to break it by installing a program, but you can't know for certain unless you gets the info straight from the guy who set it up or whoever maintains it.

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Posted: 2nd May 2010 11:12
Quote: "why did he spy on over VNC (ironic... he's using remote desktop to blame me for using remote desktop)"


Which were you doing? Remote Desktop and VNC are 2 different technologies. Remote Desktop opens up a couple of vulnerabilities with transferring data. VNC has it's own contentious issues with snooping (which you can't do with Remote Desktop).

You need to know which you're doing before you can interpret the policies.

Regarding being monitored, in the UK the legalities are: If they watch you, then they are responsible for anything you do, so if you doing anything illegal they become liable. If they don't reserve the right to check your mail or monitor your activity, then you are legally responsible for what you do. Thus, if they have a monitoring policy then they really do need to be strict about what you do, and where it's debatable they should prevent it.

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I've worked in many schools, and the policy has always been the same. NO ONE other than the IT Technician is to install ANY SOFTWARE on ANY COMPUTER within the school. I can't see that your school's policy would be much different.

All this talk of lawyers is pathetic. You broke a rule, now just accept the punishment. Why is it that people can't take responsibilities for their actions anymore?

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When you use remote desktop, you're voiding the network policy. Though it only speaks generally of things, you cannot do that sort of thing. That's circumventing the network in order to bypass filters.

That being said, Thraxas, Windows XP (what most schools still use) comes with a built in remote desktop client that can be accessed by any student unless restricted. I'm an IT for a couple schools as a side job to earn some money, and the biggest problem we're having now is not the remote desktop client, is the browser-side client LogMeIn.

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Posted: 15th May 2010 01:40 Edited at: 15th May 2010 01:42
So today we got a call from the deputy superintendent informing us that my suspension would be removed from my record and that my computer use is reinstated.

They, however, do believe that this was all in violation of the agreement. The reasons they revoked everything were that they lost my signed network agreement, that the tech guy spied on me for like a week before doing anything (which really is entrapment, at least according to my lawyer), and probably that they understand that their agreement does not cover stuff like remote desktop and that they don't want to have this type of legal trouble on their hands if we choose to take this a step further, although they don't publicly admit that.


Quote: "Which were you doing? Remote Desktop and VNC are 2 different technologies. Remote Desktop opens up a couple of vulnerabilities with transferring data. VNC has it's own contentious issues with snooping (which you can't do with Remote Desktop)."

Right, I do understand the differences between RDP and VNC. They were trying to assert that any type of "screen viewing" technologies, be it viewing the actual screen with VNC, or just a login session in memory with RDP.
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Wait, you actually got a lawyer involved for a school suspension?

Jeez, I've was suspended back in sixth form for managing to crash a client side security app on a school machine. I did not, however, get a lawyer involved. I contested the crime->punishment logic (previously they had been receptive to seeing ways around security apps so they could change or patch them accordingly. But it seems that policy was only unofficial between certain members of staff. Damn.) but overall nothing changed - I was suspended. Turned out really well actually, that was the same week my hard drive failed (and took lots of work with it) so the suspension was good timing

(Which always reminds me of the 'You can't connect the dots looking forward' thing. Some really dire events actually have a colossal upside. If it wasn't for that suspension I probably would have failed my physics A-level... which is ironic really)

But... a lawyer!? It boggles the mind, seriously.

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Posted: 15th May 2010 04:02 Edited at: 15th May 2010 04:02
Quote: "Wait, you actually got a lawyer involved for a school suspension?"


After nine years in the Dublin City School district, I've found that the only way they will listen to what you have to say is with a lawyer or another (most likely male) other authority figure. When I was little, I got in trouble... uh... Let's just say often, and I really felt that when we wanted to talk about what happened they just would walk on me and my mom. Maybe if I had a father around more often we would have gotten some more respect from the school administration, seeing I've found most of the administrators I've dealt with in the district have some clearly chauvinistic views on stuff like this. But even then, I don't know.
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Posted: 15th May 2010 06:12 Edited at: 15th May 2010 06:13
Quote: "that the tech guy spied on me for like a week before doing anything (which really is entrapment, at least according to my lawyer)"


Well you're lawyer is wrong. Entrapment is when someone in law enforcement gets someone to commit a crime they otherwise wouldn't have, and then arrests them for that crime. Watching to see if you do something illegal is definitely not that.

I see you've learned nothing from this. You broke a rule and now have no punishment, and you think you're in the right here! You need to take responsibility for your own actions, instead of looking for an easy way out.

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Posted: 15th May 2010 14:14 Edited at: 15th May 2010 14:19
Quote: "'ve found that the only way they will listen to what you have to say is with a lawyer or another (most likely male) other authority figure."


Yeah... Maybe that's because they are the authority figure. You're at school. They don't have to listen to you. You follow the rules or that's the end of the matter.

Quote: "When I was little, I got in trouble... uh... Let's just say often, and I really felt that when we wanted to talk about what happened they just would walk on me and my mom."


Not being funny, but there are a lot of parents out there that will make a massive fuss and try and stick up for their children irrespective of what they've done. Or they'll twist the story and blame the school

Schools get that a lot. There was a kid back when I was growing up who used to poke people in the faces with sticks (in the eyes etc.). It happened many times. And every time his mum would roll in and stick up for him, claiming he was being* "artistic" (no idea how that makes sense). The school couldn't do what it needed to do (discipline him) because his mother kept screwing things up and convincing the kid it was fine.

i.e. If you're a repeat offender it doesn't surprise me that the school gets sick of you and your mother trying to defend your case or whatnot. They want to punish you and that's the end of it.


* I got the 'dirt' on how this went down because my mum knew his mum. Albeit briefly...

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Posted: 15th May 2010 14:26
A few weeks ago I used remote desktop to hack into the schools servers. (its a very long story on how I got the admin passwords). I changed a few messages here and there and they changed the password. The next day I cracked the new password and continued.. This really pissed them off.

Last week they found out it was me and I got given 15 hours comunity service (this is apparently how much work it took to find me). Then after that they want me to continue hacking the network and report any holes I discover, and help to fix the holes.

But the reason why they wernt too hard on me is because I had the power to do pretty much anything I choose with the servers. Delete all the files, lock out Technicians, etc. But I didnt.

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Posted: 15th May 2010 15:11
lol haxor alert...

I severly doupt they'd let you near the network again, and now that they know its you. You cant actually do anything without a very large fine and possible prison sentence for gaining access to personal details of everyone at said school. That an theres such a thing as daily backups on a seperate sever/drive off network for just occasions. My schools are done nightly so there'd be no point. You cant hold them for ransom, they just throw the backup on a fresh start and systamtically fix the holes. You cant beat it, unless your admins are pathetic. ( no offense there to admins )

On topic, you involed a lawyer? Why?
Ontop of getting one, you got an idiot, as pointed out above he got a fundemental term completly wrong. At this point you only want 'Compensation' for some stupid thing you did and got caught doing. Black an white, your wrong any court that takes this serioulsy well that'd be another story and most likly rant.

This falls perfectly into what your doing-

In memory of common sense - writer unknown


Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, “Common Sense,” who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as:

- knowing when to come in out of the rain;

- the early bird gets the worm;

- life isn’t always fair; and

- maybe it was my fault.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don’t spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge).

His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.

Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children.

It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student, but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as -religious gib edit- and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn’t defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, by his parents, “Truth” and “Trust,” by his wife, “Discretion,” by his daughter, “Responsibility,” and by his son, “Reason.”

He is survived by his 4 stepbrothers – “I Know My Rights,” “I Want It Now,” “Someone Else Is To Blame,” and “I’m A Victim.”

I always smile after reading that, silly thing is it perfectly described your actions. Great eh?

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Posted: 15th May 2010 15:51 Edited at: 15th May 2010 15:53
Quote: "Then after that they want me to continue hacking the network and report any holes I discover, and help to fix the holes."


I must have heard this one a hundred times. After it's told a couple more times, you'll be working for the FBI. Congrats.

Oh, and the "lawyer" thing was very amusing.

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Posted: 16th May 2010 00:15
A lawyer?!

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I'm sorry, but I cannot handle it. If this will give me a noob slap then I take full responsibility:



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Posted: 17th May 2010 03:46 Edited at: 17th May 2010 03:52
Quote: "Well you're lawyer is wrong. Entrapment is when someone in law enforcement gets someone to commit a crime they otherwise wouldn't have, and then arrests them for that crime. Watching to see if you do something illegal is definitely not that."

Well I guess I know that I have a pretty bad lawyer.

Quote: "On topic, you involed a lawyer? Why?
Ontop of getting one, you got an idiot, as pointed out above he got a fundemental term completly wrong. At this point you only want 'Compensation' for some stupid thing you did and got caught doing. Black an white, your wrong any court that takes this serioulsy well that'd be another story and most likly rant."

Like I said before, I guess that in light of this, I don't have a very good lawyer. But it doesn't really matter. It's not who the lawyer is. It's that there is an attorney involved. Like I said before, they tend to take what I am saying more seriously if I have a lawyer, whether I'm right or not. The lawyer is here simply to let them know that I'm serious about my position on the issue, independent of whether I'm really wrong or right.



Now, about this whole remote desktop thing in general, I believe that I am not in violation of their policies because the agreement states that attempts to circumvent the web filter are prohibited, not being in a situation where it would be relatively easy to. And anyway, getting on the internet in general presents most people with an opportunity to go around the filter and stuff, because most people know a few web proxies that are unblocked.

On top of that, I did not do anything malicious while using remote desktop, and I have repeatedly done nothing but good on their computers/network. I remember being sent around in the 5th grade during our recess to set up everyone's printer and the tech guy didn't even bother to thank me. This is one of many times I ended up doing their tech dirty work. So they turn a blind eye when it suits them, but when I do something they find questionable, they accuse me of breaking the (quite ill-defined) policy? Even though they have the ability to do that, since it's their school and their rules, is it morally right? Probably not.

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