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SikaSina Games
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Posted: 1st May 2010 23:42
I recently bought SAW III a while ago, and I was deeply impressed by it, partially because one of my favourite actresses (Shawnee Smith) were in it. I bought SAW V today, however, and I wish I hadn't. The story made no sense at all, yet the Pendulum Trap was rather awesome and brutal . It took me 3 re-watches to see what was happening...so basically, what are your opinions on SAW? Should I go for the rest of the films or just go for SAW I and II?

The thing which really lowered my approach to SAW V was the fact that SPOILER ALERT, OPEN CODE SNIPPET IF YOU WANT TO SEE:


I think the acting could've been better too, Darren Bousman did a better job at the older SAW's than Greg Hoffman/Mark Burg (partly because I liked Amanda's role xD).

I think I would give SAW III a 9/10 and SAW V a 4/10, it just didn't give me any thrills or chills IMO. Anyone else seen the films and have any other justification?

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Posted: 1st May 2010 23:53
I agree, after Saw III the series are just converted to money making films without any quality. Stupid Hollywood...

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Posted: 1st May 2010 23:57 Edited at: 1st May 2010 23:58
Ditto, I guess there couldn't really be a sequel after SAW III, but Lionsgate still hesitated to waste almost £13 million on sequels with no meaning...I mean, SPOILER ALERT:
. They were all the heart of SAW, with them gone SAW is nothing but a gored-up version of a romance story...lol.

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Posted: 2nd May 2010 01:24
I've only seen the first 3. I quite liked the first 2, the third was ok, but I have no urge to see the rest. I think they just milk each franchise for every penny. I think most American films and TV shows always go too far. They don't know when to quit!
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Posted: 2nd May 2010 01:43
Exactly it was the fact that SAW I-III really showed how Jigsaw felt about his life and tragedies, and it also shows how he doesn't kill them himself, but lets the victims kill themselves. It's probably one of the most successful horror films of today except for IV onwards...I couldn't feel any sympathy for half of the people.

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Posted: 2nd May 2010 10:59
Saw movies are like birthdays. There's guaranteed to be a new one eveyr year, and they keep getting worse...
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Posted: 2nd May 2010 13:01
The first one is the best and really the only one worth watching. Once they Hollywoodified it from 2 onwards it was really just a gore fest and as has been said, worse with each installment.

Apparently number 7 will be the last, and done in 3D

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Posted: 2nd May 2010 14:23
Lionsgate and Twisted Pictures announced that there will be 10 in all, so I don't think 7 will be the last...but I bought SAW II and IV today, I'm buying SAW I and VI when I get another chance.

Quote: "Apparently number 7 will be the last, and done in 3D "


Yeah, I don't like 3D Movies, and how the hell are TP gonna make it 3D? The only element that I think of being 3D is the blood and/or projectiles from the traps, nothing else. I think they should stop at 7 otherwise it'll just turn out like most typical horrors, where their story-lines are all clichéd...

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"Nobody 'freaking' changes. Nobody is reborn, it's all BS. It's all a 'freaking' lie!" - Amanda, SAW III
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Posted: 2nd May 2010 14:34 Edited at: 2nd May 2010 15:02
Quote: "Yeah, I don't like 3D Movies, and how the hell are TP gonna make it 3D? The only element that I think of being 3D is the blood and/or projectiles from the traps, nothing else. I think they should stop at 7 otherwise it'll just turn out like most typical horrors, where their story-lines are all clichéd..."


If it's going to be 3D, they might tie someone onto the top of a plane while in a dogfight, maybe having to cut his own head off to throw in the engine of the plane shooting at him I'm sure theres plenty of things they can make fly towards the screen. Most of them sharp! The thing is that's all this film will probably be!
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Posted: 2nd May 2010 14:37 Edited at: 2nd May 2010 14:37
Quote: "Lionsgate and Twisted Pictures announced that there will be 10 in all, so I don't think 7"


Well I read that because less and less people were going to see the films that they decided to finish the overarching story early. I think 6 would have been a good place to stop.


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Posted: 2nd May 2010 14:42
Yeah, I was ridiculed at how low ratings the old ones were given, yet SAW VI was something like 53% whilst others were 20% or so.

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Posted: 2nd May 2010 14:55
I thought the first 3 was the best, the first was mind boggling who would of thought
and also the second one's twist of
That was cool. The Third one was just good because of all the traps, but the new ones just seem to be full up of growing actors, wanting to make it big time.


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Posted: 2nd May 2010 20:02
I like them all, But you would have to see all six movies in a row to really understand the whole story

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Posted: 2nd May 2010 20:49
I watched SAW II-V today and I still couldn't understand IV onwards...and I know that SAW I probably won't help much., but I'll still get it. I think you can watch SAW III without seeing the others, and get the low-down of the story. But, of course, it does help if you watch the previous ones . I just find it painful watching SAW IV onwards, I really can't feel any sympathy for the victims, simply because their acting is rather crappy and that they don't really play a part ion the film, and are just an add-on. Sure, the Seth guy in the Pendulum Trap was
, but I would've though that it would be like SAW III with Jeff where he chooses to save them or let them die...

And I watched SAW IV today, the beginning is gruesome and sickly, I did NOT see that coming...

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Posted: 2nd May 2010 21:12
Quote: "I like them all, But you would have to see all six movies in a row to really understand the whole story"

I watched all of them, and it is really just plodding on, just making little subplots to carry on it's already dying franchise. Saw 6 was really just annoying, it had really bad acting, at points instead of going "Oh no!" I was literally laughing for the majority, on how fake some of the actors looked, "Oh no I chopped my arm off, oh well."lol


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Posted: 2nd May 2010 21:52
It goes like this...
Saw 1= Awesome
Saw 2= Great
Saw 3= Good
Saw 4= Crap
Saw 5= Crap-er
Saw 6= Crap-est
And even though Saw 7 isn't out...
Saw 7= Crap-er-est.

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Posted: 3rd May 2010 02:58 Edited at: 3rd May 2010 03:03
You must have a degree in Statistical Analysis Jenkins Using your data I calculate Saw 3407 would end time and space and destroy everything ever created in the past present and future

It looks like me watching only the first 3 is a good idea
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Quote: "Using your data I calculate Saw 3407 would end time and space and destroy everything ever created in the past present and future
"

Exactly! But somehow, Saw 3408 would still be made.

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Posted: 3rd May 2010 11:06
Using the same calculation Police Academy 12 has the same effect
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Posted: 3rd May 2010 14:21 Edited at: 3rd May 2010 14:25
The first 3 movies make up the saw series, Saw4 5 6 7 blah blah are all afterthoughts - we should disregard them for they are waffle. If you killed your main character, and want to make another sequel, then it has to be a prequel - having this, ''ohh by the way, Jigsaw made another game'' scenario is just ludicrous. I'm sure there's lots that could be done, like how the Hannibal Lecter character has developed, all the way back to the start with the last book/movie. People are interested in the character, not what his assistant does after his death.

What is worse is the copycat horrors that have followed it - probably seen 3 absolutely horrendous movies 'like' saw, last one had a chubby Melissa Joan Hart, and she kills her fellow captives in the end. There - now nobody need ever watch 9 must die, that's not a spoiler, that's a good deed. There are worse things than SAW 4 5 6 etc out there.

I got the SAW game on PS3 last week. It's actually worth a play if you like the movies.


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Posted: 3rd May 2010 14:56 Edited at: 3rd May 2010 14:57
I'm not saying that SAW IV onwards were an abomination, they just couldn't build the story up properly. SAW IV was about
carrying on Jigsaw's work, SAW V was
and SAW VI was basically a whole film dedicated to Amanda from the clips I've seen. Although there's nothing bad about a film about Amanda xD. I think the further SAWs are building up to a dramatic climax which'll probably explain the crap story-lines after IV and make them sound like they actually made sense.

And I'm thinking of getting SAW for PC, but a lot of people have said that it's not a lot of good. Shame they ruined the game by the AI from what I've seen. Is it actually scary?

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I wouldn't say the AI was too bad, in fact I thought it was rather clever, the way you can bolt doors, and the enemies might find another way to you instead. I like setting trip wires and electrocuting them - seemed as capable as other games with it's AI. Maybe they fixed it with a patch though.

To call it scary would be a stretch - a lot of the game involves just paying attention, watching for traps, watching for door traps and dealing with them. But it's saw, a bucket full of syringes is not in itself scary, having 60 seconds to find the key at the bottom might be horrific, but it's hardly gonna make you jump. The best of the movies are tense, and I think the game achieves that tension as well, the tense puzzles right now seem very easy, but that might change as the game progresses. The game is best described as spooky, as it seems to be the standard shadows and stuff, rather than the often strange lighting in SAW. I mean, your more likely to see something disturbing in a SAW movie, brightly lit, vivid green hues in SAW3, warm home-style lighting in SAW2, harsh strip lighting in SAW1 - jigsaw takes pride in his work and likes to show it. In the game however, it's dark, just like every other game ever that is remotely like it. I think the steam engine would have made it look a lot more like the movies, better lighting etc - I'm sure it's the Unreal engine in SAW (yawn).

It's novel though, to play along as a 'victim', and not be 100% sure of what will happen next. Maybe buy it pre-owned for a console, rather than the PC - for one thing, I hate putting these shorter games on my PC, it just clogs it up for the sake of a couple of days gameplay. Get it pre-owned for a console if you have one, then sell it on when your done , unless you have friends to lend it to. Same thing with the LOST videogame, short, interesting to fans of the series, but wafer thin gameplay. As I said, it's worth checking out, but wait on a real good price, wait until it costs what you would pay for 8-10 hours entertainment.


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Posted: 3rd May 2010 17:03
Ok cool, perhaps my Xbox 360'll see the light of day again . It does sound good, so I'll consider it and see how it shapes up to my expectations .

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Posted: 5th May 2010 15:35
The thing is: to make a good story, you must have a good writer.

Check it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_(franchise)#Crew

Only the first three movies were written by the original story creator (Leigh Whannell, you might wanna look for Saw 0.5 in Youtube, he was the writer/actor, also the photographer on Saw I). Then on Saw IV onward, other writers did it.

That's my 2 cents about why only the original trilogy "works".

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I remember that Gregg Hoffman wrote SAW I and II along with Leigh, and died halfway through the production of SAW III, perhaps that's why SAW became a bit of a drag after 3 since Darren didn't have anyone to turn to. Besides, why bother making a sequel when the most iconic character is dead? SAW VI portrayed nothing of the story's questionable progression apart from the flashbacks of Amanda becoming Jigsaw's apprentice and carrying on John's work, I have to agree saying that the new SAWs are bound to be Hollywood budget-breakers with no story-line and repetitive scenarios over and over again.

To be honest, I'm bored of hearing "I want to play a game" now since I know what's going to happen, so it's not exactly a game because you know what's coming.

-SSG

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"Nobody 'freaking' changes. Nobody is reborn, it's all BS. It's all a 'freaking' lie!" - Amanda, SAW III
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Ive only saw the First 2, Don't really plan on seeing any of the rest.
after what ive heard, the rest suck, but the first one is EPIC! second one is EVEN MORE EPIC!

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If you've seen the first 2, watch SAW III, since that is basically the ending of the whole SAW franchise although Darren Lynn Bousman decided to carry on past SAW III...If you're a real gore fan, SAW IV onwards are ok, but the story isn't so guessable and it keeps you wondering "was this before or after that scene?". But yeah, watch SAW III anyway, because that pretty much sums up the theory of SAW and Jigsaw and Amanda's fate.

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"Nobody 'freaking' changes. Nobody is reborn, it's all BS. It's all a 'freaking' lie!" - Amanda, SAW III
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Posted: 8th May 2010 14:22
Quote: "Ive only saw the First 2, Don't really plan on seeing any of the rest.
after what ive heard, the rest suck, but the first one is EPIC! second one is EVEN MORE EPIC!"

Quote: "
If you've seen the first 2, watch SAW III, since that is basically the ending of the whole SAW franchise"


I agree, watch the 3rd, its not bad. As I've said above that's all I've watched
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ill have to wait till it comes on TV because i dont buy DVDs or rent them

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I thought Saw II and III were pretty bad...the traps and all that were well done, but it didn't keep me hooked as much as the first one - to me it should have ended there, to me it seems like taking a concept and reaping it for as much money as you can get from it. So long as you suckers keep watching it, they'll make more...

But in the word of Admiral Akbar:
It's a trap!

Hmm...maybe an Admiral Akbar commentary to the films...hmm, I'd pay for that...wait, IT'S TRAP! You can't repel torture of that magnitude!

I don't know, my mind goes crazy at this hour, just ignore me.

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I LOVE that hand trap on SAW II with the Cocaine in it that was genius, i wish i would have thought of that.

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Meh, my fav trap in SAW II was probably the Needle Pit, or the Furnace . SAW III's best one was either The Rack or the Angel Trap (awesomeness ). SAW IV and V didn't really have any decent traps apart from the Pendulum Trap in SAW V (freaking gruesome ), win which the SFX were brilliant.

Quote: "I thought Saw II and III were pretty bad..."


I though they were awesome . Besides, I guess they had their flaws, but the traps and endings made up for it.

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I have not seen any SAW movie, another to add to my list?

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SAW I-IV yes, because SAW IV follows off of SAW III (I actually watched the rest of it yesterday), the rest of the SAWs are crap with barely any decent storyline.

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@ asterisc you are the only one.

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no he is not. i havent seen them either, they are way to bloody and brutal for me.


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Quote: "they are way to bloody and brutal for me."


They don't seem as gory to me when I watch them, they always miss a vital ultra-violent part. It does seem brutal when you think about it, but otherwise it's just too non-gory-ish. The 3 goriest traps I've seen were probably the Pendulum Trap (SAW V), The Rack (SAW III) and Angel Trap (SAW III). The others are one you need to think about before realising the brutality, although all of the traps roughly need to be thought about.

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Posted: 24th May 2010 21:23
let me put it like this... i can barely watch action movies. Since theyre usually bloody.

Boogie man 2 is acually a movie i watched.

or.. not entirely, i kept my eyes shut half the movie.....


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The Saw Series is the GREATEST Ever!!!! if you Watch I II III IV V VI VII in ORDER you'l understand more and more also Dr. Gordon in I is coming back in the VII one use your brain and pay attention ALSO Watch Saw Rebirth (Comic) so Saw I then Rebirth then II III IV V VI VII acting was awesome and yes Saw V was a bit low of my personal fav but it made me understand a bit more so ya VII will be O.O awesome!

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