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Libervurto
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Posted: 29th Jul 2010 20:44 Edited at: 29th Jul 2010 20:45
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Quote: "then still this doesnt make any sense

Quote: "I don't like how all fantasy games are based on a Tolkien-esque world""

Why doesn't that make senese? I didn't say he came up with the creatures just he put them in the same world.

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Yeah I suppose some of them are pretty impractical. The difference between fact and fiction is fiction has to be credible... yeah I watched Man of the Year last night


Anyway this thread is about Fallout vs Oblivion not the origins of fantasy characters.

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Quote: "I wasn't suggesting Tolkien invented these characters but only the characters in his books seem to be used; where is the griffin, phoenix, cyclops, hydra, minotaur, etc. No one uses the old myths and legends of which there are thousands, they just stick to the dwarves and elves that Tolkien wrote about."


I can see your point. I think the Might and Magic series used those, at least I know I fought a Griffin in Might and Magic VII and some cyclops in Might and Magic: Dark Messiah . Oblivion has minotaurs when your character is at a higher level or you're near where the Unicorn lives.

There are plenty of mythological creatures out there - I know the Final Fantasy series rips off just about every mythology out there - I was surprised to see a Humbaba in Final Fantasy XIII, it looked absolutely nothing like Humbaba, but at least they were going for a little more variety. Mind you, it was Gilgamesh that killed Humbaba, so as they've already used him, it makes sense.

In these Western RPGs, it is the Tolkein-esque thing they go for, yes, the mythology pre-dates his work, but game designers know how popular Tolkein's world is and can thus earn more of a profit knowing people respond well to what's familiar and what they know. I suppose the thing I didn't like about Dragon Age, for example, is that it's humans, dwarves, elves and mages in towers off to fight some great evil force from an evil realm with creatures that seem very much like orcs and Urukhai (sp?). Not in the least bit Tolkein-like? A fun game still, but horribly cliched.


I think I might make a plan for an Ovidian fantasy RPG, sure the Roman mythology was used in the Golden Sun series, but it'd be interesting to take Ovid's approach. I've been itching to do something again.

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Someone said "if you made up your own creatures you have to spend half the time explaining them", but you have to be confident in your own vision to do something original.

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Getting back to the OP's question:

Oblivion all the way. It has a large world I can poke my nose into every corn of. It allows me to do anything as mundane as picking flowers in the sunshine, to battling goul's in the depths of the earth. My skills count, while having a High HP and great armour doesn't hurt anyway. I can completely Taylor gameplay to my style. Be it long ranged, hit and runs. Or insanely powering in with heavy armour, battle axe and shield. It allows you to control when to block, rather then just dice rolling all the time.

It's a very well thought out, and designed game. The storyline was great as well! I can't wait until Elder Scrolls 5! they always put a lot of work into the series.
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I liked the picking plants and making potions in Oblivion, that was really cool and made it feel like a real world you could manipulate. I wish there was more scavving in Fallout and you could make stuff for your home out of the scrap you find.

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Quote: "Someone said "if you made up your own creatures you have to spend half the time explaining them", but you have to be confident in your own vision to do something original."


It's worth a shot - I don't think it'd need a great deal of explaining, no more than creatures in the God of War series need or Golden Sun and Final Fantasy. I might do something with a mix of mythologies and tie them into one...I've been meaning to plan something like that for a while.

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Quote: "I wish there was more scavving in Fallout and you could make stuff for your home out of the scrap you find.
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yeah same here, that'd be awesome


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I've installed Martigen's Monster mod on my Oblivion. Makes what would normally be an encounter involving a wolf aided by three goblins trying to kill me into an epic standoff with around 10 goblins and five wolves while I pick off the survivors from a distance...

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=171328&b=2&p=0#m2034524
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I think the whole reason that hobbyists/indi's write RPG's is so they can make so many creatures, same might well apply to writers too. Tolkien took some established myths and creatures, and created a world from them, a world that defined the word 'epic'. I've wanted to write an RPG for ages, just so I can populate it with all those mad ideas I've had for monsters and characters. I'd find it hard to loose interest in a project like that.

I feel sorry for people who can't create, who can only experience someone elses ideas - for me, making an RPG would be like the ultimate god game, your defining the rules, developing the inhabitants and surroundings - and if something sucks, you take it out. It's evolution on a tiny scale, but creation on a massive scale. You are god of your own world, it's what videogame fans dream off, and what most developers wish they were doing I imagine. Blizzard and Bethesda must be the most sought after companies to work for.

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On Fallout I've started to pick up worthless items to decorate my home with, I actually place the objects around my home. I even have a garden gnome, rake and basketball outside with a chessboard and ashtray on the garden table xD
I have stopped rushing off to complete quests and instead of armour I usually wear ordinary clothes. I think I'm settling down in a computer game!!

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Every genre has it's cliches. The fantasy genre has it's elves, dwarves, orcs, etc. The post-apocalyptic genre has it's wastelands, leather jackets, and Dogmeats. No genre is intrinsically better than any other, and everyone has their own opinions of which they like more. Personally, I prefer fantasy, and so Oblivion is more fun to me than Fallout 3.

Quote: "On Fallout I've started to pick up worthless items to decorate my home with, I actually place the objects around my home."


I've got an action figure of Abraham lincoln, an intact garden gnome, a superhero mask/helmet thing, a lump of my own brain, and a tin can. You can see how I got the tin can in #3 of my Fallout 3 comic: Herakles In Megaton. (warning, NOT family friendly)

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/imageshare/images/1273996-1279428102.jpg

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My lump of brain fell behind the bobblehead stand and I can't get it out. Oblivion definitely had better stuff to decorate your house, mothers head for instance, and all those glowy crystals.

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yeah well, Fallout 3 is apocalyptic meaning everything's blown up, i believe it should be hard to find stuff to decorate a house with? XD


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Both Oblivion and Fallout were made with the same construction set (pretty much)
Oblivion is starting to get old but is still and enjoyable game, The combat systems in both games are almost identical (except for V.A.T.S)
as enemies will stand in the open while your shooting at them just as They do in oblivion, They both have the same dialogue mode, terrain system, inventory sytem and almost every other aspect of the game are identical. So the people who say fallout 3 is Oblivion with guns are probably right,
so i'm gonna go with
Oblivion, although the whole elf thing kinda annoys me.

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Posted: 22nd Sep 2010 07:03 Edited at: 22nd Sep 2010 07:06
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I just finished Fallout 3! What a fantastic game!
I have a question but I will put it in a spoiler box in case anyone else is actually later than me!!

Spoiler Alert!


I will definitely play through this game again sometime. I might be really evil and see where that leads me. I could never trade in this game, I want my future children to play it lol.

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they are all great games in my opinion. I havent beat any of them 100% tho. Oblivion has some really great storylines for the guilds. Never beat fallout 3 tho my PC crashed before i beat it. I got too much into the story and felt like i was missing out on a lot in the world of fallout. I recently started playing oblivion again,I am doing sidequests now i try to complete any side quest i come across. I havent even started the main quest yet. but realy id play all of them morrowind, oblivion fallout. really loved morrowind for its unique badass world and now the graphics are even getting better. me and my friends pooled money together to preorder a copy of OB and when we got it we were 16 year olds acting like 10 yearold girls at some... idk hanna montana concert or something jumping screaming stuff like that. We were that happy to get a copy of oblivion.

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Obese, if you get the expansion packs, you can extend the game, like survive the purifier and even level up more. I enjoyed all the expansions and it's well worth getting them all. Along with increasing the level-up cap, you can also select more perks, one of which is Dog Meats puppies - so if he dies, you can go get one of his 'puppies' from outside vault 101. I bought Fallout3 for the 360, lost the disk, then bought it with all the expansion packs - much cheaper than buying them individually.

Fawkes is the best companion character tho, tough as nails, can carry as much as most large vans, and an everlasting gatling laser - it's the one character you can just leave to get on with it - Charon is too wimpy for my liking.

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I'd go for Oblivion or maybe Morrowind, Fallout 3 simply isnt that interesting in my opinion.

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Between Oblivion and Fallout 3, personally, Fallout 3 is the only one that cut it. I've played it for a LOT of hours, including the add-ons, and it somehow manages to never get old.

Or I'm just a sucker for leveling up...
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If playing Oblivion I recommend these mods:

Oblivion mod manager
Keychain
Spell Delete
Attribute Plus X (requires OBSE)

As well as these patches, since they fix over a thousand bugs.
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@Van B
I've heard other people trash talking Charon lol, but for me he was a badass, more than a few times I would have been dead without him. He could take out Protectrons from 50 yards with one shot. Did you give him stimpaks? I liked giving him stupid hats to wear
I met fawkes but we went straight to get the GECK and he left... well, unfortunately I'd given him all my precious cargo (stuff for making custom weapons and trading that I had no immediate use for) and I couldn't get it back off him after we parted company, so I had to kill him to get it back. That's the only major flaw in the game I came across.

Normally when people talk about things that happen in a game it's really boring, or if you play the same game you humour them because you know how it feels to want to share the experience. But with Fallout I genuinely like listening to people's stories. I guess that shows how unique it can be.

There's so much I didn't get to see, four or five known locations on the map I never got around to visiting and I'm sure there are lots more out there. But I like that; they weren't part of my story, rather my character's story, maybe they will be part of my next character's story. Yes I've already started a new game It's cool how the Dad changes appearance to look like you, but still doesn't look exactly the same as you. I'm going to be evil this time muahahahaha!

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I remember when I was struggling to get a good enough computer to run Oblivion, now its showing its age
Both were extremely enjoyable, I brought Oblivion the day it came out. (Elder Scrolls series fan) and played it till the end, finished it again about a week ago. Its still quite fun.
Fallout 3, I thought, was just something else. Its what got my fiance into gaming. I was quite simply amazed by it, and played it hours on end. I loved the post-apocalyptic ever-lasting struggle for survival.

Far Cry 2 was OK. Graphics were great, engine was great, the idea was great. Gameplay was FUN, but a tad repetitive. Loved the guns. But when it came down to it, it just wasn't FAR CRY! It would have suited better under a different name.


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i had the chance to get fawkes... i was too evil and i found an awesome glitch. i tried to kill fawkes... HARD, i found out though if you pickpocket him successfully and put a grenade or mine in his pocket and it will kill him no matter what the power of it is.
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Im not sure... ive logged more fallout 3 hours but oblivion has more history behind it, but i would concider them even.

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Weird, I completed Fallout 3 and all the expansions, and never ran into Dogmeat or any companions the entire time. I wasn't aware that you can play with a NPC


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you can, i ran into dogmeat in some junkyard i think, he died killing some super mutants though. you can also get some dude from megaton and fawkes the super mutant and some dude named charon, but ive never got him before.

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You have to go to a specific place to find Dogmeat. I had to look it up online.

And about Fawkes:

Spoiler:


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Charon is in the ghoul 'town', inside the history museum - you have to pay for his contract, then he'll do your bidding for as long as he survives (which was never very long in my game). Dogmeat is in the scrapyard. Apparantly you can get robots to follow you as well, but I've never managed that, the robots don't seem to like me.

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I'd love to get more involved with factions and settlements. Would be cool to go out with people on scavenging missions or join a band of raiders and loot a settlement, etc.
The only time I was with a group of people was the slaves heading to the Lincoln memorial, and then I found they got there a lot safer if I just went there myself and waited for them, which is kind of retarded and much easier.

I am finding it difficult to be evil, it's a fun idea but I didn't think about actually having to do evil things. I already blew up Megaton, I was hoping Mr. Burke would have other jobs for me, does he ever give you another job?
I killed most of Tenpenny Tower security when they caught me stealing, the upper levels were undisturbed and I can safely go there again but I killed Gustavo; I still have the "kill Roy Phillips" quest though.

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You should try and find the ghoul who wants to take over Tenpenny, because you get an awesome ghoul mask which stops them from attacking you, you also get a room there.

I can never go evil in a game, even if I try and force myself, I end up neutral or good - just seems to be a lot of work to be evil in some games - like Oblivion especially, if your evil, then you'd basically spend half the game running from the law. I guess I'm happier when I can be evil and get away with it. For instance, in Oblivion there's a quest at the start of the mage guild stuff, where you have to swim into a flooded room and get a ring from a corpse. Anyway, for a laugh I ressurected the corpse - to live a life of endless treading water. It's fun to be devious, and Oblivion makes it pretty easy. I think it's a bit more controlled in Fallout3, but they both have this dark side, little things happen that you can't explain - NPC's mysteriously die, corpses lying about the place now and then, and the side missions are often pretty dark. I think I prefer that style to the way it's done in the Fable series - where alignment seems to be much more variable.

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Quote: "can get robots to follow you as well, but I've never managed that, the robots don't seem to like me."

You have to visit the RobCo Factory by Tenpenny Tower that is where you can find a Trader who can sell you a robot, but I think it is a random encounter so if your lucky.lol


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Quote: "You should try and find the ghoul who wants to take over Tenpenny, because you get an awesome ghoul mask which stops them from attacking you, you also get a room there."





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reloading saves are in my opinion cheating jeku :3 just becuz you lost some *all* items^^


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Normally I would never reload either... but come on. A locked door?! I was carrying a missile launcher.. in real life I would have just blown the door off its hinges.


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Quote: "You have to visit the RobCo Factory by Tenpenny Tower that is where you can find a Trader who can sell you a robot, but I think it is a random encounter so if your lucky.lol"

He's been there every time I've gone to RobCo factory, he was there in my new game too.

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in my room before allowing the ghouls to come into
Tenpenny Tower. My room was locked after they
destroyed the building! I had to reload my save."

I'm not sure about when the ghouls come in but you can get to the apartment by going out onto Tenpenny's balcony and walking around the building until you get to another door. That door leads into your apartment, you don't even need the key. So in my first game where I disarmed the bomb I could still use the apartment.

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I think fallout 3 has more style, but I definitely think oblivion just has way more to the game.

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Blowing up Megaton is a bad idea, never seen any real good come of it - Megaton is too good a base to destroy, really quick to get to your house, a good trader, nuclear warhead, it's home!.

Looking forward to New Vegas, hopefully it'll take more than a weekend to play through - although it does look more and more like just another Fallout3 the more I see of it, it'll be better than most of the crud that's out there right now.

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fallout definantly.
However i can never seem to be bothered to repeat those games once i have completed them once.
I just dont find them fun after ive done the storyline once... which is lame.

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Quote: "Normally I would never reload either... but come on. A locked door?! I was carrying a missile launcher.. in real life I would have just blown the door off its hinges."


i too would have reloaded there^^ xD but normally i t ry not to hit the quickload/load buttons xD except if i die that is


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Quote: "However i can never seem to be bothered to repeat those games once i have completed them once.
I just dont find them fun after ive done the storyline once... which is lame."

Yeah, I am mainly trying to stay clear of the main storyline and explore places I didn't see the first time around. I decided I didn't like Tenpenny Tower so I let the ghouls in . So now my character is without a home which I quite like because I just wander the wastes looking for a decent place to set up camp; this is what's great about having beds all around the wastes, you can actually set up a home base there. I first moved into the spot under the bridge near the Citadel, but then I found the really cool spot next to Alexandria arms, it has a bed, workbench, gun cabinet, fridge and two safes that I'm not good enough to pick yet. Only problem is it doesn't have a roof which kind of disappointingly isn't a problem at all. I've heard that in new vegas you will have to worry about starvation and dehydration so maybe keeping warm will be part of it too. It would be awesome if you could set up a bed anywhere in the wastes and build your own little settlement, even attract NPCs to join you if you built it up. That's such a cool idea, imagine establishing your own towns that you could improve.

I haven't heard anything about Fallout Online for a while, is that still being developed?

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Quote: "Looking forward to New Vegas, hopefully it'll take more than a weekend to play through - although it does look more and more like just another Fallout3 the more I see of it, it'll be better than most of the crud that's out there right now."


Well I know there are casinos in New Vegas.. that's cool enough to buy the new game. I already have it preordered on Steam


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I'll probably just end up gambling the whole time like what I did with RDR. Now in New Vegas I hope we can actually play real poker. I want to experience the awe of losing 20,000 bottle caps with one bad had.

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Probably Oblivion. They're both with out a doubt 2 of my favorite games, and personally gameplay wise they are equal. But, Oblivion had many different environment settings (snowy, grassy, mountains, etc.) where Fallout was pretty much the wasteland the whole time. Also I absolutely love Oblivion's soundtrack.

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