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Geek Culture / DIY? Building or Buying a Desktop

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lazerus
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Posted: 26th May 2010 00:20
Well today I seen the specs of a pc made by alien ware, having missed the fond days of creating dream desktops with their customise features I decided to give it a go. Nowadays I’m a little more informed on what I need so I was critical when selecting the options even though it was quite addictive more indulgent to choose the ‘’best’’ parts. I removed the silly extras, gaming mouse £80, Keyboard with new ‘misleading term’ feature! £100, Microsoft office only £150! (Student = £50)
So I eventually dodged jumped and manoeuvred my way through all the extras and personalisation such as the avatar and wallpaper, useless since you can just Google for them. Though it does make it seem like you are in charge and its all for you (very nice selling ploy). Now I reached the print out stage, happy I hadn’t went over the top, scrolled to the price and it came out at £1800. I could go out and buy car and insure it for that price, probably get a couple of tanks while I am at it. Sure its alien ware and it will be a little excessive but I scraped the lowest spec within reason and it’s just slapped me in the face for all my hard work.
Now I am in the process in getting or wanting to migrate into a new desktop for university. I have about £1000 on the very highest limit possible; of course, I don’t want all to spend all that on a pc, that’s a whole lot of clothes, ale and two weeks food there. (Okay maybe one but give me a break! I have a huge metabolism to compete with!)
I have tried the likes of curries, pc world and comet, Prices differ even though there all under the same company and shipped from the same branch. Dell got close but always lacked something in the end which was a little disappointing. For the rig I have now, I enlisted the help of a small what you would call indie computer shop. For half the price, they doubled the specs of the mainstream shops.
I don’t have the technical knowhow on compatibility for cards, board and ram, hell for being on a ‘geek’ forum I’m not very good with algebra calculations (I killed that side of me in choosing art) So the question is how can companies get away with pricing crap at such excessive rates? I pondered that for a while then I realised most the population doesn’t have a bloody clue what half it does. To this end and not wanting to be completely ripped off when I decide to build my own rig I decimated Google and wiki links in a bid to get a step up. I failed with only a headache and a lot of useless knowledge to show for it. I didn’t want to post here till I got a grasp at it but you guys have a lot more firsthand experience at this than a person who thinks only 4 electrical shocks a week is lucky and not setting something on fire is a achievement.
To sum up what I want to ask;
-Without the option for trial and error, how would you go about building yourself a new computer?
-What is compatible with boards, cards, ram?
-Power supply and correct cooling, also linked to the cards, I know that anything over Geforce 8500 needs a larger power supply but how do you know what to use is there some sort of system to it?
-In addition, for future reference for any others who want to build their own computers, could you point out any wholesale/discount/cheap parts sites that deliver to England, UK? I know of Newegg but Its USA only.

So yeah that’s pretty much it lol,
As a point to make this a little more formal i structured it to a point. Its the least I could do with so much text and asking for a so much lol

Thanks for any help,
Conor

zeroSlave
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Posted: 26th May 2010 01:04
You might check out tigerdirect.com They usually have some pretty slick deals.

I'm not the most advanced hardware person there is (and I usually get the terminology incorrect , but when I build my PCs, I keep these things in mind:

I would start with a Motherboard. (You could even go motherboard/processor combo which can come out pretty good) Nowadays, most motherboards have built in network cards, soundcards, usb ports, and etc. so you wouldn't have to worry about getting any of these things for the PC.

There are a few things you will want to take into consideration on the motherboard:
1. CPU socket type. (You will have to know this for your processor.)
2. Memory type and amount. (Will need this info for RAM)
3. FSB (Will need this info for RAM as well. If it runs at 1333MHz, and the Mem type supported is DDR2, you will want your RAM to be 1333MHz DDR2 RAM. You can go 800MHz RAM, but for better performance, the higher the better and if they match, you will get the best performance)
4. Card Slots. (PCI? PCI x16? Mostly for graphic cards and other add ons, but not necessarily needed unless you plan to install extra USB ports, diff sound card, and other various expansion cards. I don't even know if they make AGP ports anymore since it seems all graphic cards are PCI express nowadays.)

Those are going to be the most basic things for the start of building a machine that I can think of. You might want to take into consideration the type of harddrive you will be going with. IDE, RAID, SATA, SCSI, etc. You probably won't need to bother with this since your typical HDD is IDE, but nonetheless, you might keep it in the back of your head.

The rest is mostly up to you as far as graphics cards, HDDs, DVD roms, etc. Then, I would worry about the power supply last. And as far as power supplies go, check out: this handy, dandy calculator.

Good luck!

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Posted: 26th May 2010 01:44 Edited at: 26th May 2010 01:47
retailers overcharge for assembly and because they have people who build many of them every day, the assembly is kinda low quality since they dont care about this PC youre gonna buy. It dosent take a rocket genius to build a system and chances are because its your system, you will be very careful when building (even if its your first time) it and it will end up much better quality assembly then those craps you buy at bestbuy or crap. Also you have freedom of choice here, so do some research to select whatever parts you believe are better and fit your wallet, make sure theyre compatible with everything and youll be fine. Also everyone loves the person who builds their own stuff vs buys it. i guess it makes you hardcore

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Posted: 26th May 2010 02:55
Maybe we should make a new board on the forum just for acquiring new PCs since there seems to be so many posts in the past few months.


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Posted: 26th May 2010 03:12
You can pretty easily get a decent PC for less then the amount you are looking for.

CHASSIS COLOR Cosmic Black, Alienware Aurora Chassis
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™ i3 530 Dual Core 2.93GHz (4MB Cache)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium, 64bit, English
VIDEO CARD ATI Radeon™ HD 5670, 1GB GDDR5
MEMORY 3GB DDR3 at 1333MHz
MONITOR No Monitor
HARD DRIVE 500GB - SATA-II, 3Gb/s, 7,200RPM, 16MB Cache HDD
SOUND CARD Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio

$999, or about 700 British Pounds.

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Posted: 26th May 2010 08:48 Edited at: 26th May 2010 08:56
If you build it yourself and watch out for deals, you can save a lot of money on good parts. Free shipping from Amazon, cheap cases and power supplies from geeks.com , other things from newegg and mwave and tigerdirect - just look around and make sure all the parts are compatible. I would advise an AMD system, as you can get cheap but very upgradeable parts for it, if you opt for a socket AM3 system.

EDIT: Just read the part about compatibility, but you shouldn't be too afraid of it - there are just a few things you want to watch out for:

- You want a power supply that will give sufficient power for the videocard, probably 500w or more, and make sure the power supply has plugs that the videocard can use (it probably does if its new and has that high a wattage)
- The number of pins on the RAM sticks and the motherboard have to match
- The clock speed of the RAM cant exceed the accepted clock speed for the the motherboard
- The CPU and motherboard sockets have to match
- The motherboard might only support a maximum wattage for the CPU, so make sure you read the specs of the motherboard and CPU (Newegg is quite good about supplying this)

I think thats about it. You can't really screw up building a computer, generally if a part isn't supposed to go somewhere, it wont fit. The hardest part might be to connect the case to the motherboard, but that's usually not bad at all and its well documented by the motherboard instructions.

Hope that helps.

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Posted: 26th May 2010 08:59
Definitely self build. Once you've decided the right components the actual assembly is a breeze

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charger bandit
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Posted: 26th May 2010 14:16
For 1000 pounds,you should self build the ultimate pc.

Now to start:

AMD Phenom X4 best edition or Intel Core I7
AM3 socket Asus Crosshair or a very good MB for 1336 socket
Geforce GTX295x2(maybe GTX470) or Radeon 5870
800 watt PSU
1TB Western Digital Black HDD
Pick the case that you like (Antec 902,Alienware, etc.)

Should come around 1000 pounds.

Cooling should not be a problem since all of these components are pretty much cool. But I wouldn't suggest building such computer a home since if you screw something up,1000 pounds can go to waste. Rather pay an extra 20 pounds to get it done right.


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Posted: 26th May 2010 14:46
Thanks guys ^__^
Its seems that i keep getting misinformed by sites;

http://www.alienware.com/build_vs_buy_pages/index.aspx#

Thats what made me a little worried. Little buggers.

I guess it was nothing, an thanks charger bandit ill take alook at that setup, though i dont want to spend the full £1000 that'd just be stupud lol.

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Posted: 26th May 2010 15:28
I won $500 off intel, and I put a bit of money to that myself and I built my new rig on Monday.

Cpu : AMD ATHLON II X3 2.9GHZ
Ram : 2gb DDR3 1300mhz
Gfx : Nvidia Geforce GTS 250 512mb
HDD : Seagate Barracuda, 250gb
Western Digital Caviar, 500gb

PSU : FSP 400watt
CASE: Asus chassis
DVD : Sony SATA DVD/RW

Add to that a couple of fans and delivery, it came to about £400.
It runs real nice and no problems with any games as of yet. If you have more than 400 then you don't need to cheap out on the motherboard as I did, and you can get a bit more ram and possibly a better graphics card.

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Posted: 26th May 2010 17:45 Edited at: 26th May 2010 17:47
edit nvermind just found so more info lol

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Posted: 26th May 2010 21:06
Well if you don't want to spend 1k then:

AMD Phenom X4 a decent one
AM3 motherboard in around 150 pounds range
Geforce GTX295/Radeon 5770
650 watt PSU
A Western Digital HDD depending on your needs
A cool case (Antec 300,900)

You will come in around 600 pounds max for a very great PC.


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Posted: 26th May 2010 21:47
Quote: "I won $500 off intel"


How?

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Posted: 26th May 2010 22:09
Unless you're looking for a low-cost budget PC, it's probably going to always be cheaper to build it yourself.


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Posted: 27th May 2010 08:51
It's always better to build it yourself, I think. You don't know what's in that box when you buy it prebuilt for you. That's one thing I like about the machines I use. As I build them myself, I know what's inside and I know what to replace if something breaks.

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Posted: 27th May 2010 09:42
Also more fun to build yourself

The only computers I ever buy new are laptops (or rather, the only one computer I've ever bought new). It's not unreasonable to think that for $600-700 (400-500 pounds) you can build a better than average gaming pc. With the 1000 pounds to spend you can get some pretty nice hardware. Check out http://nbewegg.com. My friend's building a 6-core machine with 8 gigs of ram and a Radeon HD4870 (or something like that, also don't know speeds/buses) but says he found a pretty good configuration for around $1600 (1100 pounds).

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lazerus
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Posted: 27th May 2010 14:54
You are a legend Charger b.

Im going to start pricing everything up now and look for deals.

Drools over possible ram that could hold...

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Posted: 27th May 2010 14:56
No problem. If you build a list,just post it here and i'll advise as much as possible.


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Posted: 27th May 2010 15:45
Quote: "You don't know what's in that box when you buy it prebuilt for you"

Normally, yes.

However, my current desktop box was built in front of my eyes with components that I chose - it was at the weekly computer fair at the motorcycle museum near Coventry.

lazerus
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Posted: 27th May 2010 16:37 Edited at: 27th May 2010 16:47
AMD Phenom X4 Quad Core 9850 2.50GHz Black Edition

Antec EarthWatts 650 Power supply

Antec Nine Hundred Tower

Asus Crosshair IV Formula Motherboard AM3 AMD 890FX

Zotac GeForce GTX 295

Corsair XMS3 2x1GB ddr3 Ram


£760.65 + delivery so about £780ish

On The GTX-295's ive noticed alot of prefixs such as msi, xeon, zotac ect... are these just a fad type thing or are they differnt brands. The msi was identical but £100 cheaper so i was thinking there knockoffs or somthing.

I am tempted to buy the GTX, but its a whole lot of cash for a part, sums over half the price lol. So the Radeon 5770 might be in order to keep it cheaper then upgrade when ive got the spare cash/drop in price.

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Posted: 27th May 2010 16:42
Hmm isnt the core clock a bit slow on the GFX card?
Core Clock: 576MHz
Shader Clock: 1242MHz
Memory Clock: 1998MHz GDDR3

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Posted: 27th May 2010 18:16 Edited at: 27th May 2010 18:24
That configuration is perfect but I am not so sure about the GPU. THIS Radeon 5870 XFX edition should literally make mincemeat out of any game nowadays. Other editions of the Radeon 5870 are also good but this one is one of the best since it has a great cooling system.

The Phenom you picked is good but I noticed that the one you picked does not include a cooler and has very little cache. Look for 4-6MB cache Phenoms with a cooler included.


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Posted: 27th May 2010 19:10 Edited at: 27th May 2010 20:01
Found a better cached version @ 6mb'
AMD Phenom II X4 3 GHz Processor

Stats;
Model num' 945
3.0 GHzx4
Total L2 Cache; 2MB
L3 Cache; 6MB
socket AM3, 95W, 45nm SOI

After searching around though, no-one seems to supply the heat shrink combo, within reason and not bundeled with alot of other gear. So ill need to find an appropreate shrink/+-/fan system to keep it cool.

As for the graphics card its a still a little too expensive to justify. Ill dabble in the model numbers and find a reasonable trade off.

Edit compatable fan;

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus Processor

Going for about a £150 on the graphics card, wont be OTT tech but itll manage for a long while.

Edit 2//

[href=http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/product_geforce_gtx_275_uk.html]
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275[/href]
This seems to cover alot of what'll ill need.

Price tag is £165

Well thats pretty much it.

pheww thanks for the help guy's, So much reading+working everything out, has made my head hurt ^_^"

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Posted: 27th May 2010 20:13
Might want to have a look on newegg.com as well. Tiger direct sometimes has the lower price, but I HATE their website.

But yeah... definitely build.

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Posted: 27th May 2010 20:14
OK almost perfect,for the CPU cooler go for Scythe Mugen 2,the best cooler you can buy and is only slightly more expensive from the one you picked

The final computer is:

AMD Phenom X4 3ghz
Antec EarthWatts 650w
Antec 900 case
Asus Crosshair IV motherboard
Geforce GTX275
Scythe Mugen 2 CPU cooler
Corsair XMS DDR3 2GB ram

You will be able to easily run games without problems


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Posted: 27th May 2010 20:41
£598 Perfect ^______________^

That leaves plenty for other gear. Ahhh i can relax now, This new rig should do me through Uni and save me the expense of a render farm.

Now i need to wait for my cash to clear and ill begin to construct this little monster.

Thanks again guys

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Posted: 27th May 2010 21:01
No problem,you can ask for tips and help at any time.


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