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Geek Culture / Mass Disc Production

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That Guy John
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Posted: 9th May 2010 10:15
Once a program or in this case a game is completed, what solutions would you recomend for mass production on disc?

Disc writing, lable printing on disc, packaging, etc..

Yes I know the most affordable solution is distributing online, but distribution on disc is another option as well.

I am curous about hardware and software to accomplish this at home and companies that provide this service as well. I believe amazon does this for music artists and book publishers, not sure about games.

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Insanity Complex
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Posted: 9th May 2010 11:13
Probably something similar to the things offered here

That Guy John
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Posted: 9th May 2010 17:59
Thank you Insanity.

Annyone know of companies that provide these services without having to purchase equipent?

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Dragon Knight
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Posted: 9th May 2010 20:45
Go to a local printing company, they usually offer some form of factory produced discs, with what ever software you want included on it.

Or you can out-source to a company in china etc.., allot cheaper but depending on cost of shipping and the quantity you want, it's up to you to decide what is affordable and profitable for you.

Hey, just google it , easiest solution

That Guy John
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Posted: 10th May 2010 15:37
Trust me I use google.

The purpose of me posting to a forum though is to find out what expierences every one else has had with different companies. This is the purpose of a forum, to find people to network with, share expierences, and form bonds to make the "Big Picture" happen.

I am starting to find that many questions I have go into subject matters that very limited people have expierence with at all.

With my endevors I Go big or go broke trying.

I do apreciate constructive responses.

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thenerd
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Posted: 10th May 2010 22:14
I agree with Dragon Knight, finding a printing company would be your best bet, try just looking around locally.

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Posted: 10th May 2010 22:32
Buy a Lightscribe DVD/CD burner,they are very cheap these days,20€. Then buy some Lightscribe CD's and print them by hand.


That Guy John
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Posted: 11th May 2010 03:41
Quote: "Buy a Lightscribe DVD/CD burner,they are very cheap these days,20€. Then buy some Lightscribe CD's and print them by hand."


Have "one".. I said mass production lol

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Posted: 11th May 2010 04:08
The first thing you may need to consider is the quality of the final product. There are two ways to mass produce cds/dvds. The first that everyone is familiar with are recordable CD-R's. They have an advantage of being cheap and equipment to mass produce is easily available for home based businesses. The disadvantage is approx a 20% failure rate when burning. The discs that do burn will often last no longer than 18 to 24 months before becoming unreadable. Before anyone says I have discs umpteen years old that read so do I. But many will fail. How many irate customers do you want contacting you next year about bad discs?

The better process are pressed discs. They may actually live up to the 50 plus year life claims. The process though is not a home-based option and having a company do them is the norm.
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I wonder who slapped me and why?

That Guy John
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Posted: 11th May 2010 04:58
Thanks Slow,

I wasn't aware of "pressed discs", googling now.

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Posted: 11th May 2010 07:17 Edited at: 11th May 2010 07:29
take a look at something like this for ballpark figures. musician-friends have used them in the past. we've also had local companies do runs of 1000 to save a few bucks but the final products are sometimes less than stellar (mainly issues with sub-standard artwork/printing/etc). a couple years back we looked into buying duplicators and printers ourselves (i was doing cover art, etc) and it just wasn't cost effective. we would have had to look at duplicating and printing for others to make it worth while and we weren't looking for extra work/2nd jobs/etc when you consider overhead and everything that comes with opening up shop (even on the minimalist/garage-based, part-time basis we were considering).

the "pressing" mentioned, i believe, is replication (vs duplication) and generally for serious bulk amounts.

digital distrubtion is the way to go... ask itunes, etc, about that. but, if you do decide to run hard copy, look at getting 100 digipak cd/dvd's with single color on-disc printing for what i consider the most bang for the buck. ie, professional look vs cost. also consider single color on-disc printing in full color jackets for a budget-but-looks good alternative.

and, start small. please don't get 1000 pieces if you don't already have stores lined up to stock most of them

hope this helps.

add: if you have a guitar center (or the like) near you, you might ask around for someone very "local" that might do some garage printing as well. it's just hard to imagine you wanting to spend too much money at this point. ie, "if you really had a need for 1000 pieces, you'd already know the options" kinda thing.

good luck

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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 11th May 2010 07:26
Google "cd/dvd replication" and you should find a bunch options in your area.

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mail a mod and why are u posting this herE? >.>


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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 11th May 2010 20:14
Yeah, General Jackson's just complaining all over the place because the mods locked his "Why am I slapped?!?!" threads. It's really no wonder he's been slapped so many times. /offsubject

Anyway, this thread covers a few questions I had myself about mass disc production. I like it when threads are beneficial to more than one person.


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Posted: 11th May 2010 20:50 Edited at: 11th May 2010 20:52
Quote: "Anyway, this thread covers a few questions I had myself about mass disc production."


Same. And thanks to Virtual Nomad for those links that went straight into my favorites folder. The charges from the first site seem pretty reasonable.

I had a few of my own sources in my favorites before I came across this thread as a DIY approach; I'll have to see which method turns out to be cheaper in the long run.

(For reference)

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-6780/DVD-Mailers-&-Cases/Black-DVD-Cases

http://www.checkoutstore.com/Black-Paper-CD-Sleeves-with-Window-Flap-p/cdpsblk.htm

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11852/DVD-Mailers-&-Cases/DVD-Case-Inserts

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That Guy John
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Posted: 11th May 2010 21:01
Quote: "digital distrubtion is the way to go"


Yeah, I agree that and plan on that being my primary means of distruting. However, I am looking at all possible aspects for future distribution.

I am pretty anal when it comes to organizing and planning ahead.

I do apreciate everyone posting links and giving suggestions.

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Phaelax
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Posted: 12th May 2010 02:42
Quote: " The discs that do burn will often last no longer than 18 to 24 months before becoming unreadable"


I'm curious to know where you got that figure from? Yes I've had several discs fail to burn when using cheaper discs, but if they burned correctly then I've never seen one fail to read since, apart from abnormal abuse.


Kinkos might do CD copying, I don't know about packaging.


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Posted: 12th May 2010 04:29
Quote: "Quote: " The discs that do burn will often last no longer than 18 to 24 months before becoming unreadable"

I'm curious to know where you got that figure from? Yes I've had several discs fail to burn when using cheaper discs, but if they burned correctly then I've never seen one fail to read since, apart from abnormal abuse.
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Several studies can be found online. One is a Dutch study.

http://www.myce.com/news/cd-recordable-discs-unreadable-in-less-than-two-years-6450/

More importantly to me I burn about 1000 DVD-R (single layer) a year in my job. We experience at least 20% failure to burn initially with Sony discs being the worse. Many discs burned just one to two years ago and used with no issues then are unreadable now. Once again Sony's were the worse with a 50% failure at two-years.
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Posted: 14th May 2010 01:31
I haven't really seen those failure rates since my first 4x burner. I have the best luck with Verbatim discs.


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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 14th May 2010 02:45 Edited at: 14th May 2010 04:58
While doing a huge backup recently, I noticed that i've got CDR's dating back from the mid 90's. There's certainly some issues, but i tend find it's with what reader i'm using.

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Posted: 14th May 2010 04:43
I love going back and taking a look at backups from the mid to late 90s. Interesting finds, sometimes


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