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kuljot
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Posted: 16th May 2010 02:17
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Hey guys i wanted to make a simple website to show some of my games. And i was wondering what is the best free web developement software out there. I dont want a demo, i want like an actual software. Thanks.

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budokaiman
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Posted: 16th May 2010 02:41
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I like using Microsoft Visual Web Developer
Adobe DreamWeaver is very good too.

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Shaun Of The Dead
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Posted: 16th May 2010 02:47
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@budokaiman He asked if there was any FREE programs. Jeez, how can you afford that stuff? :/

I suggest just using something like PageBreeze, i used it for a while. Its okay, but if you want something good expect to pay a reasonable amount.

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That Guy John
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Posted: 16th May 2010 03:08
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First time building a website?...

Wordpress.org , nothing else to be said. If you need help with using wordpress, get at me on my personal blog.

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ShaunRW
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Posted: 16th May 2010 03:10
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Good ol' notepad will do the trick. That's if you know HTML.


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xplosys
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Posted: 16th May 2010 03:11
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Check out KompoZer It's an update of the program Nvu, which I used years ago and found to be sufficient.

Quote: "@budokaiman He asked if there was any FREE programs. Jeez, how can you afford that stuff?"


Maybe he gets them for free?

Brian.

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Shaun Of The Dead
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Posted: 16th May 2010 03:21
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Quote: "Wordpress.org , nothing else to be said."


It depends, because he may want a custom design that fits the needs of him more than wordpress can.

I suggest trying all of the options we have posted and then see whats right for you

Quote: "Maybe he gets them for free?"


Perhaps. Hopefully legally if he does...

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bitJericho
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Posted: 16th May 2010 04:17
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Joomla.org for a website software that provides more features. Wordpress is by far easier to use though.

If you're a student you might be eligible for dreamspark, in which you can download visual web developer or expression studio (or both) for free:

https://www.dreamspark.com/default.aspx

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OrzeL
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Posted: 16th May 2010 06:47
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Blue Voda

Its fairly decent, free and more WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get) and it saves in a bvp format which is the format used by Vodahost the company that build this tool but you don't have to sign up for their hosting, the software has a 'get html' function and just copy and paste the code, I haven't used it in a while but for free I think you should definetly check it out. On the site it says to give email to get a link for download, its not a scam they will give you the link, but they will also sign you up for their newsletter to promote their company but you can unsuscribe, there's a link at the bottom of every email they send you to unsuscribe. All in all its fairly decent and worth a look.
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kuljot
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Posted: 16th May 2010 07:42 Edited at: 16th May 2010 07:43
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Hey guys so far i have built a simple website using a program called net objects fusion elements. This is the website.
www.dgiproductions.webs.com
Thats good enough forn ow, but i will try all your guys suggestions in case they are better.
Thanks for all the suggestions.

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kuljot
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Posted: 16th May 2010 07:44 Edited at: 16th May 2010 07:45
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Also i am hosting for free with www.webs.com
Anyone know anything better for hosting for free?
Thanks

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 16th May 2010 08:31
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Notepad

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Shaun Of The Dead
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Posted: 16th May 2010 14:33
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000webhost is pretty decent. If you need free hosting try them.

As for the people suggesting notepad, this is probably the hardest option for the guy. He wants to make a quick simple website not learn how to code

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budokaiman
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Posted: 16th May 2010 14:42
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Quote: "@budokaiman He asked if there was any FREE programs."


The express edition of Visual Studio is free, just get Visual Web Developer 2008 Express.

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BiggAdd
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Posted: 16th May 2010 16:38 Edited at: 16th May 2010 16:42
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Quote: "Notepad"


Fool of a took!

The only thing you really need is Syntax Highlighting and Code Completion. Any WYSIWYG editor will be naff (to the extreme), as the code it will generate will be horrible.

Try something like NetBeans. It supports Javascript, html and php.

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Hobgoblin Lord
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Posted: 16th May 2010 19:43
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Quote: "it depends, because he may want a custom design that fits the needs of him more than wordpress can. "


You can easily make your own templates for WP or just plug it into an existing site.

WP is a good option or just find a simple WYSIWG free web host there are alot of them.

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 16th May 2010 22:11
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Quote: "Fool of a took!"


That was the best response I could have had

"If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants" - Isaac Newton
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BearCDP
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Posted: 16th May 2010 22:22
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I always liked Crimson Editor. It has customizable syntax highlighting, FTP, and you can make macros that execute batch files. A while ago I used it as a replacement for ide for DBC since the global variable syntax for DarkEdit (and the other one whose name I can't remember now) was borking.

Or, if you're on Mac, TextWrangler.

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BlueKlayman
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Posted: 17th May 2010 00:01
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I've always used Notepad++, if you want to learn to code as well as make a website, us his.. It is easy to use, collapsible and expandable lines, syntax highlighting and more. If you want to make good and easy ,custom, websites though, you will need to fork out a bit of cash unfortunately.

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David R
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Posted: 17th May 2010 01:59 Edited at: 17th May 2010 01:59
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Quote: "Try something like NetBeans. It supports Javascript, html and php."


^ This, with regards to its built in FTP which it can invoke automatically every time 'Play' [preview] is pressed. Used it quite recently for a PHP/MySQL assignment and it worked brilliantly in every aspect (PHP + HTML + JS with ExtJs + FTP etc.)

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ShaunRW
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Posted: 17th May 2010 04:07
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HTML-Kit is good, that's what i use. It has syntax highlighting, A Preview screen and probably a lot of other features that i don't know about.

I hate WYSIWYG editors, they always include so much un-need junk.


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BearCDP
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Posted: 17th May 2010 05:58 Edited at: 17th May 2010 05:59
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Quote: "I hate WYSIWYG editors, they always include so much un-need junk."


Ditto. I was updating my professor's website for him recently, and a previous student of his had built the layout 5-10 years ago using an old version of Dreamweaver, and it had generated the most obnoxious table layout I have ever had the misfortune to work with. Not that I do a lot of web design, it's just I've gotten so used to working with templates and layouts using the nice new CSS conventions on my own sites.

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Jeku
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I also agree with NetBeans. We use it at work extensively because it has embedded support for Symfony


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That Guy John
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Posted: 18th May 2010 19:56 Edited at: 18th May 2010 19:57
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Quote: "It depends, because he may want a custom design that fits the needs of him more than wordpress can."


Sorry, I know everyone has their preferrences, but I must defend wordpress.org (not to be confused with wordpress.com), it has become more than a blogging system in the last couple years and the plugin directory has everything you would ever need as far as functionality for your site goes. As for design, there are loads of free and premium designs. If they don't fit your fancy just make your own theme and never have to touch the code again.

As far as free hosts go, I don't bother with them. Somethings you just gotta pay for if you want usability. Hostgator's cheapest plan is around 7 bucks a month I believe and their customer service is awwesome. Please dont use yahoo or GoCrappy, you will regret it in the long run.

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FredP
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I had a GoDaddy account for several years.My site never went down (until I took it down).Great customer service and every time I called them they were quick to help.
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Phaelax
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Quote: "Notepad "


Notepad++ is my preference, unless websphere is involved then I'm on Eclipse.


For simple web sites I wouldn't bother with Netbeans, way too much overhead I think. I primarily only use it for Java stuff.

Quote: "This, with regards to its built in FTP which it can invoke automatically every time 'Play' [preview] is pressed"

Although, that is a handy feature, especially when FileZilla sucks so much on Mac.


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Indicium
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With these programs like dreamweaver, do you still have to manually format the page with tables? I can never get my head around that, and that's how i ultimately gave up on php.

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David R
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Quote: "Although, that is a handy feature, especially when FileZilla sucks so much on Mac."


If you're after a standalone FTP client Cyberduck does an O-K job

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Phaelax
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I don't care for cyberduck's minimal interface.

Mad Nightmare, probably don't want to design your whole page using tables anyway.


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bitJericho
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Posted: 19th May 2010 03:21 Edited at: 19th May 2010 03:27
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Quote: "Please dont use yahoo or GoCrappy, you will regret it in the long run."


GoDaddy's nice, but you can get a better customer experience elsewhere. (Their website is the worst designed I've ever had the misfortune to use. It's like their site is designed to cross-sell, without giving you an easy way to manage or buy the service you intended), but their service itself and the customer service was good. Their shared webhosting is kinda odd if you've ever hosted with someone else, it's not as intuitive as a stock CPanel account.

That said, places like spidahost.com for shared hosting or prgmr.com for VPS hosting are better alternatives.

PRGMR.com is nice because you have full root access to your own virtual private server. However, you need the knowhow to set it up on your own. You also need to be able to use puttygen and putty to create the keys needed and login to your server. If you do go that route, make sure you buy at least the $8/mo plan for webhosting. You'll need the 256mb RAM for even a minimal PHP based website with a control panel like virtualmin running in the background. If you plan on using SSL (https), you should probably go for the $12/mo plan.

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BearCDP
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I'm loving my Dreamhost account. Their control panel is relatively easy to navigate, and they let you host subversion repos in addition to your website, file backup, and email accounts.

What OS would you install on a prgmr VPS?

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entomophobiac
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I think anti-WYSIWYG proponents are missing one very important thing: Dreamweaver and similar packages do a lot more than generate code. I use Dreamweaver as a code editor, with the added benefits of having a visual representation, a direct FTP-connection to the website itself and various debugging options that check the code validity against the engines of most major browsers.

I still keep track of the code and make sure to indent it properly. Besides, the amount of redundancy is usually connected to browser backward compatibility and is entirely optional. If you know your Dreamweaver, I can almost guarantee that you work more effectively -- and faster -- than anyone that's staying with Notepad.
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bitJericho
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Posted: 20th May 2010 02:16 Edited at: 20th May 2010 02:17
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Quote: "What OS would you install on a prgmr VPS?"


Whatever one you need for the software you'll be running.

I prefer debian. Virtualmin prefers it too. Zarafa (for awesome email support, if needed) supports it too. But Steam has the best documentation and support for Ubuntu it seems.

Ubuntu's not my favorite, as out of the box, it's a pain to use at the command line.

Fedora (among others) uses Selinux which I guess makes things more secure. Some software may dislike it (which is probably a bad thing security wise for said software).

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That Guy John
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Quote: "With these programs like dreamweaver, do you still have to manually format the page with tables? I can never get my head around that, and that's how i ultimately gave up on php."


Try not to use tables, divs are much more flexible. As far as browser comparability, try using a css reset either make your own or use a pre made one like the one that comes with the 960.gs

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