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Neuro Fuzzy
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To any USA peeps here, Happy fourth of july!

To those of you that don't know, 4th of july is our independence day, where we celebrate the day that will smith flew up in an alien spacecraft, to install a computer virus in the mothership, thus saving earth from impending doom.


Is't life, I ask, is't even prudence, to bore thyself and bore thy students?
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Posted: 4th Jul 2010 20:38 Edited at: 4th Jul 2010 20:38
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I thought it was the day we invented cars that run on air?

EDIT: Happy Fourth
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Quote: "To those of you that don't know, 4th of july is our independence day, where we celebrate the day that will smith flew up in an alien spacecraft, to install a computer virus in the mothership, thus saving earth from impending doom."


and he lit fireworks


Remember those old guys? They made epic renders, I think one of them was called DaVinci, and all they used was MS Paint. Sometimes it's just skill....
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Seems like a decent thing to celebrate.

I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Happy Independence Day to all!



God bless the USA!

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Ah, the day when... well basically, you beat us. So really, we should be mourning.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2010 00:45 Edited at: 5th Jul 2010 00:45
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Quote: "God bless the USA!"

You wouldn't be where you are now without the British.

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Zeus
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Never denied it, in fact if it weren't for your at first ridicule taxes and laws, we wouldn't be here.

I thought you guys were over that...

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Quote: "I thought you guys were over that..."

?

I just hate mindless patriotism is all. None of us really have any reason to be particularly proud of our countries at the moment. The levels of Global debt in the western world is just embarrassingly high, people value celebrity and theism more than science and the social climate is just getting worse and worse.

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Zeus
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It's fine, I didn't mean anything by it.

I do not have mindless patriotism, I love the US and the UK. lol.

Quote: "You wouldn't be where you are now without the British."

You wouldn't be where you are now if it weren't for us in WW2.

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Quote: "You wouldn't be where you are now if it weren't for us in WW2"


Apart from the fact that you were late into the game? And I think you will find that the Battle of Britain secured our footing in the war.
And its not as if you joined for any other reason than you were attacked by the Japanese forces.

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Zeus
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We didn't have to be in the war until Japan attacked us, what would be the point in joining in when we weren't even affected until Pearl Harbor?

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Quote: "We didn't have to be in the war until Japan attacked us, what would be the point in joining in when we weren't even affected until Pearl Harbor?"


So why make out as if your involvement in the war was some form of gallant selfless act?

I'm sorry, but this sort of thing frustrates me. Its some sort of automatic response. "We saved you in the war", "We kicked your ass on July the 4th".

And I've never understood the whole "God bless America" thing. Its obviously the norm over in the states, but its never something you hear anywhere else. It just seems like an automatic thing to say.

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Quote: "And I've never understood the whole "God bless America" thing. Its obviously the norm over in the states, but its never something you hear anywhere else. It just seems like an automatic thing to say."


Same, I can't stand it personally. But happy 4th of July.
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Quote: "So why make out as if your involvement in the war was some form of gallant selfless act?"


We saved France's ass, and rebuilt half of your continent! It frustrates me how people think we are so unhelpful when all we do is help people.

Quote: "And I've never understood the whole "God bless America" thing. Its obviously the norm over in the states, but its never something you hear anywhere else. It just seems like an automatic thing to say."


It came from this song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RINqibpWOzQ .

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Quote: "and rebuilt half of your continent! It frustrates me how people think we are so unhelpful when all we do is help people. "


And you think that money was a gift? Do you realise we had to pay that money back.. with interest?! How very kind of you.

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Actually,

Quote: "During that period some US $13 billion in economic and technical assistance were given to help the recovery of the European countries that had joined in the Organization for European Economic Co-operation. This $13 billion was in the context of a U.S. GDP of $258 billion in 1948, and was on top of $12 billion in American aid to Europe between the end of the war and the start of the Plan."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

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Psst, neither of you did anything, you're too young to have been involved in the second world war...although I know Zeus dates back to Ancient Greece, but that's beside the point.

But, bear in mind the victory in the second world war wasn't a victory you can thank a single nation for - I don't like the, "we saved your a** attitude", because America had their own reasons for joining, but to be fair, we wouldn't have won it without them, but hey, if so many countries didn't do their part, Nazi Germany would have been an even uglier force, hence we have more than one nation thank for it.

However, I don't think it's really an issue we can bring up with national identity, I mean, just because we live in the country and have a national identity, doesn't mean we actually 'did' anything, it was our grandparents and great grandparents.

To illustrate the point, Mitchell and Webb have just the sketch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN1WN0YMWZU



Anyway, happy rub-it-in-England's face day! We will claim America back one day, you'll see!

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Whats all of this British and World war two stuff people are talking about? Thats nothing even close to what 4th of July is about.


Quote: "To those of you that don't know, 4th of july is our independence day, where we celebrate the day that will smith flew up in an alien spacecraft, to install a computer virus in the mothership, thus saving earth from impending doom.

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Quote: "We will claim America back one day, you'll see!"

You wernt meant to tell them!!!!
yet...

*Does an evil laugh*

And USA if i remember right did support england with rations even before they entered the war...

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Quote: "We saved France's ass, and rebuilt half of your continent! It frustrates me how people think we are so unhelpful when all we do is help people. "


Sorry mate, you're getting confused with these guys: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw

Loving a country because your mother had the blind luck to birth you there doesn't make sense to me. If you were born with the identical personality and circumstances in life here, would you love the USA?

Also, are you Christian? If not, "God bless..." is a little weak, isn't it?

I don't see how people can love an abstract area of dirt marked off and bounded by those long dead...

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=171328&b=2&p=0#m2034524
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Posted: 5th Jul 2010 03:00 Edited at: 5th Jul 2010 03:12
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Quote: "Whats all of this British and World war two stuff people are talking about? Thats nothing even close to what 4th of July is about."


Yes it is just SOOOOOOO awful to be thankful for living a country you love. We are such terrible people for being patriotic.

I've officially lost hope in this world now that I've seen someone actually have the nerve to say "Happy 4th of July" is mindless patriotism.

If you don't like "mindless" patriotism then go the hell away. This is our national holiday that we're proud of.

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Quote: "I've officially lost hope in this world now that I've seen someone actually have the nerve to say "Happy 4th of July" is mindless patriotism."


When did I say it was?
If you weren't so quick to get up in my face because you thought I was attacking your country, you would have realised I was picking him up on "God Bless America".

Way to miss the point entirely.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2010 03:21 Edited at: 5th Jul 2010 03:23
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Lol well it happens. But...

Saying that is a bad thing? The 4th of July is celebrating (believe it or not) America's Independence...
There is literally no mindless patriotism in saying "God Bless the USA" on 4th of July.... the day where we celebrate the USA.

Now if it was, say January 8th, and someone randomly said "God Bless the USA..." Yes that would be mindless patriotism.

This, however, is not.

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oh lol

i am not getting involved into this madness out of space unnecessary just plainly annoying WW2 which country is the best debate

happy july the 4th


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Since when is the USA an independent country? I must have missed the memo...

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Quote: "Saying that is a bad thing? The 4th of July is celebrating (believe it or not) America's Independence...
There is literally no mindless patriotism in saying "God Bless the USA" on 4th of July.... the day where we celebrate the USA."


I can understand saying it today has more meaning, but my comment was more directly aimed at its general use.
This is not due to some deep grudge that I have over the American Independence.
you will find that the 4th of July passes over Britain without even a murmur. The colonies and the outstretch of the British empire is something that isn't taught in our education system, I can perfectly understand the significance to America as it is the start of your country.

Let it not be confused that I was attacking Zeus' right to celebrate the 4th of July, I was merely picking up on the fact that the "God Bless America" phrase is something we British don't seem to understand, considering how much every part of the world has contributed to the foundations of the USA.

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Happy fourth of July, i know its late but congratulations comrades!
Just watched the movie with Tom cruise "Born on the fourth of July"
It was enlightening.


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Quote: "considering how much every part of the world has contributed to the foundations of the USA."


They have our language, for a start.

I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Quote: "I can understand saying it today has more meaning, but my comment was more directly aimed at its general use.
This is not due to some deep grudge that I have over the American Independence.
you will find that the 4th of July passes over Britain without even a murmur. The colonies and the outstretch of the British empire is something that isn't taught in our education system, I can perfectly understand the significance to America as it is the start of your country."

And I agree with that. But it IS the 4th of July lol. So I don't understand why you would make that comment this time and not save it for when it actually is mindless patriotism.

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Quote: "but to be fair, we wouldn't have won it without them"


I know my history is not great, but as far as I know we would have won it. It would have just taken longer and crippled our country even more.

But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter, instead of thinking about who is 'teh bestsorz' why don't we think about all those people who lost their lives in yet another pointless war...

Your signature has been [mod edited] :-p
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Happy 4th of July and God Bless our troops

Quote: " "God Bless America" phrase is something we British don't seem to understand"


Quote: ""God Bless America" takes the form of a prayer for God's blessing and peace for the nation "


Seems appropriate to me on the day we celebrate our nation, unless...I'm missing something?

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The US and UK have both been very important in the life of each other. We owe each other nothing, yet we usually stand for each other regardless.

It is silly to argue about WW2. The US WAS late to the war, but we would have done no good earlier than than we arrived. Our army was a joke and the only thing that we would have provided was more targets. It was our removal from the war that helped us grow strong. If Germany would have steamrolled the UK, the US would have had no chance. We were too weak early. The fight that the UK gave Germany allowed the US to strenghten enough that we DID make a difference. If we did not get involved it is likely that the UK would have eventually been defeated. We were both very important to each other in that war and probably could not have survived without each other.

American patriotism may seem blind, but I think you just misunderstand it. It isn't about the "dirt" or "boundry" lines. It isn't like some silly allegiance to some football team because you happen to be born in the area that a team plays. It is about what our country is SUPPOSED to stand for.

Quote: " I was merely picking up on the fact that the "God Bless America" phrase is something we British don't seem to understand, considering how much every part of the world has contributed to the foundations of the USA."



Saying God bless America means nothing if you don't believe in God. I do, and what it means to me is that I am simply asking/praying for God to pour his blessings upon the country that I live in. That also means that I am asking for God to help guide my country's leaders to do good and to be wise. That isn't a bad thing. You are right. America would be nothing if it wasn't for all of the great parts that she received from other nations. Asking for a blessing to your own country isn't asking for harm to others. It is mostly asking for help and guidance. We NEED all that we can get of both of those things these days.


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I know this may be a bit offtopic, but I think it still relates. Do you guys in the UK have a "Pledge of Allegiance", or something similar? (I don't want to debate whether it's right or not, etc, just curious)
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Happy 4th!

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I didn't really read through the thread completely, but happy 4th


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Quote: "Do you guys in the UK have a "Pledge of Allegiance", or something similar? "


What's that?

-=EDIT=-

Wait, Wiki'd it. No we don't, but teachers liked to make us sing bible hymns in middle and first school assemblies now and then if that counts..

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=171328&b=2&p=0#m2034524
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Quote: "I was merely picking up on the fact that the "God Bless America" phrase is something we British don't seem to understand, considering how much every part of the world has contributed to the foundations of the USA."


It is pretty pointless for non-Christians to use that phrase...and even for Christians. Who are we to assume that God favors our nation over other nations? Anyway, enough religious talk.

However, I'm not sure why you started this whole debate. This thread is simply about celebrating the holiday.

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I thought political discussions where not allowed, so why is this thread allowed to go on? It's gone way off topic and this is a UK based forum, who cares about an American "special" day here, besides these "patriotic" yanks?

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Quote: "besides these "patriotic" yanks?"


Eh, I'm not much of a patriot, but I love me some celebration. Seems like people need a reason to hang out with decent sized groups of family/friends. Not me, I'll take any chance I get

4th of July=Combination of hanging out with a bunch of family/friends, and explosives. I like that combination. Kayaking, BBQ, chilling, fireworks. Good day imo

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Quote: "4th of July=Combination of hanging out with a bunch of family/friends, and explosives. I like that combination. Kayaking, BBQ, chilling, fireworks. Good day imo"


Now that I can understand.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=171328&b=2&p=0#m2034524
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Gz usa. What you want me to post a picture of a flag or something?

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I locked this and not because I feel it doesn't meet the AUP.

I think this is just like the Happy Easter/Christmas etc. posts that get made here. Not everyone who visits is a Christian but people like to wish people with similar faiths etc. good on these special days.

I did lock this thread because of this post:

Quote: "I thought political discussions where not allowed, so why is this thread allowed to go on? It's gone way off topic and this is a UK based forum, who cares about an American "special" day here, besides these "patriotic" yanks?"


In my opinion this is outrageous flaming at its best, designed to nothing but inspire reaction from others. You find yourself noob slapped for 5 days. Doesn't matter if this is UK/US/Aus/Chinese based forum, we are a multicultural forum made up of people from different countries/belief systems, and everyone is allowed their own opinion so long as it meets AUP.

Your signature has been [mod edited] :-p
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Happy 4th of July....from a U.S. Army Veteran.

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Happy belated Canada day. God bless Canada.

[href]None of us really have any reason to be particularly proud of our countries at the moment.[/href]

Speak for yourself I know this is locked, but I was gone so I have an excuse. I am immensely proud of Canada at the moment, and our economic stability is leading the way for global recovery. We are the envy of the world.


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Politics meh...

I love Canada, because my grandfather was Canadian, and the best sitcom ever was made there, Trailer Park Boys.

If I could emigrate anywhere, that's where I'd go.

What was this thread about again?


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