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Fatal Berserker
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Posted: 30th Sep 2010 21:36 Edited at: 30th Sep 2010 22:24
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Hey guys, the new Civ game is out!
I got it the other day, and myself being an avid fan of Civ3 for many a years(i got Civ4 when it came out even though i did play it for a while, i did find it was lacking fun that was in its previous version), but i have found Civ5 to be sorely disappointing.

I understand somethings like, 1 unit per tile, thats a good move.
The engine is alot better, and i like the new graphics (ooo shiny), and i have to say, the UI is nicer.

I like the GDR though too:Image Its a new unit that looks damn epic, and i can imagine it dancing in a parking lot and then turning into a car... However i gave 2 to a city state to help protect it, and for some reason even with 2 GDRs they got whiped out by an empire which was still using Riflemen...

But they really have shafted things like wonders, i used to be the sort of player who would form strong alliances with weak factions, build them up by giving them gold, then working together for world domination.

However in Civ5 it isnt really like that anymore, in the two games ive played (both Epic, one huge map on default difficulty, and one on small with all the islands on prince difficulty), and i only managed to get 1 defensive pact, which was canceled a few turns after when they decided they were too good for me.

Another thing i hate is, around 600AD on the huge map i had control over 1 of the two major continents in my game, i left the other continent alone because i was happy on my own \'island\'. But by 2000AD they would still refuse all diplomatic offers because i was a blood lusting villan...

Anyway ill stop rambling, whats your first impressions of the game?

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The game is also REALLY slowly passed, i find myself most of the time spam pressing end turn waiting for something to be done. Going to war sometimes causes around 100-200 years to prepare which is insane!

Oh, and nukes are now pointless, like always i am a nuke fan and love building them near the end of the game for fun... and to blow everyone else up. But you can only target tiles that are within 5 tiles of the nuke. Thats the radius of my city!

And now you have to pay to expand your cities borders (before it grew over time due to culture, well it still happens, but probably 1 tile every 100-200 years, and to go faster you have to pay a heft amount per tile...)

You also cant form alliances, you can only form 'Pacts of Cooperation' which do NOTHING (apart from making them happier if successful, if not successful they sometimes hate you more 'How dare you!')...

Also, they removed all victory screens, when you win a game all the fun there is, is to press main menu... You can no longer see how your faction grew or other fun information..

Smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast.
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Green Gandalf
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Posted: 30th Sep 2010 22:46 Edited at: 30th Sep 2010 22:46
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And I thought Civ3 was bad compared to Civ2 ...

My wife's just got Civ5 and I'm not allowed near it.

Does Civ5 have a decent map editor like Civ2 and Civ3? If so you can probably devise a scenario that suits your style.
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Jeff Miller
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Posted: 30th Sep 2010 22:55
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I've played 5 games so far and I like it.

For one thing, I like the hex-tile terrain arrangement. Incidentally, they are overlays; at a complex stage (maybe after 300 turns) I occasionally see the base terrain show through, which naturally is square tiles.

I also favor the low-key background music they have added, which is conducive to concentrating. Although the music in Civ 4 was exceptionally good, it was so good that it was distracting to me.

I actually like the option of either purchasing an adjacent tile at what you accurately describe as sometimes a high price, or awaiting some naturally absorption of the tile after a while. It's another choice to make, and I like choices. (The third option, which I've used now and then, is to buy another settler and stash him several tiles away to suck up most of those that I am interested in.)

Like Civ 4, I expect patches will be coming out to speed up the time the game takes to ruminate between turns.

I agree that the diplomacy features could use improvement. I liberated a civ and 30 turns later it was flinging insults at me!
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Posted: 30th Sep 2010 23:39
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GG - yes, included in a Worldbuilder of some sort. Here is the link to the Modder's Guide

http://kael.civfanatics.net/files/ModdersGuide.pdf

Fatal Berserker - do you realize that the first two responses you drew are from guys in their early 60's? Does that tell you something about the game?
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Posted: 30th Sep 2010 23:48
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Quote: "I agree that the diplomacy features could use improvement. I liberated a civ and 30 turns later it was flinging insults at me!
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you should also know that 30turns = 30x25 years which = 750 years

which should mean they realisticly would have changed covernor atleast 8 times xD
but now we all know we keep the same governor all the time, but that still means he should have forgotten it!

great game! i like it very much, very slow paced tho (pressing next turn button 6 times in a row happens a lot) ans the diplomacy is CRAP imo, i cant trade at all with my neighbors, when i suggest open borders, they dont want it, the next turn ,THEY want it and ask me for it

and i cant trade resources, since what theyre willing tot rade for is insane amount of stuff

it seems everything is on their conditions! which is crap.

rest assured it is a great game^^ i play as Russia <33 xD


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Posted: 1st Oct 2010 00:09 Edited at: 1st Oct 2010 00:14
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Quote: "Does Civ5 have a decent map editor like Civ2 and Civ3? If so you can probably devise a scenario that suits your style."

Apparently so but it DOESNT come with civ5, you have to install it seperatly, and i havnt installed it yet.

Heh, i was in an another small game, this faction took over 2 other factions in 1 massive campaign. I then decided to use this opportunity to quickly rid the world of a small, yet lucky rival (had his capital built on a goldmine of resources, and i didnt want a global war on me). So i stormed his empire when everyone was too busy focusing on this other guy...

After the war ended, everyone would make me now charge stupid amounts of resources for a 'fair trade' because i was a warmongering villan. The odd bit, was this guy who destroyed 2 factions, refused to speak to me, because he also claimed i was a tyrant.

The AI in this game is the worst out of any Civ game.

Smoke me a kipper, ill be back for breakfast.
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Hmm, at first I was thinking I wouldnt buy it after all when I read the first post.

But the rest of you have changed my mind back to getting it

The 2,000,000th TGC post was made in MY ww2 weapons thread!

(I should now be a TGC legend, right?)
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Posted: 1st Oct 2010 00:15 Edited at: 1st Oct 2010 00:19
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Quote: "Hmm, at first I was thinking I wouldnt buy it after all when I read the first post.

But the rest of you have changed my mind back to getting it"

:o
You should really see how bad the AI is first.

Quote: "For one thing, I like the hex-tile terrain arrangement. Incidentally, they are overlays; at a complex stage (maybe after 300 turns) I occasionally see the base terrain show through, which naturally is square tiles."


They dont use hex for the terrain, they use hex for positioning cities and units. Cos u can tell it isnt really hex when you look at the coastline.

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Dont get me wrong, im not hating the game, i just think it needs some serious patching, especially with the AI.

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So far I have played only Multiplayer games.

The first game I played on Chieftan with my brother. We dominated the entire world in 150 turns.

So then we upped it to Warlord difficulty, and we still won, but it took longer. The AI seemed to operate the same as when we played chieftan. So for the third game, I had another friend join in. We played on Emperor. I've never won a game that high of difficulty, but we did, and it was just as easy, it just took longer. We even made all the AI in locked alliances of 3-4 civs each.

So it appears that the difficulty in multiplayer only affects you, like how much you can support, your initial happiness, how long tech research takes, etc. HOWEVER, no matter what difficulty you choose, the AI play "brain dead". We ended up modding our XML files to make them all 2x more aggressive in order to get a challenge, and even then all they did was zerg us; no strategy change at all.

In addition to all that, in Multiplayer you have limited map choices, no mod support, no animations, very limited dialog boxes (I guess in SP you are notified of alot more than MP). We also could not get a four player game to work. Someone would always get dropped, and this was all on LAN.

I understand that the Single Player is waaaay better, but the MP seemed to fail very hard. The lack of diplomacy options was a let down, and wonder effects weren't shared by locked teams like in Civ 4 so even though we were in a team, we faught over wonders.

Of course we plan to try again once they patch it up a bit, but for now we have Uncharted Waters Online coming out today so Civ5 get shelved a bit early.

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Quote: "In addition to all that, in Multiplayer you have limited map choices, no mod support"


No mod support?

http://www.yougamers.com/news/29638_civilization_v_mod_tools_released/

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Quote: "No mod support?"


For Single Player only. When you click "Multiplayer" it takes you to the screen where you enter map details, or load a savegame. Nowhere can you "load a mod" before entering MP.

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Has anyone experienced frequent crashing with Civ5?

My wife has been playing it a lot on her W7 64bit laptop and when she gets in the closing stages of the game it starts to crash frequently. She's playing in single player mode with no time constraints (currently at year 2104, new to Civ5 mode). She noticed some improvement after setting all the graphics options to low but still gets frequent crashes. Any ideas?

I see the game requires you to be connected to the Internet. As we have a slow Broadband connection I wonder if that's likely to be involved in the problem. I have no idea what if anything is actually using the Internet as you play though.

Apart from that, she's having great fun with it.

And I'm still struggling with Civ3.
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I WANT THIS GAME SO BAD...

;_;

beer will never wash away my tears

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Posted: 6th Nov 2010 22:27 Edited at: 6th Nov 2010 22:28
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Quote: "My wife has been playing it a lot on her W7 64bit laptop and when she gets in the closing stages of the game it starts to crash frequently. She's playing in single player mode with no time constraints (currently at year 2104, new to Civ5 mode). She noticed some improvement after setting all the graphics options to low but still gets frequent crashes. Any ideas?

I see the game requires you to be connected to the Internet. As we have a slow Broadband connection I wonder if that's likely to be involved in the problem. I have no idea what if anything is actually using the Internet as you play though."


It only requires you to be connected when you run steam.
After you have logged into steam and u can see the game there, u dont need your internet anymore (not even to run it).
If your worried about internet usage, look up how to convert steam to offline mode (so u dont need to have internet at all).

And yes, its a very buggy game, which is why i stopped playing it, even after the updates. Hardily finished, and the combat system is still stale.

Quote: "I WANT THIS GAME SO BAD..."

Dont, its buggy, unfinished, and unbalanced.

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Posted: 6th Nov 2010 22:47
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Quote: "Dont, its buggy, unfinished, and unbalanced."


???

I played the demo and I loved it.

The day I got the demo and loved it, the mongol pack came out which makes me want it more...

And I have a friend who has it on Steam and hasn't played it ONCE.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2010 00:13 Edited at: 7th Nov 2010 00:21
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Fatal Berserker

Thanks. I'll pass that Steam information on. I know nothing about Steam myself so can't help.

I've played Civ2 and Civ3 a lot over the years. Civ2 would sometimes insist on crashing towards the end of the game - but usually when I'd been playing around with Cheat Mode and had implausible numbers of cities and units. In contrast, I don't think Civ3 has crashed at all and seems very stable.

One day I'll move on to Civ4 and Civ5 ...

Edit Just re-read my first post where I said:

Quote: "And I thought Civ3 was bad compared to Civ2"


I've revised that opinion recently having played Civ3 again - and the map and rule editor is really good. I was probably thinking of my first few attempts at the game where I was too used to Civ2.

I haven't worked out how to run Civ2 on my 64bit machine - it's supposed to be possible but I can't get various suggestions to work. Perhaps it's time for me to move on.
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Quote: "I played the demo and I loved it."

Yes, everyone thought the same thing. You only get 100 turns because if u get any more the game screws up. The AI are terrible, but u cant make that out in the demo as it is too short.

Quote: "I haven't worked out how to run Civ2 on my 64bit machine - it's supposed to be possible but I can't get various suggestions to work. Perhaps it's time for me to move on."

Maybe you can find an emulator.

IMO Civ3, is still the best civ game by far. But i never really played Civ2. (Civ3 is only actually good with the expansions though, because of auto exploring).

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Quote: "IMO Civ3, is still the best civ game by far"


I can believe that (although I haven't played Civ4 or 5 yet). The graphics still look good even though it's rather old.

Quote: "Civ3 is only actually good with the expansions though"


Something else for me to explore.
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