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Monkey Mja
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 06:43 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2010 06:45
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Hey guys, have you ever downloaded a song on iTunes? Do you have Sony Vegas? Well, with the new treaty, you can be arrested for it now. Sound intresting? Watch the video that will explain it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yzR-1dbA_c

EDIT: Can a mod move this to Geek Culture?

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Nilloc
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 08:40
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dont bring political things up WWIV you might get slaped

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 10:09
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whats this about? it proboly wont affect me i live in russia and noone uses apple products here so

dont hate people who rip you off,cheat and get away with it, learn from them
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jasonhtml
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 10:26
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I'm not sure how much this guy could be exaggerating, but it does sound pretty bad. I'm really suspicious that the whole thing is kept secret, though

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PAGAN_old
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 12:31
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well i think this is a little exadurated since noone is actually gonna go searching your home for pirated software and who will bother to take time and copy your harddrive at the airport when everyone who goes trough there has laptops. Maybe they will if they have solid evidence to suspect you or you are on the terrorist watch list or something. Besides i think in US they will still need a warrant to search your home even if it is for pirated software. I am glad my country isnt in this treaty, noone cares about the law here anyways. thats why there are cops at every corner here lol

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lazerus
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 12:48
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hes only saying what hes heard. Even then hes beening very vauge as to what the laws acually entail.

Really cant be bothered with the whole bandwagon thing so ill leave here


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Van B
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 13:15
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I hate vloggers, although that guy, is not nearly as irritating as that sxephil, but it's the same style...

Weird pauses because they rant then pick the best sentence each time, because they are not talented enough to get more than one sentence right at a time.

Some crazy, shocking topic that everyone should rally round for - last week it would have been the iPhones antennae, week before that was probably Lindsey Lohan.

Teeth, plenty teeth, teeth on all the time, shiny white teeth, hand carved by the finest Dentist in the land - because showing anything other than perfect teeth will incite a flame war.

Yadayada iPhone, yadayada rape, yadayada Obama. Now squint your eyes and ask the people to spread the word, because he just won't sleep unless he gets a million views.


I hate them more than I hate anything on the internet, please leave that crud on YouTube.


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Shadowtroid
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 13:41
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@VanB

Words right out of my mouth.

This guy is a load of crap. Don't worry about it, you'll be fine.

My guess is that even if what he says IS true, then it will be kind of like the speed limit on the highway...It's a law, but is it really enforced?

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lazerus
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 15:29
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Cops on camera says yes shadowT.


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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 15:39
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Quote: " is not nearly as irritating as that sxephil,"


He's rubbish, but all my friends think he's awesome...

Your signature has been [mod edited] :-p
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Metal Devil123
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 15:54
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oooh! The goeverment's up to something! I am so scared! GOVERMENT CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO ME! HA HA HA! (jumps out from window.)

Yes, I also hate vloggers. Well, almost all of 'em. I only watch RayWilliamJohnson every now and then, but that's about it.

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Shadowtroid
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 16:04
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Quote: "Cops on camera says yes shadowT."


Huh. We'll I've never seen any of those. Maybe it's different in the UK. But in the US it's like don't ask don't tell...Cops generally don't care. (at least on the highway)

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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 16:57
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depends on what kind of cop is watching you. if he's good at his job then you will be caught, but if he lacks discipline he'll let you slide. i saw a guy whiz past me on the highway once like i was standing still, and a few minutes later i saw the same guy on the side of the road getting his ticket


Remember those old guys? They made epic renders, I think one of them was called DaVinci, and all they used was MS Paint. Sometimes it's just skill....
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Van B
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 17:13
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In the UK, we have speed cameras, so if you speed - you end up with a letter and a fine posted to you. Some places are getting rid of speed cameras though thank god.


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lazerus
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 18:46
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yep van, uk has the most cctv/speed cameras in the world lol. An worlds wildest police chases, narrowest escape shocking action blah blah are all based in america lol, and theres a new episode out weekly. Cops on camera is english mind you.


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isnt this old new? well well


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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 19:19 Edited at: 23rd Jul 2010 19:25
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Considering this is a URL to a vlogger, I'm not obliged to trust what he says, at least, if it's entirely accurate or that his opinion is a professional one. After all, one common trait is...'speculation'.

But it doesn't concern me that much, because isn't it technically illegal to burn CDs to your hard drive? Or it that a myth?

With the enforcement of the law, assuming this is accurate, then the chances are iTunes would be asked to desist their services and if they continue, then they'd be the ones to get into trouble. After all, your purchases were made whilst it was legal to so. Considering purchases can still be made on iTunes and Apple hasn't been sued kajillions of dollars, I think speculation might be made...

...however, for the sake of irony, I've not watched the video, so this is all speculation itself, but I make a fairly convincing case of it don't I?

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WWIV Studios
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Posted: 23rd Jul 2010 22:36
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Quote: "dont bring political things up WWIV you might get slaped"


Too Late. Ill try not to do it again. Sorry if i offended anyone.

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Monkey Mja
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Posted: 24th Jul 2010 05:50
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I thought that at first too Seppuku, but then I saw so many more videos on it, including quite a few appearantly having a message from Anon.

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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 24th Jul 2010 13:35 Edited at: 24th Jul 2010 13:42
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Probably not worth relying on even an array of videos, generally I only trust sources I know I can rely on, even if a mass of people claim the same things. In having debated with people over conspiracy theories, they can provide an large number of videos and websites to support their claims, but a lot of the time they have nothing all that reliable and a lot of it is speculation and even at times it has fabrication of information (I check this out by cross referencing sources).

Some sources don't even consider all varying factors - you're talking about law with this one - when studying law for a project of mine, I found that a new law may be introduced, but there can always be an anomaly, therefore a law isn't always enforceable because of other laws in effect. If, for example, somebody in parliament managed to pass a law saying, "nobody is allowed to proselytize their religion to others" then there'd be an anomaly because of the Religious Hatred Act 2006, which in its section entitled 'Freedom of Expression' says that you're allowed to proselytize your religious views. (Sorry I had to use religion as an example, but my project was on 'Freedom of Expression and Religion', so they're the only laws I know well enough to use as an example) I suppose it'd be up to the judge and jury if it were ever taken to court.

None of this is to imply that this is untrue, but my skeptical side is singing.

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Oh, okay, maybe highway is a bad example...

Okay, better example. You can technically get arrested for not turning in the census. But no one ever is.

And there are tons of people not turning in the census.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2010 15:04
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Maybe these would be better examples Shadowtroid?

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Shadowtroid
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It's also illegal in Kentucky to have ice cream in your back pocket.

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Posted: 24th Jul 2010 19:46 Edited at: 24th Jul 2010 20:02
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I don't know about ACTA, but a British equivalent, The Digital Economy Act, was pushed through in the wash up of the last day of the last parliament.
As the main beneficiary from the bill, it was dutifully ignored by the media. Some of the worse parts of the original bill were changed or removed before it got through parliament, but it's still a horrible piece of legislation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Economy_Act

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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 24th Jul 2010 20:56
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I asked Baroness Warsi a couple of questions about the Digital Economy Bill when she (and other politicians) visited our University for public question times, she didn't give a full response, so she had somebody send me (and my friend) an email regarding it. What it seems to be is that the original bill submitted to the house of commons was overlooked quite a bit but received a lot more scrutiny in the house of lords. So you won't receive permanent internet bans, you won't face disconnection without appeal, disconnection would be faced after multiple warnings, and they seem to agree that the measures in the bill ought to be have been improved, but the allocated time was too short for that to happen and they weren't prepared to put people jobs in the media industry at risk. There's more, but I'm not going into it and I'm not going to quote it (just because I don't feel at liberty to quote a person without their permission).

Personally, I don't buy some of their answers, after all, I think the media loss of jobs is perhaps an exaggeration and surely it should have been rejected, so that a resubmitted version can have the amendments needed? The house of lords have done this before - the original Religious Hatred Bill was terrible and infringed heavily on freedom of expression - hence many people got up and spoke very strongly against it, we now have the Religous Hatred Act 2006, the bill was originally pushed in 2005, so it's not as if it took too long to make the amendments needed?

However, if they realise that problems still exist with the Bill, it's possible we might see amendments made to the act in the future? I think that much is at least worth demanding.

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