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Nilloc
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Which one do you guys perfer more?

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Battlefield bad company 2

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I've only played both for a short period of time about 2 hours at a friends house. I liked Fallout 3 alot more but then again i only played a little.
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Fallout 3 was a more refined game but they're both completely different genres. If I'm in the mood for a fantasy game where I can hurl fireballs I play Oblivion; if I'm in the mood for some post-apocalyptic survival with really big guns, then I'm going to play Fallout 3.

I keep both installed and play both from time to time.

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just finished playing fallout 3 a few minutes ago shot off some guys heads and blew one to bits

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Fallout 3. My mom is actually playing it right now (she's 63). The day after she started playing it she said to me "I really love all the violence." Oblivion used to be her favorite.

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hmm thats normal 63 year old woman playing super bloody vilont games!

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You've used a strange word to me... what is this "normal" you speak of?

She and my Dad (71) both play games on the computer and both still have all their wits about them because of the computer.

My mom loves RPGs... the last game she played was Witcher. Right now when she's not killing supermutants my mom plays games on her Facebook page.

My Dad downloads new planes for Microsoft Flight Simulator X daily and manipulates the panels that come with them (adds/moves gauges and new effects to the planes). He changes them to be exactly the way they are in real life (he used to be a pilot). He doesn't use a panel editor either he does it manually with notepad.

"Normal" for my family has always been "weird" to everybody else... and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Or are you jealous that my mom is way cooler than yours?

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my mom dosnt even like me playing fallout 3 your mom is cool!

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Yeah, sounds like some pretty cool parents! - my mom still completes Bubble Bobble DAILY!, on her DS which is basically her life. My dad prefers Uncharted2 and Tomb Raider - I think it was Lara Croft who got him into games.

For me, I couldn't pick between them, it's much more about what genre you want to play in. Oblivion is much better as a sandbox style game, there's so much to do, guild's to join, and it is fun to explore the dungeons etc, beside the countless missions. It's easy to loose yourself in Oblivion, one of the few games I'd have to force myself to stop playing.
Fallout3 is more technical, less stealthy. There's still plenty of exploring to do, but it's actually a little bit annoying, there's far less distinction in the environment, so every wrecked house looks the same, every abandoned factory looks the same. It does have some funny and interesting sub-plots and locations.
I think both games are worth owning, it just depends if you like sci-fi or medieval, they cater to their audience.


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They are both state of the art games, Altho i played a lot more oblivion than fallout3 (just didnt have time to play F3) i like fallout3 more because the world is more fun to explore (less generic like oblivion but the unique landscapes of OB mod makes it less generic) the way they did charecters is much better each person is unique and i just like the whole posapocalyptic theme. but i dont perfer one over the other, i would happily play OB when i am in the mood or f3 they are both great games

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My parents are like 13-year olds when it comes to video games...All my dad plays is COD and my mom hates the idea of them.

It can be so hard sometimes...

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Quote: ""Normal" for my family has always been "weird" to everybody else... and I wouldn't have it any other way"

Just to say, what is normal? There is no such thing as normal. Who is normal? And if there is only one normal, then the rest of us are weird. There is no normal. Only like... personal normal. What you think is normal.

But I'd say... Fallout 3. Or even better: Half-Life 2. With episodes. Even beter! Orange Box.

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Fallout 3 is my opinion, but their very similar, and the slight differences ended up making Fallout 3 a bit better for me. But that's just me.

And Shadow's right. My mom will let us get any M game she hasn't heard of. Halo is one tenth as bad as Fallout 3 in terms of how inappropriate it is, but she still won't let us get Halo because she's heard of it.


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Fallout 3 no question.

Don't forget all the expansion packs such as Point Lookout which are great games in their own right.

The hellgates in Oblivion ruined it for me. Didn't enjoy them at all.

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@Nomad Soul: Yeah the Oblivion Gates were a nightmare, especially when you are out collecting plants, or crossing it's path to your quests destination, also how some characters can be killed by the demons, but it did half add to the realism, as they didn't just pop up when you were on a storyline quest.

I like both, but as I played both alot so much so I wouldn't be suprised if the discs melted in my 360, I know what is going to happen and both have got pretty boring.


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these games are completly different and considering the tech differences graphic and game overall this isnt a fair.. ehm how to say, comparement? xD anyhow if i had to choose it is fallout 3 just since i love post apocalyptic games, however if there would be an TES:V i would be all over it in seconds. I do love the fact that Oblivion is acually a more open world with more side quests than Fallout 3, however i like that oblivion is more an RPG aswell, i mean Oblivion is, purely, an RPG, top to bottom. Fallout 3 feels like an FPS with unnecessary RPG elements, it doesnt feel RPG to me, just because you can kill everyone, gain levels and gain skills it doesnt mean it has to be an pure RPG, no, if you are to make an RPG attleast make the character you play a bit more interesting, make the storyline around you more interesting, make everything RPGish, Fallout 3 didnt have this "rpg atmosphere" like Oblivion had. In fallout 3 i felt like i was more or less like a merc on a special mission to do bla bla, I didnt feel special although i was special. In oblivion you feel special, everyone looks up to you in the end, some people might aswell hate you, Oblivion is an ultimate RPG experience while Fallout 3 is more like a... shooter with some RPG inputs.

Now i better start complaining, Fallout 3 is an absolutly lovely game and i simply love it, for what it is, not for the "Rpg" feelings, which simply imo doesnt exist, no i love it because of the world, i love it for the VATS (right?) system, i love it because you can kill EVERYONE (except main characters), i love it for the gore, i love it for the creatures, i love it because of that mission in a vault when you go back in a black and white world(fav mission in all the game).

How much i even love Oblivion it cant compare to Fallout 3 because fallout 3 has so much more technology behind it so oblivion feels like crap.

Conversations are still crap thou =P


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Fallout 3 felt less stale as time went on, as opposed to Oblivion, which eventually just got annoying. That said, I love the setting of Oblivion and am a major Elder Scrolls fan, so they even out for me and are about equal.

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Morrowind.

Seriously, With mods to make the graphics and combat better (i.e. more like Oblivion) Morrowind is the best of the three (Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3).

Fallout 3 is a more "polished" game overall than Oblivion, and it gets many of the little things right that Oblivion got wrong. For example: the dialogue has a lot more "character" to it. Instead of clicking the "Rumors" button in a conversation, you click on the "Hey, have you heard the latest rumors?" button.

But despite those kinds of improvements, I still think Oblivion is the better of the two. A lot of it isn't really about Fallout 3 in particular, it's the genre. As has been said before, Fallout 3 is a FPS/RPG, not a true RPG. The shooting gameplay in Fallout 3 just isn't as fun as the swordfighting gameplay in Oblivion.

If we could have an Elder Scrolls game (i.e. Oblivion gameplay and fantasy setting) with the superior writing and overall "polish" of Fallout 3, it would probably be my favorite game ever. Morrowind with mods is currently the closest to that goal, but I do count myself among those waiting and hoping for TES 5.

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Oblivion, I dind't like the fallout 3 at all Ive tried to push myself into liking it, since its bethseda and all. But no, Oblivion is like being high on something, like love. When you feel the music turning on and you aproach those fields with eye sight on those snowy mountains around bruma, it feels that you are high on love.

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one more thing i dont like overall with bethesda games is the worlds being so empty

like oblivion, the forests are just booring without animals and such, i mean you sometimes meet a SINGLE WOLF, shouldn't it be more like, a WOLF PACK? and you might encounter like 3 deers, approx... it just feels empty

especially considering fallout 3, which is a APOCALYPTIC LAND feels like it is having more living creatures than tamriel..

weird...


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If you want the best open world game out right now get Red Dead Redemption.

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The best open-world FPS has to be Farcry2 - the way you scoot about the country is just great. I really got into FC2, felt like you had to earn the better guns, and so many possibilities when doing missions etc.

I'm gonna play Oblivion some more though, cause yesterday I ordered a pair of VR920's , so I'll be hacking and slashing, lawnmower man style next week sometime. Then Blivvy will be my ultimate sandbox game, no idea if Fallout3 supports VR920.


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Quote: "like oblivion, the forests are just booring without animals and such, i mean you sometimes meet a SINGLE WOLF, shouldn't it be more like, a WOLF PACK? and you might encounter like 3 deers, approx... it just feels empty
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Bare in mind that Oblivion came out in 2006, so, the worlds are likely empty due to their old engine having no power. This may be the reason for Fallout 3 aswell, considering the fact that the engine was redone big time to fit into the next gen surroundings, so the engine would be more powerful hence more creatures.

Quote: "The best open-world FPS has to be Far-cry2 - the way you scoot about the country is just great. I really got into FC2, felt like you had to earn the better guns, and so many possibilities when doing missions etc.
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I liked it, but I thought that the game was a bit to slow for my liking. But I have to agree, the way you had to earn the better guns was a great feature. One thing I didn't like about it though was the fact that it had nothing to do with the original Far-cry, and that was the main reason why I bought it. I knew from the beginning that there was no mutants but I was hoping there will be at least some tie in.


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Quote: "The best open-world FPS has to be Farcry2 - the way you scoot about the country is just great. I really got into FC2, felt like you had to earn the better guns, and so many possibilities when doing missions etc.
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far cry 2 was kind of booring in the end since it was like 3-5 different mission which you had to do like 100 times, and i really dont like that. The game mechanichs was great same with graphics and the multiplayer was awesome^^

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Quote: "Bare in mind that Oblivion came out in 2006, so, the worlds are likely empty due to their old engine having no power. This may be the reason for Fallout 3 aswell, considering the fact that the engine was redone big time to fit into the next gen surroundings, so the engine would be more powerful hence more creatures."


how come moders have done that by just altering the code a little..?


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I must say that Oblivion is better than Fallout 3, it might be that I prefer the gameplay from the old Fallout games. Not saying it's a bad game, it's a bad Fallout.

And about open world RPGs, I'd say the Gothic series, why? Because unlike Oblivion, they haven't randomly lowered and raised the landscape, and there's stuff going on pretty much anywhere in the game world, except the desert.

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Quote: "And about open world RPGs, I'd say the Gothic series, why? Because unlike Oblivion, they haven't randomly lowered and raised the landscape, and there's stuff going on pretty much anywhere in the game world, except the desert.
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i hope you didnt include the third gothic? the only gothic ive played, and i gave up quickly, the fighting is worthless, the levling system isnt much better than the fighting system either, and the story wasnt really convincing either


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Quote: "how come moders have done that by just altering the code a little..?"

And a lot of modders have computers that are up to date from 2010 not 2006, so take into account as well. Also I doubt it was just a small alteration with the code. I don't get it though, I just played Oblivion a minute ago, and I saw a fair amount of wild-life, from deer to trolls, also taking into account the time it was released it is an impressing amount of creatures.


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Quote: "And about open world RPGs, I'd say the Gothic series, why? Because unlike Oblivion, they haven't randomly lowered and raised the landscape, and there's stuff going on pretty much anywhere in the game world, except the desert."


Meant to say the desert in Gothic 3 (Since there are no deserts in the previous games)

Quote: "i hope you didnt include the third gothic? the only gothic ive played, and i gave up quickly, the fighting is worthless, the levling system isnt much better than the fighting system either, and the story wasnt really convincing either"


I have to agree there, but the game still have an open world. If you're about to play Gothic, I recommend that you check out the second one as it's the best in the series in my opinion.

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Gothic 3 is the only game of that series I've played, and I have to say it was no where near as bad as everyone seems to think it was. I actually liked the combat, despite it's numerous flaws. The leveling system isn't the best, but it's certainly not bad.

I really loved it in Gothic 3 whenever you freed a city from the orcs. It was awesome seeming the orcs running away in fear after all of their tough "Klingon" mumbo jumbo.

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Quote: "I'm gonna play Oblivion some more though, cause yesterday I ordered a pair of VR920's "


Would be interested on your thoughts when you play test them! I've been looking for a "cheap" alternative to buying a new TV to test some 3D stuff out.

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Yeah, I'll see if I can do a little review of them, for games, but also for using with DBPro.

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...my DVD drive just bit the dust, so I can't play either...

Only thing left to do is (sees Van B's sig)...I'm going to make some bacon and eggs.


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Quote: "Bare in mind that Oblivion came out in 2006, so, the worlds are likely empty due to their old engine having no power. This may be the reason for Fallout 3 aswell, considering the fact that the engine was redone big time to fit into the next gen surroundings, so the engine would be more powerful hence more creatures."


The Oblivion engine was more then capable to load 10 enemies at the same time, belive me I have tried.

In my mind they dind't need alot of altering into the source to make Fallout 3, AND IT SUCKS.

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I think Oblivion looks a little dated now, but mostly due to it's nature - when you look over the terrain in Oblivion you can spot repeating, LOD issues etc - but with Fallout3 the terrain appears more organic. Sounds weird, but by that I mean the ground doesn't repeat, has much more detail, so looks less dated. When inside a building/dungeon/whatever the engines seem fairly equal, it's when you get outside that you notice flaws I think.

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Fallout hands down!
I have Oblivion too. I'm quite open-minded, even though I don't particularly go for the fantasy genre, I learned all the weird crap about spells and stuff from the lizard and cat people but I stopped playing and forgot it all. Then I bought Fallout and rejoiced! This was the game I wanted, like Oblivion but without all the fantasy crap. I'm a big fan of the post-apocalypse theme too, ever since watching Mad Max and Escape From New York.

I don't like how all fantasy games are based on a Tolkien-esque world. What happened to the ancient myths and legends? I'd like to play a straight medieval game without fantasy elements, it's almost like people have forgotten that time really existed or maybe they think there really were orcs and trolls?

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@OBese87: Yeah. Something along the lines of... World Of Age of Empires, perhaps? : P

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Quote: "I don't like how all fantasy games are based on a Tolkien-esque world"



OOOOKAY, seems i missed something around here? last time i checked orcs, and other fantasy creatures 'existed' before tolkien.... or am i wrong? that is such a "I hate the genre, but nothing to blame the reason i hate it for, so i blame ...." line.

seriously>.>


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Maybe, but Tolkien defined it.

When I say "Dwarves" that automatically means short strong guys who work all day and use axes as a weapon.

"Dragon" automatically means 4-legged scaled beast that breathes fire.

"orcs" are big huge dumb green guys, etc. etc. He kind of defined it, and now everyone feels the need to follow that pattern.

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Quik: It's quite different actually, the creatures did "exist" in mythology from various areas of the world, but Tolkien was the first one (I believe) to use those creatures in a different approach: fantasy storytelling.

The whole sword and sorcery theme is very, very old but then again, Tolkien did something new with it and thus has become kind of an icon and standard in the fantasy genre in general.

This is what I believe anyway, I don't have times to check sources right now so correct me if I'm totally wrong.

EDIT: Shadowtroid is a faster typer than I am..

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Quote: ""orcs" are big huge dumb green guys"


And theyre green in say lotr?

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"Dragon" automatically means 4-legged scaled beast that breathes fire."


yeah i thought of that before i even knew about tolkien, since they look like that in baby books aswell

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When I say "Dwarves" that automatically means short strong guys who work all day and use axes as a weapon."


ay, like in every other movie, book and rpg game? including board rpg games in where you roll a dice? which have been around for... very very long?


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Orcs and Elves etc would have originated in literature long before Tolkien, fables, fairy tales etc.

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I think elves originate from norse mythology. Not sure about orcs.

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I wasn't suggesting Tolkien invented these characters but only the characters in his books seem to be used; where is the griffin, phoenix, cyclops, hydra, minotaur, etc. No one uses the old myths and legends of which there are thousands, they just stick to the dwarves and elves that Tolkien wrote about.

My knowledge might not be great but I think originally elves were strange little green people who lived in the forests and would steal children if they wandered in. Now they are tall archers who usually have pink skin because of Tolkien. It's like LotR has become the bible of fantasy literature.

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Elves are tall, live in the woods, are skilled with bows and talk with animals. Dwarves are short, stout creatures that are much stronger than they appear. Orcs are vile, bow-legged twisted creatures that hate everything - a bit like some kids I knew in high school...

And trolls are incredibly dumb and strong.

Tolkien may not have invented these things, but he created the stereotypes of them used today. I genuinely can't think of a fable involving orcs or trolls, (or anything other than witches right now, but there probably are some)...

It's like Boeing didn't invent the aeroplane, but the 747 became so iconic and successful it's used as the blueprint for airliners in most games and films...

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=171328&b=2&p=0#m2034524
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Quote: "Tolkien may not have invented these things, but he created the stereotypes of them used today."


That's what I was saying.

He didn't invent them, but he defined them.

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then still this doesnt make any sense

Quote: "I don't like how all fantasy games are based on a Tolkien-esque world"


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Yes, yes it is - what else is there?. The problem is that greek mythology tends to mean semi-naked beasts with all sorts of impractical appendages (extra legs, heads, arms) in a warm climate. Now when they write a fantasy story based in the woods, or anywhere other than a sunny climate, they have to use the most believable creatures. Most of these stories involve forests and stuff, you can't have impractical creatures in a forest, they'd only embarass themselves...
Hydra stuck up a tree
Cyclops got poked in the eye by a branch (no depth perception)
Phoenix torched the whole place
Hydra got raped by 5 different species

It's no wonder they use orcs and elves, the forest is no place to be rediculous. Imagine if everyone just invented their own cretures though, half the book would be explaining what these things are - a lot of The Hobbit goes into detail explaining them, so it might be considered the fantasy genre bible. Myself, I wouldn't want it any other way.

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Quote: "Cyclops got poked in the eye by a branch "

lol, can imagine that.

*cyclops walks towards the hero, looking very powerful and scary*
Hero: Oh my god, I'm screwed!
*cyclops pokes it's eye on a tree branch*
Cyclops: Ow! God, that hurt! Don't attack me! Don't attack me! That would be unfair! I mean... jesus god! Ow! I think i'm gonna be blind!

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