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DJ Almix
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Posted: 1st Oct 2010 04:51 Edited at: 1st Oct 2010 05:22
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I like both sides of the gaming spectrum, from Halo to HL2, to Portal to Dawn of War. Although whenever a forum topic starts about a game that isn't on PC, the PC gamers immediately move in with "they copied this"or "boring this". Come on guys how come you can't just live with console gamers? I own an Xbox 360 and a PC and play games on both and am doing just fine.

The thing I am mainly wondering is why is that you don't hate just specific console games, but all of them?

PLEASE, Please! Do not turn this into a flame war! [Even though it probably will...]




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Idk bout anyone else. But Im a PC gamer mainly cuzz I just perfer the keyboard and mouse over a controller anyday. Also because of mods. I have a PS3 and a Wii but I rarely touch them because I have very few games for them since I got them less then 4 months ago. I have about 19 PC games that I bought and about 7 more thats free. When I get some more cash I'll get more ps3 and wii games then have fun with them. I'll get a 360 when there money for me.

The consoles for me are for excusive games only for them. Like MGS4, SSBB And Halo Etc. But for everything else I'll get it on PC...Don't find the consoles boring at all. I just need some more games but I have very lil cash. Life comes before gaming...

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Im a pc gamer bcoz I can't afford the consoles!

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I hope this prejudice you speak of isn't on these forums... if you are I don't see it. I play both PC games and console games as well. The main difference in PCs vs consoles is programs like Darkbasic Pro don't exist on consoles and thus aren't as fun to me. I enjoy making games a lot more than I like playing them even though I play more than I make.

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I stopped being picky a long time ago. I play games on all the consoles, from the PC, 360 and PS3, to the Dreamcast and Gamecube, mame arcade games, emulated games... I guess I'm saying I'm a gamer with disposable income.

Right now, I'm playing http://www.undercroft.com/ on the iPod Touch - it's free, and just like the old dungeon crawler games (Captive, Dungeon Master, Eye of the Beholder). It's actually about the best iPhone game I've played, check it out!. Minecraft on the PC and Mac as well of course, always Minecraft.

Every platform has it's good and bad points, but the worst thing has to be all the fanboys - especially between the PC, PS3 and 360. It's easy to dismiss if you own all the consoles, it's people who only have 1 platform that tend to get their backs up. The way I see it, it's best to just get on with playing the games you want to play and enjoying them, I don't mind if it's on a controller, or mouse and keyboard.

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consoles are fairly inexpensive compared to good gaming PCs, but PCs have a lot more stuff for them. I feel like in the long run the money i would spend on console games would make my console be more expensive in the long run. PC games are relativley cheaper than console games. Especially in russia even the licenced PC games are relativley cheap. I do wish they would release some console games for PC. and i feel like PC gaming is really dying out and i really hate it. less games get released for PC like i really wish red dead redemption would get released for PC. and the PC ports are usually filled with glitches.

Another reason why i choose not to buy a console is because games they sell in russia are dubbed in russian and i perfer to play the enlish version (if its made to be english) games like metro 2033 and STALKER i perfer to play in russian. Anyway PC versions offer both english and russian versions unlike consoles. yet i have started to notice that more games sold in russia every year begin to not have english version at all just the russian version (so they could save space i guess for games that take up a significant chunk on conversations)

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Well my xbox blew up yesterday, so im limited to the pc for now. Unamused since i had just got halo wars.

As for the pc vs console, i think its because the pc gamers put them selves on a higher pedistil since they normally have to fork out more, or have the knowledge and built it themselves while console is plugin and play. Thats the probably the casue of most of the inane prattle that starts. Theres also a larger age difference between the two for reasons said above. Eh i think we control ourselves a bit better than other places ive been. An example;

WTF? OF CORSE 360 ELITE IS BETTER IT HAS ELITE IN ITS NAME AND ALL YOU HAVE ARE PARTS THAT YOU PAY MORE FOR!

YEAH BUT MY PC IS LIKE 5 OF THOSE TIMW BOMBS, GOT THE RING OF DEATH YET???? LOLZ

and so on.


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People love conflict for some reason and create it where it doesn't exist.
If there was a forum about sandwiches (maybe there is!) I bet there'd be threads like "BLT pwns Ham!!!!", which is true but the point is there's no conflict between these things. The most ridiculous example I've seen is on music videos on youtube, people arguing over which band is better, why does this happen? It's not like there's limited space in the world of music and musicians have to fight over it, we can have all music.
It's just people preaching they're own opinion to others. I have to say I don't see that happening on here though.

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Quote: "Im a pc gamer bcoz I can't afford the consoles!"


This kinda confuses me because a Budget Gaming PC should cost at around $600 or so depending on where you buy them. Correct me if im wrong tho. All the consoles are about $300 or less. Unless you get one with around 250GB of HDD space (which is pointless if you ask me), But even so shouldn't be as much as a gaming pc...

Quote: "Well my xbox blew up yesterday, so im limited to the pc for now. Unamused since i had just got halo wars."


Ouch. That really gotta suck...

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Console games are more expensive than pc games. You only have to buy the hardware for pc and console once so it doesnt hurt much.

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I play xbox 360 and pc games, love both for different reasons. The xbox experience is often more immersive but the pc experience is more flexible.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2010 13:59 Edited at: 1st Oct 2010 14:00
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Quote: "Im a pc gamer bcoz I can't afford the consoles!
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I am neutral when it comes to the whole console vs. PC thing, but an Xbox 360 slim will cost you 300 US dollars. A top of the line computer will cost you upwards of 2000 US dollars.

This is the only thing, in my opinion, which seperates the two. Console gaming is FAR cheaper. I have an Xbox 360 consoles and a PC that was top of the line in 2009, and so far, the console I've had for three years and all its games has cost me less than the PC by itself! Seriously, I have no problems with either side, but PC gaming is far, far more expensive.
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Posted: 1st Oct 2010 14:37 Edited at: 1st Oct 2010 14:38
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Getting top of the line computers is the user's choice, buying a PC on-par with the performance of a 360 would cost you much less.

Anyway, if you do spend that extra money for the good PC, that's a one-off payment. Graphics cards after that would only need replacing once every 5 years or so to keep up with whatever generation of consoles. Just because you game on a PC doesn't mean you need to crank the settings on full.

Tbh there haven't been enough console exclusives to make my 360 worthwhile. And if a game is available for both, then the PC one will no doubt be cheaper, and better looking on my machine.

Some may I'm trapped in the past with my original Xbox, Gamecube, N64 and PS1, but at least the past was fun.

EDIT: And now Dead Rising 2 is available for PC too, that's one less exclusive for the 360.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Posted: 1st Oct 2010 14:44
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Quote: "Anyway, if you do spend that extra money for the good PC, that's a one-off payment. Graphics cards after that would only need replacing once every 5 years or so to keep up with whatever generation of consoles. Just because you game on a PC doesn't mean you need to crank the settings on full."


No, graphics cards usually need replacing every 2 years for me. CPU's, yes, 5 years, and PSUs also need replacing every now and then.
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I rarely upgrade my pc.
I dont have the luxury of upgrading frequently. Im trying to get to the position where I have the luxury of doing so. But until then, Im sticking to a pc as I can use it on other things.
For now, my life doesn't revolve on video games. Just for now!
Just kidding.
As Aaagreen said,
Quote: "Getting top of the line computers is the user's choice, buying a PC on-par with the performance of a 360 would cost you much less."

Plus you use pc's to create games in pc and consoles. pc is for the win!!

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Quote: "Console games are more expensive than pc games. You only have to buy the hardware for pc and console once so it doesnt hurt much."


About $600 or $700 for parts to play games on the same level as the consoles. If you just starting, Then add the Keyboard, Mouse, Speaker or headset and then a montior. Unless you already have these things which 80% you should then it would be even more then the consoles. The Games are cheaper by about 10% - 40%. Sometimes 80% (I seen some on steam don't remember when but they last about a week and doesnn't happen very often). If you bought 20 PC games (Not including Valves Compete Pack Because some of those games are PC only) and 20 X360 Or PS3 Or Wii Games, In additon to the hardware. Your still paying a little less then half more then consoles.

But over all it doesn't matter. It's the user choice to play what they want and spend on what they feel they need to game. You want to spend $2000+ On a PC for gaming. By all means go right ahead. I don't see why there's a fuss over the PC Vs. Console debate. If PC is too much for you, get a PS3 or a X360. Thats part of the reason why they exsist. To game hard without lossing an organ, or even a few brain cells when you build your pc and you mess up everything with ESD or some other random crap.

Theres a bunch of reasons By PC gaming is best, And the more or less, if not the same amount, of reasons consoles are the best. It's up to the user if they want one or the other or both. This wasn't intented as an attack on anyone, just saying is all as the whole PC vs. console people tend to bring up during online gaming in both my console and pc games is annyoing...

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You're wrong! You can beat xbox specs for 240 dollars!
xbox even has a very lame graphics processor...

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To tell you the truth, working on PC's all day the last thing I usually want to do is go home and turn the one I have at home on. But Im old and a bit crusty.

So I just flick on my console for a quick half hour play now and again its quick and simple.

Use my PC for programming the stuff I want to at weekends and for larger strategy/simulation games.

The whole which is best debate is futile as the the overall factor is how fun the game is to play rather than the platform.
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360 and PS3 have removable hard drives so why not graphics cards too? They don't make any money on the actual consoles anyway from what I heard.

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If you bought an xbox beating PC for $240, you would run it alongside an xbox, and realise that the xbox kicks it's ass anyway.

A PC is a PC. A console is a console. Consoles are designed for running games, and that's all - they don't have anything like the burdons a PC has. Really, any cheap PC will puke at the latest games, because the latest games are designed to run on PC's that cost more than $240. Then add on the price of Windows7, and try and make an xbox beater. It just doesn't happen, anyone who says it does, obviously has no real experience with building PC's or what is involved.

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Why do you want this to not be a flame war when you are flaming a group of people?

But i dont see them equivalent, i got my ps3 for my fps games and such, and i use my pc for other stuff. I prefer it that way.

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For me personally, it's always been PC. Although I have a Playstation too. But, I like the PC better because it allows me to do much more than just play games. I can create them, make and record music, chat with friends, look for a job, look at the latest news, the weather, create 3D models, write texts, etc...
One more reason I prefer a PC, is that you can easily upgrade your hardware (graphics card, memory sticks, drives, etc...). I don't know if that's possible with consoles, but I don't think so.
As for playing games, that's another matter. Then I don't mind playing on any console, as long as the game is good and fun.

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for games like Ninja gaiden and alike, Xbox/wii/ps, definitly!

but for FPS/action roleplay(hacknslash) or RTS, PC no doubt


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I don't own Xbox 360 (altho I play it all the time with my friends) or PS3, but I have nothing against them. I play PS2 occasionally, but mainly I'm a PC Gamer.

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There should be no competition between the users of consoles and computers. Everyone has to eventually learn to respect other people's opinions.

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Quote: "You're wrong! You can beat xbox specs for 240 dollars!
xbox even has a very lame graphics processor..."


Really? Build a $240 PC and play COD4 with the same graphic quality as the X360 and lagg free gameplay. I kno a $240 PC can run COD4. But will it run and look the same?

Quote: "There should be no competition between the users of consoles and computers. Everyone has to eventually learn to respect other people's opinions."


Exaclty.

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Quote: "Really? Build a $240 PC and play COD4 with the same graphic quality as the X360 and lagg free gameplay. I kno a $240 PC can run COD4. But will it run and look the same? "


I strongly doubt that CoD4 would run on a 240 dollar PC as well as it does on an Xbox 360. Consoles, like VanB said, are optimized for games and DESIGNED for games. There would be no contest, the Xbox would perform way better.
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Quote: "I strongly doubt that CoD4 would run on a 240 dollar PC as well as it does on an Xbox 360. Consoles, like VanB said, are optimized for games and DESIGNED for games. There would be no contest, the Xbox would perform way better."


Sure it can run. But not great at all. I had it run on a Celeron dual-core @ 2.5GHZ packed wit a onboard GF7100 and 2GB ram under windows xp. It ran. Not great but it worked.

Yet again it doesn't really matter...

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Quote: "Sure it can run. But not great at all. I had it run on a Celeron dual-core @ 2.5GHZ packed wit a onboard GF7100 and 2GB ram under windows xp. It ran. Not great but it worked.

Yet again it doesn't really matter...
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But an Xbox could run it on what is usually the best looking settings, at a constant 60fps.
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Quote: "Everyone has to eventually learn to respect other people's opinions."


Ahahah! That's a good one! Seriously, when's that gonna happen?

Quote: "But an Xbox could run it on what is usually the best looking settings, at a constant 60fps."


Not on my connection it doesn't.

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Quote: "Not on my connection it doesn't"


That's latency, not frames per second -_-
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Okay. The game doesn't look as great in xbox360.

XBOX360 is faster because it makes use of SIMD just as graphics processors take advantage of SIMD. If XBOX360 can run despite the graphics specs they seem to specify, I think its probably due to fast transfer of bytes from memory to graphics since the hardware were designed together. I do see they have a fast bandwidth in xbox360.
But I think with the recent improvements of compilers like GCC in GCC 4.5 which is almost as fast the Intel Compiler. These compilers now use SIMD effectively by vectorizing data. Both of which is too already way fast than Microsoft compilers. Id expect that the games in the PC starting this year to be faster and optimized than microsoft compiled games.

Did you know that you can make GBA, NintendoDS, GameCube, Wii homebrew games using GCC aside from XBOX360 games using XNA? And you can run the games you create on your PC. PC are a great tool of man.

But when it comes to gaming, I dont know. Should I care?

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Quote: "Ahahah! That's a good one! Seriously, when's that gonna happen?"


When the idiotic 12year olds turn to idiotic 15year olds, who then turn to a more reasonable 18year old. I have the unforutnate privilage of watching this cycle as my little brother is quite the giefer or at least he abuses the mic alot to a point where i acn hear " WHAT THE HELL! - COMON!?! - OHH MYY GODDDD! - WHAT A SPUNGE! - SERIOSLY? "

Guess what he plays?


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Modern Warfare 2? Games like that should only be played by the age it was designed for, or someone mature enough to handle the content.

Shouty children don't quite fall in to that description.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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Quote: "Modern Warfare 2? Games like that should only be played by the age it was designed for, or someone mature enough to handle the content.

Shouty children don't quite fall in to that description."


In my opinion, every gamer under the age of 13 should be sent to Modern Warfare 2 where they can all rip themselves apart and leave the rest of us sensible people to play proper games.
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Not until I've had a good play of it they can't.


I'd love to see things from your point of view but I can't get my head that far up my bum.
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When will that be? Once you've completed the first one?
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Quote: "Really? Build a $240 PC and play COD4 with the same graphic quality as the X360 and lagg free gameplay. I kno a $240 PC can run COD4. But will it run and look the same"


so true
BUT
you can also have msn, internet, music and a lot of other stuff going at the same time
and there is "game booster" and with game booster, i bet you can improve performence a bit more aswell

why i have PC is because i prefer most games on PC (i cant stand FPS on console for example, and using auto aim seems cheaty to mee) and i can keep contact with my friends WHILE PLAYING (IE, tab out to chat every now and then)


but no, a PC cannot compete with a console since, as said b4 it is made for games
a PC is made for games AND other stuff at the same time. therefore decreasing game performence, but enhancing speed for example.


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i had this sw33t gaming laptop a while ago that cost me $2500 (had an 8800m GTX 512mb in it. back then it was pretty much the top of the line and this stupid freshman said that i waisted my money on it and i should have got an xbox 360 for 600 instead and i was like dude?...... are you *****ing me? xbox is only good for playing games and nothing else... and its not portable... seriosly dude...

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Main reason I game on an Xbox 360 though is because my friends are actually more social on it. I like playing games on the PC because of obvious reasons, but social wise, never. If I spend $2,500 on a top-of-the line PC/Laptop I then have to find people who also have a top-of-the line PC. With consoles I don't have to worry about that since everyone has the same specs. Although when you do find good PC gamers it's a lot more fun then console gaming.

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Quote: "But an Xbox could run it on what is usually the best looking settings, at a constant 60fps. "

I hope you know that
1) Most TV's sync at 30 fps
2) A console never runs >30 fps, especially with COD-style graphics

And someone said that PC has additional costs like a keyboard, mouse, speakers and monitor. This is only partly true, ofcourse! A keyboard+mouse set (non-gaming, but hey, I game without problems with cordless) for max $10.
And you don't need a monitor for a PC, you can just as easily connect it to your TV! That's what you do with your 360, right? So why would you use a monitor for your PC? If you add the price of a TV to your 360 it suddenly isn't as cheap!
(I even forgot monthly subscription...)

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Indicium
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Quote: "Most TV's sync at 30 fps"


Ummm... Surely 60hz = 60fps?

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Metal Devil123
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When YouTube freezes.

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1) Most TV's sync at 30 fps
2) A console never runs >30 fps, especially with COD-style graphics"


No, as previously stated most TVs run at 60hz or around that, and that's basically 60fps. My Xbox has ALWAYS run CoD games on 60fps.
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Err... The TV is not the same as the console. Just because the TV screen updates ~60 times every second, does not mean the game does...

Thats like comparing a monitor to a computer.

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bitJericho
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I've played l4d on the xbox. It's not nearly as smooth, and the graphics are toned wayyy down. Looks much better on my PC.

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DJ Almix
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I have to say you all didn't exactly disprove a stereotype...

Your all fighting about the PC vs the console...

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Obviously, but most games will run the same FPS on Xbox as on a high-end computer.
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I don't game consoles because I, personally, dislike FPS games, the few generes that work well with consoles.

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Sasuke
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Just imagine for a sec:

The top of the range PC hardware optimized for games - which is so far above the consoles spec and even PCs games requirement, it ridicules.

An OS specifically designed to use that hardware only for games - just like a console.

And you'd have something with enough power to bend time. Seriously, if you look at console current tech (which is all custom very old PC hardware) and compare it to today's current highest tech which can do stuff 8-12 times more than consoles tech (though the power consumption is ridicules). A PC solely designed for gaming would be out of this world. Saying, the next generation of Console will be out of this world if this is what PC's are running now.

All this means, is very pretty games for all... which to me is a bad thing. Surely it would make sense to have less graphics and more functionality. For instance if Halo Reach looked like the original Halo, just imagine what all that unused power could be used for. It could be a physics dream land.

A dream is a fantasy, if you achieve that fantasy it was never a dream to begin with.
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