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Geek Culture / TGC Copyright stuff scares me !

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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 9th Jun 2010 20:32 Edited at: 9th Jun 2010 20:33
So, I was reading the AUP, and I think I might take my game down from the boards. It says:

Quote: "5.2 By posting your messages / files and screen shots to our web sites you are giving us express permission to display and redistribute those files in any manner we see fit including all forms of digital and printed media.

5.3 If you wish to post screen shots / files that are of work controlled under copyright and/or distribution restrictions then you must obtain permission from us before doing so, otherwise you forfeit this right. The content of all web sites, unless stated otherwise, is (C) Copyright The Game Creators Ltd, all rights reserved."


I'm going to be my selling my game, I'm not just going to hand over the copyrights anymore after all my hard work!
lazerus
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Posted: 9th Jun 2010 20:53
I think your reading into it far too much. The fact that you posted WIP's and other data under your name gives proof of ownership, TGC are'nt just going to rip your work and sell it. If they were like that why would the community be so active?

Uncle Sam
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Posted: 9th Jun 2010 20:55
You work for them, I know it!

Jk. I guess so. It still worries me.
Hobgoblin Lord
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Posted: 9th Jun 2010 21:56
I think that disclaimer is so if they wanted to link to your WIP in the newsletter or similar you don't sue them for reposting your screenshots etc.

Quik
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Posted: 9th Jun 2010 22:10
Quote: "TGC are'nt just going to rip your work and sell it"


iam not sure, even with their AUP, they can lol


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Nickydude
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Posted: 9th Jun 2010 23:59 Edited at: 9th Jun 2010 23:59
I think what it means is that if you post a screen shot and TGC like the look of it they may reproduce it in the newsletter or on their site saying "Look what one of our users have done! Isn't it fantastic! (or words to that effect. )

Tom J
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Posted: 10th Jun 2010 01:12
Seems like a kind of pointless rule to me then as I think anyone here would absolutely love to get into the newsletter
Lonnehart
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Posted: 10th Jun 2010 01:49
Believe it or not, there are poeple who DON'T want to be in a newsletter(no, I'm not one of them). I guess they just don't like the extra publicity or something...

Uncle Sam
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Posted: 10th Jun 2010 10:12
I hope you're all right...
Van B
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Posted: 10th Jun 2010 10:27
It's standard thing on a forum - if you post screenshots here, then TGC need to have permission to show them, that simply implies that when signing the AUP, you give TGC permission to show your screenshots. They might use them in the newsletter, front page even.

The second statement is about what happens if you are working on a copyrighted game, if you don't want TGC to show your screenshots in some places, then you need to discuss the restrictions before posting them.


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bitJericho
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Posted: 11th Jun 2010 01:41 Edited at: 11th Jun 2010 04:42
It basically says anything you post on the forums is free for tgc to do what it will

Do not post a full copy of your game on these forums and it won't be something TGC can rip off and sell

Don't post models/artwork that TGC can rip off and sell.

Don't post media in a game demo that tgc can rip off and sell.

While I don't think it's TGC's intention to resell media you might include in a zip file demo of your game, it's something that TGC needs to protect themselves from if you post your demo and TGC (and it's associated forum) redistributes it for free or otherwise.

Uncle Sam
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Posted: 11th Jun 2010 04:44
Yeah, it's the files that I mainly worry about. I'll just do what you said Jerico, encrypt the media. I'll have to buy the enhancement pack to do that...so in the end TGC win, because they get my money. Actually, I was going to buy it anyways.

Better yet, I'll just put the demo on my website! Except that might not work because of this part:

Quote: "The content of all web sites, unless stated otherwise, is (C) Copyright The Game Creators Ltd, all rights reserved."


That doesn't make any sense! You just can't say that. If I post a link to Microsoft.com, does that mean TGC own the copyright?
Libervurto
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Posted: 11th Jun 2010 05:45
Quote: "The content of all web sites, unless stated otherwise, is (C) Copyright The Game Creators Ltd, all rights reserved."

Does that mean YOU have to state it or it has to be stated on the website? That is a bit strange, TGC colonizing the web with links!

Van B
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Posted: 11th Jun 2010 10:17
Quote: "display and redistribute"


Not sell.


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Insanity Complex
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Posted: 11th Jun 2010 12:34
From my perspective, that applies strictly to media you post here. So yeah, they can display and redistribute anything you post to the forums. But really, that's all WIP and promotion stuff that you'd be posting, so where's the real loss? I imagine anything you were actually intending to sell, you wouldn't post here, but rather provide a link to an external source of your choosing, which I think resolves the issue entirely

Van B
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Posted: 11th Jun 2010 14:50
I'll post and explain the section from the AUP, because that's just part of it - the actual part (5.1) of the AUP which is most important has been left out of the discussion:

5.1 All third party files offered on our web sites remain the copyright of their respective holders. The postings made in the Forums remain the copyright of their respective author.
Anything you post or upload to TGC's website remain your copyright/ownership. Unless you specify who holds the copyright, it is assumed that it belongs to you.

5.2 By posting your messages / files and screen shots to our web sites you are giving us express permission to display and redistribute those files in any manner we see fit including all forms of digital and printed media.
Redistribute means those files can be moved to wherever they need to be, display means that you give permission for TGC to show your images wherever relevant. By posting a screenshot, you are also allowing TGC to show that same screenshot in a fairly lax way - it means they can show it in your thread, but also they might include it in the newsletter, or even printed media (magazine reviews of TGC products - using your images to show what can be done).

5.3 If you wish to post screen shots / files that are of work controlled under copyright and/or distribution restrictions then you must obtain permission from us before doing so, otherwise you forfeit this right. The content of all web sites, unless stated otherwise, is (C) Copyright The Game Creators Ltd, all rights reserved.
If you are held under any copyrights for what you are uploading, then that needs to be discussed with TGC so that the copyright agreement can be upheld - maybe it's fine for screenshots of a certain version of the software but not others, maybe the developer wants to keep things on the down low, so might only want the image to be displayed on the forum to registered members, but not the newsletter etc. Again, copyright/ownership is assumed because nobody really expresses that here in a legal sense - it would probably only be a factor if you were bound by an Non-Disclosure Agreement - but you wanted to say, upload a screenshot of a bug.

This bit:
The content of all web sites, unless stated otherwise, is (C) Copyright The Game Creators Ltd, all rights reserved.

That's a sentence, it pertains to the website your actually looking at - not your screenshots or anything like that. TGC take no ownership of your media, they assume permission to use it because you uploaded a screenshot to their website, that is pretty much all.


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Uncle Sam
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Posted: 11th Jun 2010 20:46
Thanks Van B. Contacting my lawyer to call off the case.

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