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TheComet
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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 19:41 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 19:44
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If you feel offended or in any way abused by paranormal activity, please leave this thread immediately.

With that said, this is a real shocker for me. Not in a negative way though. This is really very exciting.

Here's what happened : Me and my friend were in his room at his house. We were just talking about crap, when my friend went to the toilet. I remembered that my brother wanted to see my friends guitar, so I decided to take a picture of it. At the time of the picture taking, no one was in the room except for me. I took the picture in a squatting position near the door about a meter away from the guitar.

Then about 5 minutes later, my friend came back from the toilet, and I asked him if this picture looked good. He said it didn't look bad, but studying it more closely he found someone in the reflection of the guitar sitting on the chair in front of the piano.

We quickly looked around at the chair at the piano, and we could not spot anything that could have formed the face. We even set up the same angle and position and took the picture again, but the face wasn't there anymore, just a coat on a chair.

Here is the picture :



As you can see, there is a face on top of the chair as if someone is sitting on it, and he is looking towards the camera. But there are no feet at the bottom of the chair. I suppose that he also has an arm extended out on the piano. As I noted before, we set up the same angle and position, and the resulting picture did not have that head or arm in it.

Now I bet there are going to be many people saying things like "Gha, you set that up!" or "What a bunch of crap!, well, believe what you want. I know that I was in this room by myself, and I know that I did not set it up.

I find this very interesting, what do you all think about it?

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 20:02 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 20:03
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I think you should call the ghost busters. Oh, and be careful the Michelin man might be lurking in the shadows!

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 20:04
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So that's the one with the fface? Why didn't you take another one without hte face. But I really do believe those things happen thou, I never seen one of these things happen (only heard)

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 20:13
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The ghost looks a bit like Kurt Cobain :S hauting the guitar...

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 20:22 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 20:24
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Quote: "Oh, and be careful the Michelin man might be lurking in the shadows!"

I'm pretty sure that was the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

The one thing that I find the most interesting (I'm not discrediting you, it's just an observation,) is that the ghost appears to be a solid, when most people assume that a ghost is transparent.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 20:29
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I have no reason to believe that it's NOT a ghost. While I don't believe that they're everywhere, lurking about miserably and haunting houses, I don't see why one couldn't "go back" to a place that they knew and loved during their life time and see what it's like now.

My "religious" beliefs don't really cover the matter, honestly. Although there is a verse in the bible saying that a "witch" from the Old Testament did resurrect a person in spirit-form, essentially...I wish I could remember which story that was, but I KNOW it's in there somewhere.

But yeah. I have no reason to believe that ghost's couldn't NOT exist.

Can we see that other picture for comparison? honestly, I don't really see a "face" so much as I see a lousy-low quality image that might have created some noise in that dark area. But if that "arm" isn't there in the next pic, then that might be a little scarier.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 20:38 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 20:58
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Your brain is trained to spot patterns. An arrangement of random objects and shadows will create something like in your picture that you will instantly see as a 'person'

It isn't.

Dunno about anyone else but I often get this at night when going to sleep. Objects in the dark that are illuminated strangely (combined with shadows) can resemble all manner of things. You get up, go look at the objects only to find nothing. Your eyes and brain trick you because you're constantly attempting to find patterns in visual mess

That or it's just a total fake which is my vote Ghosts happen to wear all black? (and wear gloves by the looks of it too) How convenient

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Quote: ". But there are no feet at the bottom of the chair."


There is what appears to be a foot visible on the bottom left of the reflection if you increase the brightness a bit. Could be the foot of a piece of furniture but to me it looks like someone wearing odd looking sandals

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 20:59 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 21:01
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If a "ghost" actually appeared in a photograph, then it would mean that the ghost is physical in nature, meaning that it isn't a ghost by any stretch of the conventional definition. So even if it is something "paranormal" (and I don't think it is), I think you can rule out "ghost", simply by the fact that it was captured with a camera.

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Just for the sake of argument,

1. the reflectivity is off, the lighting on the face should be greater from the angle of the shadows.
Theres a artifact from the person on the actual guitar aswell on the trim.
2. gloves on wood or skin.
3. looks an awefully lot like a mask i had once for halloween, bare teeth, deep sunken eyes.


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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 21:56 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 21:56
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Cool, but yeah, it's not 100% verifiable. Unfortunately I think the only thing one can do (until a valid scientifically rigorous observation/study of ghost appearances occurs) is say "interesting", and wait until one sees their own ghost

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Ghost's really need to spend more time judging the reflective properties of the inanimate objects around their haunting grounds. They keep getting caught out by this same old rouse!

haha! I appear behind you again!
Hmmm. That guitar is shiny.
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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 22:43 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 22:45
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Thats pretty interesting, wish i was there.



Quote: "Just for the sake of argument,

1. the reflectivity is off, the lighting on the face should be greater from the angle of the shadows.
Theres a artifact from the person on the actual guitar aswell on the trim.
2. gloves on wood or skin.
3. looks an awefully lot like a mask i had once for halloween, bare teeth, deep sunken eyes."


Your point?

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Okay guys, it is me. I just wanted to play the keyboard for a bit. I put on a mask to hide my true face...

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A ghost that you just happened to catch while randomly looking at reflections from your guitar with your camera?

I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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It couldn't have been a ghost, since they don't exist.
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Quote: "It couldn't have been a ghost, since they don't exist."


So you mean it must have been like a spirit or something?

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Posted: 30th Jun 2010 23:18 Edited at: 30th Jun 2010 23:18
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Haha Benjamin, so suave.

To be honest it looks a box/something going past the window etc, and that arm is clearly the arm of the chair.

Edit: Show the picture without ghost?

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This is my point;



Did you know you can just photoshop things these days???


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Quote: "So you mean it must have been like a spirit or something?"


Yeaaaaah no.

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Whoa! Nice guitar. Why are you posting a picture of your guitar?

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More likely to be a mask propped up on the chair, like lazerus has said. The kid obviously wants attention

Ghosts do not exist, but spirits do.

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Yes, Yes it is...

And the acdc thing of the side


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Quote: "But there are no feet at the bottom of the chair."


Then that's all the proof you need. Everyone knows ghosts don't have feet.


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I second the motion for a picture of the guitar/reflection without the ghost.


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@DavidR

I respect your non-paranormal opinion. I will not go into a heated argument about religions and beliefs, since that is against the AUP, but I know myself that I did not set this up, and I really do believe in ghosts and paranormal activity now.

Quote: "If a "ghost" actually appeared in a photograph, then it would mean that the ghost is physical in nature, meaning that it isn't a ghost by any stretch of the conventional definition. So even if it is something "paranormal" (and I don't think it is), I think you can rule out "ghost", simply by the fact that it was captured with a camera."


Your argument in honor, but there are too many "other cases" on the internet that DO capture non-physical objects, ghosts being one of them. It has been proven that cameras are capable of picking things up the eye can not see.

Quote: "1. the reflectivity is off, the lighting on the face should be greater from the angle of the shadows.
Theres a artifact from the person on the actual guitar aswell on the trim."


Show me one ghost picture where the reflectivity is on

And for the rest of your points, I refer you to bergice's first post.

@ Neuro Fuzzy

I would agree any other time, but this really happened to me...

Quote: "A ghost that you just happened to catch while randomly looking at reflections from your guitar with your camera?"


Well, that would be the first post in one sentence

Quote: "It couldn't have been a ghost, since they don't exist. "


lol

Quote: "Did you know you can just photoshop things these days???"


Yeah, but I am not at all talented in photoshop... I don't even have the program. I am only good at programming games, look at my post history

Quote: "Whoa! Nice guitar. Why are you posting a picture of your guitar?"


Because I have a sandwich in my ear.

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Yes I know this was not a shadow, but with the lack of light the idea is the same

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Quote: "And the acdc thing of the side"

???
The Blue Öyster Cult logo?

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or that lol.

It was in a AcDc symbol/logo dump in google so i assumed it was lol/


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Quote: "or that lol.

It was in a AcDc symbol/logo dump in google so i assumed it was lol/"




Well you certainly know your stuff, lol.

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As i said, i typed in google, acdc logos and thats what came up. the others were too domminent so i choose a less ott one. I never said i knew anything about them or even liked there songs.

So this nethier disproves or makes my opinion less valid in this thread.
Thats what you were getting at right?

If not im being paraniod and you can ignore me. I need more coffee.


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Quote: "Your argument in honor, but there are too many "other cases" on the internet that DO capture non-physical objects, ghosts being one of them. It has been proven that cameras are capable of picking things up the eye can not see."


You're missing the point. It doesn't matter what the eye and cannot see. Yes, certain cameras can pick up IR radiation. Certain cameras can pick up UV radiation. That's irrelevent. They're physical objects that work based on physical properties, by taking in physical energy in the form of light. If ghosts existed, they would be immaterial, and wouldn't possess physical properties, therefore a camera wouldn't pick them up.

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Funny how the first thing you thought when you saw the picture was "omg ghost!" I would have thought it was about a thousand different things that could have happened before I even remotely thought it was paranormal. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that I never would have given any credence to it being a ghost, if I was in your position.


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I took a look at it with JPEGsnoop, and I have determined...


...


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...that the photo was taken with an iPhone 3GS! Aha! GUILTY.

Anyways, I've narrowed the possible culprits down to two people.





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Wow that is pretty scary, however i found another possible suspect:



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WAIT?!, Shhhhh quiet I heard a noise! It sounded like a *duh* or maybe a *ba*.

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funny, i'm in a mountain house and trying to connect internet in basement both of my parents are sleeping and about a ten mintes ago while i was looking that picture electrics cut off. and then i heard a very loud noise and i understanded it was the hoperlors. ididnt understand whats going on and why was the hoparlors were open? i never scared like this before btw hour is here is 3:10 at midnight. i'm pretty sure everything has a understanable reason.and evrybody in here knows thas a photoshop or even its not looks like you and your friend are having some fun.

i dont believe in ghosts but i'm believe in ufos

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I'm not really one who believes in paranormal activity. I think people often see things that their mind puts into play, sorta like a false reality in order to help them cope with the loss of a loved one, friend, etc.

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Kalinka:

Ben Stiller and Will Smith.

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I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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I wouldn't jump to the immediate conclusion that it's a ghost, whilst it might be a freaky pic, but there's not enough there to suggest that it was one, regardless of paranormal beliefs or not. I'm not sure what's making the shape, but then it's impossible for me to tell, I don't know what was in his room at the time.

The issue with a lot of people thinking they've found a ghost is that they've seen something they can't explain and have jumped to the first conclusion that makes sense to them, but it doesn't mean that you've encountered a ghost, it's a difficult one to put a finger on, you've not seen enough to make a fair conclusion. At least that's what I argue.


By the same token, a few weeks ago I saw something flying in the sky and I couldn't figure out what it was, it didn't look like it could be a satellite, a plane or a helicopter (it was night and the sky was clear), one could assume it was an alien UFO, but I didn't, even if I can't find an explanation, it doesn't mean any conclusions I could have made were correct.

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I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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God? Or Batman's mate?


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Ok... So it's certainly not a bulldozer... What does that leave us with?

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Will Smith, Ben Stiller, an elephant, a box of Lucky Charms, and a set of permanent markers..

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Hmm, it can't be a box of Lucky Charms, they are too sweet...

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Ghosts tend to reflect in non-reflective surfaces like the attached picture. My mom took this at some fort during a tour (I added the circle).

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