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Geek Culture / how to make a Super-Human?

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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 06:27 Edited at: 11th Sep 2010 09:49
I love thinking about the future, and one of the things that comes to mind when people think about the very distant future, is super-humans. Being able to leap buildings in a single bound, super strength, super-intelligence, super long lifespan, etc.

I think super-intelligence would be the most important, because from that, all the other attributes follow (intelligence creates technology).

So... I was thinking... What changes could be made - working with our brain - to create a super-intelligence?

As far as I see it, there are four categories:

external stimuli (something that teaches the brain. A super-accelerated learning program or something - which our education system is now compared to a couple ten thousands of years ago.)
partially-external (wired up directly to the outputs and inputs of the brain)
partially integrated (its not like you can get much done from a single output. A brain-surface covering device maybe?)
completely integrated (neurons next to nanobots???)

I think completely integrated is the way to go for a real super-intelligence, because the idea is to work with the *thoughts* of someone's brain.

Now, we definitely don't have the technology to do that right now, but it makes me think: Even if we had all the information of what is going on in the brain, would we know what to do with it?

Say that someone *thought* the words to "humpty dumpty". That person would know exactly what he was thinking. Now imagine we had a recording of that over time - that we knew which neuron was firing when and where throughout the entire brain, along with as much information as we wanted about anything else that contained his thoughts. We would have NO clue what to do with that! He could be a random bundle of jittering nerves for all we can analyze the data for, even though that's all the data we need!

I mean, that raises thoughts like - what is "self consciousness", and "is there a solution". The thing is... we know that there *is* an acceptable definition of self consciousness (if I said "I am thinking." everyone would know what I was talking about), and we know that there is an answer, because that person (meaning his self-consciousness) knows the answer.



The solution to this problem would be a MASSIVE feat, and after the thoughts are understood, they can be altered and read from at will, and the problem becomes one of implementation.

Does anyone know of any projects analyzing neural networks in such abstract depth? Anyways, I'll stop typing... I was just thinking about this and I think its a great idea to plant in people's heads.

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just realized that I rly rly meant to be saying self awareness this whole time. Just... replace that xD.

Fatal Berserker
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 06:40 Edited at: 11th Sep 2010 06:47
Neuro Fuzzy.. ITS ALIVE, ITS ALIVE!



Are you trying to be dr Frankenstein.

And btw, have u just played prototype?

Smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast.
DJ Almix
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 07:04
GIB EM WANNA'A DESE:


on a more serious note I don't want super humans, because I think there will be a divide with people who think there better because there super and people who are not.

Slayer
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 07:46
@Neuro Fuzzy, cool topic

I think the future of robotics is in the creation of an advance AI.
An AI that can learn is were the new way to invent lies.
Quantum Computers will be able to compute as fast or faster then the human mind and to control such speed there needs to be an AI. Programming such a computer would be pointless and the power would be also pointless unless the computer could program itself.

I think the future of super human thinking would only be possible
with such a computer integrated within the human mind.

Think if the action of punching was triggered under certain condition's and those condition's were just a stimulation of the brain in certain areas. It would take a human to see these condition's being met then react. The time taken for the human mind to compute a situation and then to understand that all condition's have been met would be much slower then a computer. If we could teach a computer to understand condition's and to stimulate the brain in the areas to help us to see that all condition's have been met, we could then have super human speed.

Then the mind would only be able to react by reflex. Because the mind would remember what the computer thought it under the most simples condition's. So say a cup was flying at you from your left side and all you saw was a spec in the view of your eyes(something not even to consider), the computer would see something else and have you to duck(by stimulating the mind to meet the condition's for you to duck). you would then remember what the condition's were for you to duck under such simple condition's(condition's you wouldn't even consider)... now when you see these condition's on your own the spec flying at you on your left side you would then duck by a reflex.... its complicated to explane. But all in all you would teach the computer and the computer would teach you. it would be the next stage in human evolution.

ow and Im a big fan of AI!

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Neuro Fuzzy
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 09:44 Edited at: 11th Sep 2010 10:07
the movie? I love the movie rly sad tho...

I think... building upon and with the brain is the best idea, until we're all smarter. If we don't know how our brains work, and "self counsciousness" isn't just our little pipe-dream... we could create something smarter than us, without self-consciousness... and that would be bad. I'm attached to the term self-conscious just because its the one thing that's so distinctly life-like.

But yeah, less involved integration than I described above would still give amazing benefits. Besides super fast reflexes, you could do intense calculations in your head, make insane feats of memory trivial.

The question I posed above is one of the most important things, like, ever, I think. Like e=mc^2 or something.

[edit]

just sleuthed up an amazing article!
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/rama08/rama08_index.html

This guy lives in my city, and I've read his "a brief tour of human consciousness", but I found this article on google. Very very interesting stuff, especially about "mirror neurons".

I really need to stop being interested in multiple things at a time... but I'm thinking that an analysis of neural networks - if somehow we can get them to exhibit mirror neurons - would be the place to start.

CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 14:28
Power armour. That's all I'd need.

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Metal Devil123
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 15:53
Take 2 tea spoons of super and 3 of human, mix them with some eggs and you got your self a super-human that can cook!

Slayer
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 21:35
Yha the movie dame good one too... dame aliens wanting to know what it be like to be human, id rater be the alien! hahahahaa

But with what I described above you would be able to calculate at
super human speed, remember 'Quantum Computers' will be faster then
a human... it would take just as long as a human to think if you have extra neurons in the brain, there just like transistors right?
if you add more you get more and you just would need more space in the brain?

Have you ever read something with all letters token out but the first and last letters. You could still read it... now calculating things would be even more simple of a task then ducking as a reflex...

See the idea is for the computer to learn on its own as the human teaches it... and if self conscious is a bunch of neurons then the computer could understand self conscious... because it would start to see why one dose any action and understand things the human would never see.

The amount of information a simple QC can hold in the space of a neuron or mirror neurons with nano tec is like a million times more then the neuron or mirror neuron could ever handle. It would just be a waist of space compared to a QC.

I say all this with all respect to you and your ideas.

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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 22:27
I wanna be a super-human.

Metal Devil123
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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 22:57
And I wanna be Batman, but I can't so just live with it! Life is miserable!

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Posted: 11th Sep 2010 23:47
With one of these.


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I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.

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