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Geek Culture / Xbox Live Price Raise

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SilverCrow
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Posted: 31st Aug 2010 20:16
Quote: "In the U.S., the annual subscription plan -- once $49.99, soon to be $59.99 -- will remain far and way the most economical. The monthly plan will see a $2 bump ($9.99/month, or $120/year), while the three-month plan will jump $5 ($24.99/month, or $100/year).

Why the sudden hike? To Xbox Live spokesman Major Nelson, someone has to pay for all the stuff they keep adding to the network, right?"


-quoted from : http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/microsoft-raising-xbox-live-membership-prices/1409254

Someone has to pay for it, so they make the customers pay it, so they make the customers pay for it . Seems like another m$ scam to me. What do you guys think about this?

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Posted: 31st Aug 2010 23:38
I think I'll just stick to my free Steam servers with loads more players and better graphics.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Posted: 31st Aug 2010 23:47 Edited at: 31st Aug 2010 23:53
I would use to have cared a year ago but now my xbox got RROD, and even if I could play it all I play is single player games. Although Gears of War 1 was amazing multiplayer... If only I could go back to playing that online, but it still wouldn't be worth $60 a year.

I think they should have different plans. For example just ditch the whole 1 month, 3 month, 1 year thing and have something more like... 1 Year Game Multiplayer $30, 1 Year Everything else $20, 1 Year everything $50. The reason for this is because the only thing I ever used to use xbox live for was demos (which are already free) and multiplayer. Although m-soft never changes/updates multiplayer so why should I have to pay for it? All they do is add new random features that I couldn't give two s**ts about. Now it would be logical to do payment the current way if the large percentage of people use xbox live for everything it offers. But, I'm sure that there are MANY people that only want to play games online. Just my 2 cents

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Posted: 31st Aug 2010 23:48
Yep down with XBOX 360 an over hyped, downgraded PC. Just another way of taking your money.

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Posted: 31st Aug 2010 23:58
Often there are one or two titles that you can only get on console (Timesplitters, Dead Rising, Brutal Legend etc) but PC is the way to go.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 03:23
To be honest payin an extra £6 or so a year doesn't bother me and I'm sure alot of people will feel the same I have had live fore 3 years now and yes I admit the £40 payout has seemed a bit much when I'm "under 18" and only had paper round money, oh well have a real job now but it has never stopped ke wanting to not play my xbox

Microsoft are simply raising their prices because they can. Admitedly people will be annoyed by this sudden raise but will they pay the subscription once their membership runs out... Yes

alsoif Microsoft do lose members over this they will more then make up for it from the extra few pound of the other people
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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 03:46
No, I won't. I was having doubts as to whether I should renew it in January but this just puts the final nail in the coffin.

There are few games for the 360 that I can't get on the PC, and those that are available for Windows are better graphically.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 04:12 Edited at: 1st Sep 2010 04:15
The article says only in the US. Canada and everyone else FTW!
Besides the new xbox can use your own internet.


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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 12:12
I'm probably not going to renew my XBox Live subscription when it ends, not because of any of this malarky, but because I'm currently not using it.

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Quote: "not because of any of this malarky, but because I'm currently not using it."


^this.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 13:03
Thinkin about it nw if it is only in the us I think it is because if it was 50 usd for all this time that means that in pounds they are only payin 31 pound for their yearly subscription where other people are payin £40

with the price raise you now pay £38 which us closer to the target £40 they want

yes ok I agree a sudden increase is unfair but it is only increasing because it has been cheaper tha everywhere else for a long time
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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 13:17
Meh, I don't have to renew 'til Christmas, so an extra £6 then isn't gonna break the bank for me...

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It's not the gamers who will suffer, it's the parents. Face it, most people who will have to deal with this are the parents, for obvious reasons. I'll stick with PSN. For years Xbox players have said it'd be charged after a while, still have yet to see so. I'll also stick with Steam.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 13:42
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I played xbox live a lot... and then for some reason my router was spontaneously incompatible (srsly, it worked for like 6 months then stopped)... and then my xbox 360 RROD'd, and then it got fixed, then it RROD'd again. My opinion at this point is "I'm done w/ dat crap". I got hyped up over "limbo" but I just don't like the whole xbox point card system. My parents even recently got an xbox live subscription to stream netflix from our 360 to the TV... but i don't think I want to touch it xD

This kinda cracked me up:
Quote: ""Since launching Xbox LIVE in 2002 we have continually added more content and entertainment experiences for our members, while keeping the price the same," he said. "We’re confident that when the new pricing takes effect, an Xbox LIVE Gold membership will continue to offer the best value in the industry.""


What industry is he talking about? the xbox 360 industry?

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Quote: "What industry is he talking about? the xbox 360 industry?"


Yes. Much like the movie, music, and pornography industry, Xbox is now a standard gaming service for millions.

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It's plain cheek that Microsoft sell their games at the same price as Sony yet charge for online play where as Playstation online is free.

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This is the trouble with consoles and why i will never buy one the only people that can release software for consoles is the manufacturer or people that have permissions from the manufacturer. Where as a PC is a free place to develop and with almost no costs involved with licensing in development. This can be seen with Steam which beats XBOZ Live hands down and is 100% Free. Yes that's right no subscriptions.
Consoles are a dead end way of gaming with no open development and with everything controlled by one set of people it is doomed to fail. The only other way it can go is they evolve to be PC's again themselves which is how they are going now.

Just look at the fact console users spend money on almost everything and at huge extra costs. The games for XBOX and PS area massively more expensive than the PC equivalent (at least they are in the UK) you can pay £40-£50 easily for a XBOX game which is stupid amounts the PC games max at about £40 and that is for a blockbuster release type game and most are under £20-£30 at the time of release.

Now onto the graphics they say that XBOX and PS can take full advantage of a 1080p HD TV screen what total crap. Have you seen the comparisons of games on XBOX compared to PC it simply can't stack up to the same level of quality and speed that a PC has, the hardware inside those consoles is shameful. Many people say "oh but the controllers are better", rubbish the controllers all work on PC anyway you can even get Wii style controllers for PC.

I just don't see how consoles managed to get this popular in the first place its just a waste of money you don't ever need to spend. Everyone that has a console has a PC so why not use that to do gaming on then your not wasting money on a console.

Sorry for the rant but i just can't stand consoles or the way they are used. I'm sure other will agree with me on most of those points.

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It's because people don't save money. They'd rather buy a PC for £400 then later buy a console for £300 instead of saving up for a good £700 computer.
I knew a girl who would buy tiny little bottles of shampoo because she couldn't afford the big bottles and the little ones cost like 6 times as much per ml! Some people just aren't good with money.

I have a console xD and a rubbish old computer xD xD

Also families tend to have one family computer and then other devices like games consoles exclusively for games. Well I suppose this isn't true any more actually.

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You can build a quad core terabyte machine with 4gb DDR3 and a GTX 460 for less than £600. That basically has you all set for true HD DirectX 11 gaming (99% of 360 games don't output higher than 720p) and you can bump up AA/AF and put the model/texture settings to highest where on a 360 they'll be on medium-high. (low-medium for GTA IV).


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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@Seppuku Arts, LIES!!!

you were on your new final fantasy game !!!

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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 16:31 Edited at: 1st Sep 2010 17:03
Generally I would have agreed with you Next. I was always a PC gamer (except on exclusives I wanted to play) and I liked the fact I could get better graphics and a better resolution (though with HDTVs, you only get better resolutions on the more expensive monitors, my HDTV is both my monitor and TV screen). However, I found that actually not every game was compatible with every hardware configuration, a problem I never encountered until I spent £700 on a gaming laptop. Some games ran great, I mean Crysis ran nicely on decent settings. However, there were games I had a poor experience running, despite being within spec - even turning them to the lowest settings didn't help. Mass Effect was the worst for it and it was the one that made me paranoid about purchasing other games for my PC. I browsed different tech support forums and found that other people couldn't run certain games because they weren't compatible with their hardware configuration.

It was that which led me into buying a 360, some of the games I had on the PC I re-bought for the 360 just so I could complete them. And I was pretty much guaranteed that if I bought a game, it'd work, I wouldn't need to go to a tech support forum to find tweaks if it didn't (assuming those tweaks even work). I think my £700 would have better spent on buying a £500 lower spec laptop to do work on and use for multimedia and £200 on my 360.

As for paying £40-£50 per game, I rarely have to, normally I buy games second hand, if I don't consider a game to worth £40-50 I usually wait until it goes down in price. I rarely want to buy a game on release anyway because I've got other games to complete or other older releases I've missed out on, eg. I've still not played Brutal Legend and it's going for £10 in my local GAME. Without buying Steam games or games with protection methods like SecuRom I can trade in my games. I can't trade in the PC versions of Half Life 2, Left4Dead, Mass Effect, Fallout 3 or Prince of Persia, despite me not playing them any more.

I think getting an XBox 360 was actually worth my money. I don't mind paying subscriptions when I want to play multiplayer - to me, that's the only downside to me having an XBox 360.

The gaming laptop is now dead and the XBox lives on. I could have bought a desktop because they're easier and cheaper to repair, but I don't need a desktop. A laptop is suitable for my lifestyle, a desktop isn't.

Quote: "Everyone that has a console has a PC so why not use that to do gaming on then your not wasting money on a console."


And I'm sure every PC is suitable for gaming? EG: My parents have an old eMac, an old Toshiba laptop and a Playstation 3. The eMac does everything they need from a computer, likewise for the laptop (at least after the ram was upgraded). Even if an eMac could run bootcamp with Windows, its hardware is too outdated or low spec and the same for the laptop. There's no hope in hell my Dad could play any of the Call of Duty games on either of them.

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Quote: "@Seppuku Arts, LIES!!!

you were on your new final fantasy game !!! "


You don't need an XBox Live Gold subscription to play Final Fantasy XI: Online. It'd be a bit of a cheek to have to pay for PlayOnline's subscription fees and XBLG.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 16:49
Wii FOREVER!!

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Quote: "Wii FOREVER!!"


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There are only about 5 decent wii games, everything eles is party rubbish. I wanted more platformers, but developers seem to have lost interest. They even ruined Banjo Kazooie.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Don;t know if this was mentioned, but whenever I need to renew i go toe ebay and buy a year GOLD card for 30 bucks! Super good deal and I've never had a problem with it!

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Theres actually a site that sells the codes for £25, ill have to harass my dad later as to the site name, but we've bought at least 10 from there and they have all worked

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Am I the only one who thinks £25 isn't that great either, for a less populated and less graphical game with 12 year olds on the mic?

That's £25 more than Steam, and most PC games are way cheaper with support for a wired 360 controller.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Yeah, but with game consoles it's guaranteed that it will work, you dont have to upgrade ur graphics card every time a game comes out, you don't have to worry about installing drivers, or not having a fast enough hdd. it all works right out of the box!

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Quote: "Yeah, but with game consoles it's guaranteed that it will work, you dont have to upgrade ur graphics card every time a game comes out, you don't have to worry about installing drivers, or not having a fast enough hdd. it all works right out of the box!"


Whilst this is true, what cost does it come at?

1. The software is more expensive
2. You cannot upgrade the hardware bit by bit, spending small amounts over time
3. You can only use it for games.

I am of the opinion that if I give microsoft or sony several hundred dollars to buy a computer (yes, a console IS a computer) then I should be able to use that hardware in any way I see fit, whether it being upgrading or using it to execute any task I choose.

It is annoying that anything I do on the computer is fully controlled by somebody else.

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Posted: 1st Sep 2010 23:30 Edited at: 1st Sep 2010 23:33
Well you're kind of wrong there castek. You should only need to upgrade your PC once per console, but you may need to wait for PC hardware to catch up. No 360 game will ever beat my GTX 460, and keep in mind that lots of games aren't on highest setting.

So if your GPU can play games on medium or high at 720p then you've got a 360 beating graphics card. If you can run most games at max at 1680*1050 like me, then you instantly see consoles as inferior.

As me and Mnemonix said, the software is not more expensive in lots of cases. Bioshock is £12 cheaper. Arkham Asylum is £10 cheaper, GOTY £3. Mafia 2 is £10 cheaper too.

And you shouldn't have to worry about HDDs. 1tb HDDs at 7,200rpm are now less than £50. How much do micronazi charge you? What's that, £70 for 250gb at Tesco?


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Oh no! Burn these people who dare slightly raise the prices of their products in an effort to make money.
Never been an XBoxer myself. Couldn't afford it.

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People are saying PC's are better, what about when you've got mates round? pc doesn't do split screen?

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You can get a Left 4 Dead/2 splitscreen mod. Not sure about others.

And who says you can't say both? As prevously stated, I do, for the console exclusives.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Never said you can't mate just making a point of it.

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Yeah well, I have no need for splitscreen. That means having, actual.... friends?


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Quote: "you dont have to upgrade ur graphics card every time a game comes out, you don't have to worry about installing drivers, or not having a fast enough hdd. it all works right out of the box!"

Actually you don't have to upgrade your PC anywhere near that often, the games they release on PC requirements are generally capped at a slight amount above the consoles, so you only really need to upgrade your graphics card every generation of consoles, occasionally games will need better requirements, but again, that comes in generations of games rather than every time ones released.

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I guess I chose the best time to give up on my xbox 360. No, I didn't give it up cause it sucked or bad experience, I much enjoyed it but now that university is starting I need to focus.
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or just get a ps3, works out alot cheaper in the end...

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Except the need to buy a £300-400 PS4 in the future, as oppose to a new £200-300 graphics card that'll last 'til the next next-gen..


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Quote: "Except the need to buy a £300-400 PS4 in the future, as oppose to a new £200-300 graphics card that'll last 'til the next next-gen.."

if ur talking about computers than i already agree that pcs are better than any console. but that wasnt my point.

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Not everyone has £280 to spare on a 4 year old console. (Well, the slim was only released last year but it's still the same thing)


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Oh no, and extra 75 cents per month. It's simply outrageous. Whatever will we do? Just what are we going to do?! I KNOW! We can boycott XBL and Halo Reach!

Seriously I don't care. An extra 75 cents per month is nothing.

And as for console vs. PC, I switched to PC gaming a few years ago and have now decided that PC gaming sucks, because you constantly need upgrades. It so far has cost me more to build my PC than it has for my Xbox and ALL of it's games! That is ridiculous. And the advantages are nowhere near enough to warrant an extra 3000 dollars every two years so that I can keep playing at the same graphical quality as PC.

It's definitely cheaper and easier to go with console gaming and I am looking forward to dropping PC gaming when Halo Reach comes out in a fortnight.
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Spending that extra money is worth it so you can play the current gen games at higher qualities. I'm pretty confident my rig will continue to run games at 360 or higher quality until the next generation of consoles, however long that may be. It just depends what's new by then.

And now you've built your PC, all you'll need to upgrade in the future is the graphics card and maybe power supply. Definitely a lot less than a full console.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Enough with the pc vs console! It's simple,

If you have any of these qualities:
-Have no knowledge of computers
-Just want to play a game right out of the box
-Only use computers for normal stuff(web surfing)
-Cutting edge graphics aren't a big deal
-Don't have the extra $300
-Don't play video games all that often

Then a console is perfect for you otherwise consider a pc. Now can we go back the original topic?

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Quote: "-Cutting edge graphics aren't a big deal
-Don't have the extra $300
-Don't play video games all that often"


Right, so scrap the 360 and buy an Xbox instead.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Am I the only one who thinks £25 isn't that great either, for a less populated and less graphical game with 12 year olds on the mic?

That's £25 more than Steam, and most PC games are way cheaper with support for a wired 360 controller."


PC doesnt have FF or Halo 3/reach <.<, those are the only reasons to why i have X-box360 ^^


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2010 13:07 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2010 13:51
It's a pretty silly debate when you look at it and is a bit of a thread ruiner. After all, it appears that when a person starts a console related thread it turns into a fan-based debate. But it isn't all that necessary, after all:

Which of the following is the superior gaming system? PC, XBox 360, PS3, Wii.

You'll no doubt pick your favourite one. I'd probably pick my favourite one, a friend of mine could pick their favourite one, my sister could pick her favourite one, but the chances are we're not all going to pick the same one. You may wish to bicker about why yours is the best and why everybody should choose it, but at the end of the day, you find it's the best because it's best suited for you.

But what you must remember is that just because it's best suited for you, it's not best suited for everybody. My family bought a PS3 and I think it was the best choice they could have made, despite me buying an XBox 360. There's no way my family could benefit from PC gaming, I probably can when I can afford to buy a gaming rig, considering I used to be PC gamer, but I still find plenty of benefits in owning my 360. I've got a friend who only enjoys Zelda and Mario games and retro Nintendo games, so he's got a Wii, a Nintendo DS, a Nintendo 64 and a Super Nintendo, it'd be utterly pointless to tell him PC gaming or playing on an XBox is superior.

We all love our gaming machines and they brings us a lot of joy and entertainment, so that should be all that matters, right? Who cares what somebody else prefers. They choice is only rubbish when they find that it wasn't the best choice for them.

Now for the discussion at hand. Price rise - it seems to be the only downside with the 360, but people are willing to pay for it and as highlighted, the US tend to get it cheaper anyway. I bet they felt, "how much is it going to hurt?" It's typically the practice of ANY business, they'll increase prices where they think they can make extra profit. People may be annoyed, but they'll still pay their subscription fees because they like playing the XBox online.

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Quote: "Oh no, and extra 75 cents per month. It's simply outrageous. Whatever will we do? Just what are we going to do?! I KNOW! We can boycott XBL and Halo Reach!

Seriously I don't care. An extra 75 cents per month is nothing.
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I know it's not much, but it's still kind of crap that they raise it.

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2010 20:10 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2010 20:11
Jerry Springer's Final Thought:

Quote: "It's a pretty silly debate when you look at it and is a bit of a thread ruiner. After all, it appears that when a person starts a console related thread it turns into a fan-based debate. But it isn't all that necessary, after all:

Which of the following is the superior gaming system? PC, XBox 360, PS3, Wii.

You'll no doubt pick your favourite one. I'd probably pick my favourite one, a friend of mine could pick their favourite one, my sister could pick her favourite one, but the chances are we're not all going to pick the same one. You may wish to bicker about why yours is the best and why everybody should choose it, but at the end of the day, you find it's the best because it's best suited for you.

But what you must remember is that just because it's best suited for you, it's not best suited for everybody. My family bought a PS3 and I think it was the best choice they could have made, despite me buying an XBox 360. There's no way my family could benefit from PC gaming, I probably can when I can afford to buy a gaming rig, considering I used to be PC gamer, but I still find plenty of benefits in owning my 360. I've got a friend who only enjoys Zelda and Mario games and retro Nintendo games, so he's got a Wii, a Nintendo DS, a Nintendo 64 and a Super Nintendo, it'd be utterly pointless to tell him PC gaming or playing on an XBox is superior.

We all love our gaming machines and they brings us a lot of joy and entertainment, so that should be all that matters, right? Who cares what somebody else prefers. They choice is only rubbish when they find that it wasn't the best choice for them.

Be good to yourself... and each other."


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2010 20:19
Quote: "
Which of the following is the superior gaming system? PC, XBox 360, PS3, Wii.
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The way he listed these are best to worst . Wii sucks.


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