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Green Gandalf
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Posted: 21st May 2010 23:43
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See the last few posts on this thread:

yet another locked thread

and here are the slaps:

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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 21st May 2010 23:46
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Agree. Mods are becoming high and mighty, and it's starting to get on everyone's nerves. Glad I don't visit the boards too much anymore.

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Posted: 22nd May 2010 00:01
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If that is the most annoying thing on the forum, then us mods are doing a fantastic job.


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No there mocking the stupidity of repeatidly arguing over a silly pointless lock which escalated to just hissy fitting. The last few posts are just them blowing off steam.


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Posted: 22nd May 2010 00:01
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Well, although I don't post very much, and also see what you're both saying, I do have to say that I thought the last few posts were quite funny in an ironic way. They could just be teasing/joking?
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Posted: 22nd May 2010 00:06
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There are too many more important things to be concerned about.

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I was just disappointed that I couldn't join in on the conversation about Lost.




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Start a new post - I'm always up for some LOST discussion. Was gonna start a thread about the horrible state of TV right now - Lost finishing, Heroes cancelled, Flashforward finishing, American Chopper cancelled, Trailer park boys finished...

There really are more things to be concerned about!


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Van helsing being repeated for the fourth day in a row, being aired 3x a day... Thank god for streaming


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Quote: "There really are more things to be concerned about"


Yes, like the fact we have a 3 day long weekend (where I am anyways), the sun is shining, and we have to stock up on the beer for our barbecue.

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Posted: 22nd May 2010 00:24 Edited at: 22nd May 2010 00:26
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It just goes to prove that locking is being used as a debating tool (i.e. I disagree, here have a lock) rather than a control tool (this endangers the rules of the forum or the members within it).

Because last time I checked, forum members discussing reasonably on what quantifies a flame or a 'bad post' is in itself not automatically a flame or a bad post

Flame != disagreeing with something

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Posted: 22nd May 2010 00:38
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Quote: "They could just be teasing/joking?"


Yes it was a joke. Which I would have thought was obvious to everyone reading it.

Quote: "Flame != disagreeing with something"


There was no 'debate' in that thread. It turned into another thread where people complain about the mods. Everything had been said half a dozen times. It's funny how the people whose threads are locked are the ones most against the mods. Also that particular thread had run its course there was nothing productive going to come out of it.

Quote: "Agree. Mods are becoming high and mighty, and it's starting to get on everyone's nerves. Glad I don't visit the boards too much anymore."


Posts like this are simply flamebait, and you know it David R (I know you didn't make the post, but I'm referring to you because of your "Flame != disagreeing with something" comment. If we truly were simply locking posts that were debate which we didn't agree with, there would be more locked posts than the handful that are around. I mean I would simply lock any thread which you posted in without even reading your post

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Quote: "It's funny how the people whose threads are locked are the ones most against the mods. Also that particular thread had run its course there was nothing productive going to come out of it."
i agree, don't worry, i'm not against mods at all, i know that they're just doing their jobs. My only comment is I think that you went a little too far in my thread with the Lost though...

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Posted: 22nd May 2010 01:39
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We only lock threads when we have to.We have better things to do than that.
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Posted: 22nd May 2010 01:43 Edited at: 22nd May 2010 01:47
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They were CLEARLY joking with those last few posts. Calm down everyone, there's no conspiracy!

I wonder if we need some new mods? Many of the mods have all but disappeared over the past year. Perhaps we need some new blood?

Quote: "i.e. I disagree, here have a lock"


You have NO idea what you're talking about. Many of the locks are discussed beforehand in the mod lounge, and quite often we ask other mods for second opinions and/or locking advice. We're not just coldly locking every thread we disagree with. Obviously

I have stated more times than I can remember that I disagree with someone, and I don't lock the thread JUST because of it. That kind of mod wouldn't get past the front gates for one thing. If the thread gets out of hand, and I happen to disagree with the topic author or the flamer, then it could appear that I have locked it because I disagree. That accusation is not fair to us, frankly.


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While I see points on both sides, it was quite obvious (and funny) that they were only joking in that thread.

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Quote: "I wonder if we need some new mods? Many of the mods have all but disappeared over the past year. Perhaps we need some new blood?
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If you need some new mods, I think Green Gandalf should be a candidate based on how much help he has given around here.

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Posted: 22nd May 2010 01:54
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I've put the suggestion into the mod forum and I'll see what the others have to say. There will probably be a separate thread created if we need another mod.


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Quote: "I wonder if we need some new mods? Many of the mods have all but disappeared over the past year. Perhaps we need some new blood?"


I dunno. There has been quite an influx of users, but the current mods seem to be handling it just fine. If you do chose a new mod, I vote Green Gandalf as well!

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Posted: 22nd May 2010 02:00
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It was just a side thought from me, it's not an official thing, and it probably wouldn't come down to a public vote, anyways


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I think the main problem is that whenever someone gets slapped, banned or their thread gets locked, they take it as a personal attack against them. As if somehow we are doing it just to pick on them.

Nothing is further from the truth.


Don't forget that we are users before we are mods. You guys have no idea how crap it is to "enforce our powers". I hate banning people, and slapping people and locking threads.

Maybe you don't realise what goes on behind the scenes...


I once received a lovely email from someone who I slapped for 3 days which said:

Quote: "I know where you live"


And to be honest with you, this sort of personal attack happens more often than I would like it to.

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Quote: "No there mocking the stupidity of repeatidly arguing over a silly pointless lock which escalated to just hissy fitting."


Quote: "it was quite obvious (and funny) that they were only joking in that thread."


These were both pretty obvious and amusing to me, as well. I was also able to appreciate the irony in that last thread being locked.

Quote: "There really are more things to be concerned about"


Agreed. I wouldn't take anything on an internet forum too seriously. Maybe on the Playstation network...but not an internet forum!

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Quote: "It was just a side thought from me, it's not an official thing, and it probably wouldn't come down to a public vote, anyways "


While I agree that the public shouldn't be wholly responsible in choosing mods, I think they should have some say in it. For example, mods could choose the candidates (and listen to suggestions of course), and have a vote among themselves. Normal members could have a vote as well. Add together the percentages of votes for each candidate from both the mods and members and whalah, and the one with the most votes is the a new mod! That way both mods and members have some say...mods just have more.

I'm not saying we need a new mod, that's just how I would do it.

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I can't help thinking that the Mods are getting bad press because of an influx of users who are making stupid threads. Stupid threads get made, Mods lock them, people complain the Mods are abusing their powers...

I think the Mods are doing a great job. Speaking for myself, I've not seen a locked thread here which was locked for a bad reason. The thread in question could have kept going a while longer but it was clear that it was pretty much going in circles. And the post-lock posts were made, not because the Mods are vindictive, but because they have a sense of humour.

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Quote: "I can't help thinking that the Mods are getting bad press because of an influx of users who are making stupid threads. Stupid threads get made, Mods lock them, people complain the Mods are abusing their powers..."


And we have the same 4 or 5 people who continuously moan about mods "abusing their powers", and yadda yadda. At first I listened to them and did my own investigations. But recently when I see that it's often the same people whinging and moaning, again and again, year after year, all the while 99.9% of the others are perfectly happy with the mods, then I take a lot of it with a grain of salt. I will still read over the threads in question, but it's a waste of my time to respond to each and every flamebaited post they make. If they're really THAT unhappy, they can use the Report Abuse button and see what TGC has to say about it. I have never seen a mod disbarred from a complaint, so I'm fairly sure overall we're a positive force.


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To be completely honest, the mods are doing a better than fine job. Whenever a thread gets started about flaming and locked threads and such, I tend to just stay out of them, because it is always going to lead down the same path; flamewar, lock. Each time that they lock a thread, I believe that they do so, because they have thought the subject through and have come to the conclusion to lock the thread before more arguments start, and we see the same thing that happened when there were team request threads. I wouldn't say that anything is because of "stupid users," it is because such a sensitive matter has been brought up by the forum members. Just let mods do their job, they were picked for a reason.

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Posted: 22nd May 2010 03:17 Edited at: 22nd May 2010 03:17
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Quote: "It's funny how the people whose threads are locked are the ones most against the mods."


Eh? Who's that referring to?

Quote: "Also that particular thread had run its course there was nothing productive going to come out of it."


But that's the thing - I think the mods are too oversensitive to 'run its course'. I get the picture - that wasn't a lock due to disagreement, OK. But the "this has run its course" just seems far too quick.

The same thread had quite a bit of agreement that actual users were being oversensitive. I agree with this - but I also think the mods are being oversensitive. OK, maybe not oversensitive - but a bit too... I don't know how to put it. Quick to lock things. Not in a bad way, but in a overprotective way. We get that you're guarding against flames and being proactive but sometimes it seems a bit too much.

That thread turned kind of sour with critique of the mods - but at the same time, none of it was outrageously 'flamey'. It's a provocative topic but it was not spurring on outbursts or anything. And I think sometimes that kind of 'vent' is needed - otherwise it becomes circular. The fact this thread exists, in fact, is a demonstration of this.

The slaps and bans I couldn't care less about - but maybe the process of locking just needs to slow down a little. Instant is good when a thread is a run away train of abuse, but other things just need to run their course without artificial limiting

Quote: "You have NO idea what you're talking about. Many of the locks are discussed beforehand in the mod lounge, and quite often we ask other mods for second opinions and/or locking advice. We're not just coldly locking every thread we disagree with. Obviously"


Being fair, since we can't actually see this, there is no possible way I could have known what I was talking about.

But that's also the thing - if you can't see something, the motives are hidden. I'm not saying the motives are ever bad - but not seeing that discussion behind the scenes leaves people with the wrong impression. The robotic quote of the AUP rarely serves as an explanation either

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Quote: "If that is the most annoying thing on the forum, then us mods are doing a fantastic job."


That is not a logical conclusion to that premise.

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I think it's pretty clear the mods were joking around in that thread, now I'm trying to figure out if GG is .


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Quote: "I once received a lovely email from someone who I slapped for 3 days which said:

Quote: "I know where you live""


I'd say that deserves a good perma-ban.

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Ahh, sometimes i am glad that i only frequent the 3D Chat forums, they are nice an' calm

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Quote: "Ahh, sometimes i am glad that i only frequent the 3D Chat forums, they are nice an' calm "


Usually.

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Nono its all good now i think, if anyone is out of order, being there just BigAdd to moderate, sometimes some flames go un-noticed, but it is actually a good thing, because the flamers just look stupid, and it dissolves on its own.

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David R, I agree with you totally, despite the fact I think the mods we have are great mods.

Quote: "I think it's pretty clear the mods were joking around in that thread, now I'm trying to figure out if GG is .
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I think the main purpose of this thread is funnily enough about them joking around.. But to me they deserve it at points.


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Quote: "Ahh, sometimes i am glad that i only frequent the 3D Chat forums, they are nice an' calm "

But there are the model pirates.


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Quote: "And we have the same 4 or 5 people who continuously moan about mods "abusing their powers", and yadda yadda."

That thread would be the first time I've critiqued the mods. For a good reason too, you guys are all great guys. You help out as volunteers doing a job that makes many people dislike you. I do think that you could work on your public image though, hence the critique.

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Quote: "And we have the same 4 or 5 people who continuously moan about mods "abusing their powers", and yadda yadda."


I saw no (significant) moaning on that thread, in fact I saw some valid points (well, at least one regarding threads being needlessly locked when they stray from the initial topic). It's true that you most often see people whose threads have been locked complaining, but that doesn't say a lot.

If you're going to brush off valid criticism as moaning then... what can I say.
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I don't know how people can be surprised of so many locked threads and slaps and bans if no newcommers or even old members read the rules. Those who regulary get slapped or their threads get locked should be post moderated all the time.


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I don't post as much as I used to, but as I still lurk around the forums. I have noticed that there seems to be a signifigant number of more locked threads and people saying they were slappped, than in the past.

I don't know the causes or the reasons, but I have to admit, it does appear that the mods are being over sensitive.
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Quote: "I have noticed that there seems to be a signifigant number of more locked threads and people saying they were slappped, than in the past."


I just went through the logs and in the past week 14 threads were locked. That's 2 a day on average. Which doesn't seem all that much to me.

And a few of those were General Jackson's "WHY AM I NOOB SLAPPED" threads.

So from my point of view it seems that, rather than overly sensitive mods, some people are being overly sensitive about having their threads locked. They then post to complaint about said thread being locked, which 9 times out of 10 results in that thread being locked.

How about people who have a genuine problem with their threads being locked email the mod who did it. No they'd rather have a forum drama (locked thread), and then post a goodbye thread (which also gets locked).

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Quote: "Quote: "I know where you live"

And to be honest with you, this sort of personal attack happens more often than I would like it to."


Heh heh...Heh...Heh...

...


...We do.

Quote: "some people are being overly sensitive about having their threads locked."


Exactly. The mods here are doing great guys, you're hurting their feelings saying all this about them.

It's okay guys, I still like you.

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The same thing always happens:
- Someone makes a controversial thread
- After first few posts someone posts a stupid comment
- More stupid comments
- Thread gets locked
- Creator blames lock on the fact that the thread was controversial

The only better way I can think of is if maybe the thread hasn't got out of hand yet you could edit/delete the stupid comments, but you probably do that anyway...


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People appear to be living this forum in reality! It's only a forum, it's not real life guys cool down.

Also nothing personal Green Gandalf you're a great support to this community and have contributed ton's of help. But if it were up to me I wouldn't elect you as a mod, why? What were you thinking when you started this thread? Surely you would know that while their are some of us who see the funny side, it generally ends up in a massive debate...

Maybe you were drinking when you posted? lol

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Quote: "What were you thinking when you started this thread? "


Lol, I think you've misinterpreting. I mean, I don't know exactly why either, but I'm guessing there is more behind the scenes I don't know maybe. Plus, it wouldn't be like him to start crap.

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The only problem I have with this forum's moderating is that when I get slapped I can't find out why. If I get slapped, would it be that hard to send me an email saying why I got slapped and the original comment that I posted?

60% of the time I know perfectly why I've been slapped. The other 40% I have no idea and it would just be nice to know why. I'd also like to know how long it will last. At least with bans you know how long you'll be banned for (not that I've been banned that often ).
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One more thing that I felt like pointing out. Before threads get locked, there aren't as many warnings any more. I remember before that mods would tell people to calm down before the thread gets locked. If people were given a warning before the thread gets locked, they might be less prone to get upset about it being locked.

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Quote: "But there are the model pirates."


Yarr there may be laddy, but we're scarier than the those matey's in teh FPSC model board.

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* completly misses the point *

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Quote: "That thread would be the first time I've critiqued the mods."


Well I wasn't lumping you in that group for the record.

Quote: "If you're going to brush off valid criticism as moaning then... what can I say."


Did you read my post? I said I investigate every complaint FIRST, and I still do. No "brushing off" necessary

Quote: "How about people who have a genuine problem with their threads being locked email the mod who did it. No they'd rather have a forum drama (locked thread), and then post a goodbye thread (which also gets locked)."


Exactly. I can't even remember the last time someone sent me a complaint email.

Quote: "60% of the time I know perfectly why I've been slapped. The other 40% I have no idea and it would just be nice to know why."


Well by your calculations if you've been slapped enough to have percentages like that, then you already know what you're doing wrong


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woohoo my noob slap ends in 5 days, finally, after one month of waiting.

and yet, i havent complained have i? i got a BAN, and then i mailed the mod who banned me, talked things through and i ended up with a 30day noob slap istead of a month ban.. i think it was a week.

anyhow i suppose iam trying to make a point like: mods do what they believe is right. and they do what they must. if you disagree you should mail them and also, if you mail them try being polite, swearing and complaining wont help a bit.

yes, i've noticed the mods have gotten a bit more harsch, but thats understandable, considering the amount of flame-posts, flame threads, unnecessary threads and a like we acually have here.


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Posted: 23rd May 2010 01:36 Edited at: 23rd May 2010 01:36
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Oops! I seem to have inadvertently started something. Only just revisited it.

This joke has run its course - but to answer a few questions before the thread gets locked: No there wasn't any ulterior motive behind it. It was just my youthful sense of mischief getting the better of me for once.

Will this thread get locked the instant it becomes "hot"?
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