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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Wiki leaks is it illeagel to view?

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The Master Dinasty
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Posted: 21st Aug 2010 16:26 Edited at: 21st Aug 2010 16:35
So I browesed through some videos and found that a wiki leak video of US troops firing from a helicopter on civilans whom they thought were enemy (taliban?) Idk, anyways they were civilans and my question is...

1#Is the site illeagel to view and or its contents through youtube or other materials found and shared across the internett?

2#What do you think about the site is it heroism or just plain illeagel?

3# What do you think about the video? Was it right or wrong to engage?

(Please tell me if this cross over the rules of this forum I don't want to get slapped again. As far as I can see its not crossing any rules.)

[EDIT] Attached link to the Youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

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Posted: 21st Aug 2010 17:09
If it's the video I think it is (not viewing, this is only a quick stop) I had this discussion on another forum. The verdict was:

It was wrong that it happened - death of innocents is always wrong, but from a spectator's point of view, it's actually very difficult and unfair to be able to judge their actions and their behaviour. Different kind of pressures exist on the battle field. Whether it was protocol, I don't know, I'm not in the military, perhaps somebody who has been in the military on this forum would be able to provide a better perspective.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2010 18:29
War isnt pretty, kind or forgiving.

It isnt right but cannot be condoned.

Basically you found out what 'freedom' costs, it would be natural to assume this isnt the first or last incidence of this kind, on both sides. Even the germans knew not to kill clearly marked medics, the taliban executed a group of british/american medics while they were treating one of there comrades along with several civillians and troops.

Illegal to report on? No. A single sided story is never fair, wikileaks is a neutral party reporting the worlds dirty little secrets. Meaning they challenge what they call 'collatertal' as mass murder.

Thats just my take on it anyway.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2010 18:35
"I'll face that cross with honor, [because] freedom don't come free..."
-Toby Keith "American Soldier"

That video was sad... but I agree totally with Lazerus. This is not illegal but some may find it wrong.

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Posted: 21st Aug 2010 18:50
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Posted: 21st Aug 2010 18:51
Sorry guys - only one way this thread would go.

But to answer Q1, not it's not illegal to view as far as I know. In fact, making it illegal would probably trigger the Streisand effect and get more people to watch it.

KeithC
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Posted: 21st Aug 2010 19:08
Judging from that video it looks like some reporters decided to embed themselves with what appears (to me) to be a few fighters looking to engage some Americans. I noticed the guy peeking around the corner with his RPG showing, in the latter part of the video. Picking up bodies and weapons after an encounter like that, is something that is done...so that "facts" can be altered later on; which is more than likely why they rushed to stop the vehicle. Not taking the kids to an American base for medical treatment was a mistake though; that should have happened.

It's a tough call really. We can all believe what we want to believe. Having been there myself in a military role, I can tell you that it's real easy to be the "arm-chair quarterback"; when you've never served a day in your life.

All war-time reporters must assume responsibility for what happens to them in such a fluid thing called War. Sometimes these things happen; and there should be investigations into it. But assumptions and "arm-chair quarterbacking" should be left behind, until facts are made clear. Especially in a grainy video, with no clear images of who is who.

I'm going to refrain from going into a drawn-out argument here though, and leave it at that.

-Keith

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