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Posted: 11th Nov 2010 18:09 Edited at: 11th Nov 2010 19:11
I am a Nintendo gamer, I have been all my life. All my friends have XBox 360s and Playstation 3s. So my question is, has the Wii had its day? I personally enjoy the games on it, but what do you think? Have Kinect and Move taken over or has that little remote still got alot in it?



P.S DO NOT DISCRIMINATE EACH OTHER ON THEIR CONSOLE CHOICE. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A FLAME WAR!

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Posted: 11th Nov 2010 18:59 Edited at: 11th Nov 2010 19:07
Quote: "Has the Wii had its day? "


To be honest I don't remember it ever having a "day". By this I mean, there was always some super hyped gamed for each console like Killzone for PS3, Halo for Xbox, or Crysis for the PC, but I never saw the Wii bask in the light of "revolutionary game being made".

I know these are just random examples, but there things that all people know across the spectrum, and the important thing is there not just ONE of the examples, there's plenty more games for the other consoles.

The only advantage it had was it's motion control, which yes I believe will die soon, but it's sad to because Nintendo didn't really think anything through it. A game dev would have a hell of time with the bad specs and limited market appeal (there were what like 6 M-Rated games for the Wii).

That's not to say you need horrific things to be a good game, but it's nice to have your console to appeal to all people. You also have to make up for it with something, and all I ever saw were mini-games this and mini-games that.

I don't know, it just seems like they should have caught up and had done a skimping thing, like while a person releases a game and says "don't pay attention to these obvious problems" and "just pay attention to this right here". I.e "don't pay attention to the bad graphics and spotty controls, just love it because it has the Nintendo brand on it!."

I really wish the Wii would have taken off, but no one was innovative enough to do anything, but copy old stuff or make "generic pastel colored" family mini-game compilations.

IT DID happen with Golden-eye, but that just seemed to be the needle in the coffin proving that the Wii isn't living up.

Also, this is flame bait, and I hope we DON'T START A FLAME WAR!

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Posted: 11th Nov 2010 19:14 Edited at: 11th Nov 2010 19:16




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Posted: 11th Nov 2010 21:44
Honestly, my only issue with the Wii is not the limited specs, but simply that I don't feel like Nintendo (or any other developer) fully utilized the Wii's potential.

I mean, this video really shows some of the amazing things that the Wii could be used for (skip to the 3:00 minute mark for the good stuff). Sadly, the best use I've seen for the remote so far has been "tilt the remote to steer" and "point the remote to aim". I feel like there was so much potential behind the Wii that didn't get utilized, regardless of its graphical performance.

That said, I think the Wii did have some really amazing games. The Mario Galaxy games, of course, are probably the best examples. But even as fun as those were, the motion controls seemed kind of "tacked on" - Those games really would not miss out a whole lot were they released on a "regular" console, with the starbit-shooting and shake-to-spin functionality removed.
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Posted: 11th Nov 2010 21:52
I agree with gbark. It doesn't feel like Nintendo fully utilized the Wii's potential. :\

I don't think Nintendo's going to die, but I do feel like they may be entering a darker period. Everybody's into XBox 360s and PS3s, maybe mostly because of the 1080p support they offer, and because of the vast variety of games they offer. Nintendo's more cartoonish than the others, which is sort of a bad thing...although games like Mario and Zelda are definitely some of the best in all video game history. No one can argue with that.

What do you guys think Nintendo will do for the "Wii 2 HD" or whatever its codename is? Do you think it will basically be the same console? I hope not.

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Posted: 11th Nov 2010 22:05
I feel like we need more developers to develop games for wii.

sure, mario is awesome! SSMB is awesome, zelda is awesome, but these are simply remakes of old games! we want fresh meat! and sure Red Steel is awesome, but i get the feeling, we mostly, get games from nintendo, in forms of mario. I want different games than that, hence why i bought my 360.


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Posted: 11th Nov 2010 23:03
Same here Quik. Although I don't mind the continuing stories of Zelda (although Mario is way worn out I will admit ), I too wish they'd come up with another new game entirely with different characters instead of recycling the old.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 01:24
There were some games which made good use of the Wiimote functionality. In "Okami" you paint symbols on the screen with the Wiimote which is just about the best thing you could possibly use it for. I also liked some aspects of the control scheme for some shooters: actually aiming onto the screen made you feel more immersed in the game.

But, yes, I agree that these examples are few and far between and that it's a real shame the Wii ended up being filled with party games and childish toys.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 01:26
Nintendo went from great to Wii. I was unhappy with the sheer amount of party and exercise games, I buy a console to buy games, not wave my arms around like an idiot.
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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 15:04 Edited at: 12th Nov 2010 15:05
The WII has survived, and will survive on the core foundation of it's market, which consists of people who don't own, or don't intend to own another console. See Nintendo have this strange, alien thing called market loyalty. DS owners have their gaze fixed on the 3DS, Wii owners are using the machine - not gazing at Konnect with their 'lad' in their hand as if it's the next big thing, if anything, Konnect is one up from a bloody web cam! Get over it!.

I own all the current consoles, PSP, DS, Wii, PS3, 360... they all have their place, and their market. The only consoles bickering are the PS3 and 360 - leave them to it, because your grandma doesn't care, she's got her DS and/or WII and her world is not rocked at all. That's what will keep Nintendo going, not the next big technological leap, but the core fact that a lot of people who don't play videogames, play Nintendo games regardless. I know more post-middle-aged women who play their DS every day, than I know PS3 owners, I have yet to even meet a Konnect owner. Reel that neck back in, Nintendo will be just fine.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 16:51
WHY did Microsoft have to buy RareWare?! They were the most awesome game making company on earth, and as soon as Microsoft got hold of it, they turned it into a huge steaming pile of ****. I'm sure they would have come up with something new for the wii, but they can't anymore...

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 17:01
I think Van B hit the nail on the head, or whatever u english speaking guys say ^^


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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 17:04
I think you mean "he nailed it"

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 17:13
that works aswell xD


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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 18:33
Quote: "I mean, this video really shows some of the amazing things that the Wii could be used fo"

wow

I really don't know whats going on with nintendo these days. Theres a million and one reasons why this thread SHOULD be a flame-war, (Here is reason 1,000,001)

I'll try not to speak too much on this, and just agree on what others have said. The technology was never used in any interesting way, and the PS3 and Xbox equivalent won't bother improving much, they'll just match it.

Shame

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 19:04 Edited at: 12th Nov 2010 19:06
Quote: "The WII has survived, and will survive on the core foundation of it's market, which consists of people who don't own, or don't intend to own another console. See Nintendo have this strange, alien thing called market loyalty. DS owners have their gaze fixed on the 3DS, Wii owners are using the machine - not gazing at Konnect with their 'lad' in their hand as if it's the next big thing, if anything, Konnect is one up from a bloody web cam! Get over it!.

I own all the current consoles, PSP, DS, Wii, PS3, 360... they all have their place, and their market. The only consoles bickering are the PS3 and 360 - leave them to it, because your grandma doesn't care, she's got her DS and/or WII and her world is not rocked at all. That's what will keep Nintendo going, not the next big technological leap, but the core fact that a lot of people who don't play videogames, play Nintendo games regardless. I know more post-middle-aged women who play their DS every day, than I know PS3 owners, I have yet to even meet a Konnect owner. Reel that neck back in, Nintendo will be just fine."


That's what attracts me to other consoles is the social factor. It's not a bad thing to own a Wii, but when you own a Wii, you own a Wii. I mean people attack each others consoles over specs and things like that, but I like the Wii, even if it's a Wii and, if all my friends would had bought it, so would I. I am attracted to the social thing, because it's such a huge factor of most consoles, except the Wii.

I never felt the Wii had that variety factor of social games true social games that didn't involve birthday style games. To me it always felt like "I own a Wii, therefore I play Super Smash Bros and Mario games." There good games, but I like all games and there creators from indie, to Valve, to Halo, and a good adventure game, just anything in general. Which is why the Wii didn't appeal to me, because it's collection was so small.

Quote: "I think Van B hit the nail on the head, or whatever u english speaking guys say ^^"


American's say that

Quote: "Main Entry: brand loyalty
Part of Speech: n
Definition: the tendency of consumers to continue buying a specific brand's product or service, despite the competition "


I don't like brand loyalty when it comes to the Wii, they never think out of the box. Nintendo, if they could pull it off, would have created some nice games. Unfortunately I feel like Nintendo and the Wii are to connected, in the sense that they prevent competition, thus no innovative games were made. Basically Nintendo had a chance, but just seems lazy and copies all of there old games and people who love Nintendo buy it regardless if it's good or not.

Quote: "(Here is reason 1,000,001)"




"Nice Cape." "It's furry poncho"

,but really?! What the heck is up with that commercial!

Quote: "and the PS3 and Xbox equivalent won't bother improving much"


Yep, it's true. I like my Xbox and the PS3 is good, but motion control as a whole is a gimmick. I at least think Kinect is ok, so is move, but the problem with all motion control gaming is this is who they direct it at:



and I love my family, but I just don't want to chop off zombies head's with my sister or head shot another person with my mom. Thus this leads to generic pastel colored family games, like "Sports" and "Wave your arms like dumba**". I would like both sides, but every company that has ever done motion control seems to think the best market plan is to keep it for them selves and not encourage 3rd party devs.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 19:06
At least the Wii won't spy on you!

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 19:25
Quote: "That's what attracts me to other consoles is the social factor. It's not a bad thing to own a Wii, but when you own a Wii, you own a Wii. I mean people attack each others consoles over specs and things like that, but I like the Wii, even if it's a Wii and, if all my friends would had bought it, so would I. I am attracted to the social thing, because it's such a huge factor of most consoles, except the Wii.
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I must disagree, the only reason why i would even bother paying for say Xbox 360 live is because i would want to play Halo online, or familiar, but.. playing online on the PC is both simpler and cheaper so.. i dont see why i would go through the trouble? The Social part is pretty much the SMALLEST part of a console.


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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 19:43
Quote: "The Social part is pretty much the SMALLEST part of a console."


How so?

Quote: "playing online on the PC is both simpler and cheaper so"


I know.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 22:04 Edited at: 12th Nov 2010 22:04
In my opinion the Wii is far from being dead!
I mean really awesome games like GoldenEye 007 and Metroid Other M have been released in the near past, COD Black Ops aswell. And there are some great games waiting to be released like the highly anticipated Donkey Kong Country Returns, Conduit 2 and the new Zelda in early 2011.
I don't understand people that criticize the amount of so called "party-games" on Wii. Maybe they just don't know the really good "hardcore titles" of which there are at least so many around that I can't afford to buy them all. And now that Sony and Microsoft jumped on the motion-control train 4 years after the big N (and in a very cheap fashion) those two consoles will be flooded with such "party-/social-games" too. There hasn't been that much variety on those platforms either, the best and most popular titles are all action shooters! From a game developers point of view I'd always go with innovation.
So I've bought the Wii right on its release date and didn't regret it ever since and I'm good about its future. I'll stick to Nintendo.

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Posted: 12th Nov 2010 23:55 Edited at: 12th Nov 2010 23:55
Quote: "I'll stick to Nintendo"

essentially, you're a fanboy. As we all know you can't have a reasonable debate with fanboys

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Hey come on, what's a fanboy? Everyone has a favorite, let me have mine. I think I've just explained my point.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 00:29 Edited at: 13th Nov 2010 00:34
Could you list 6 more non-effort games that make owning a Wii worthwhile?

Super Mario Galaxy
SMG 2
New Super Mario Bros
Super Smash Bros Brawl

Note that these games can be played with little//no shoulder movement, which is important for someone with no right shoulder movement at all. I'm not just being lazy, I literally can't play interactive games.
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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 00:36
Quote: "Hey come on, what's a fanboy? Everyone has a favorite, let me have mine. I think I've just explained my point."


Your a fanboy, it's ok, we can tell

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Quote: "Could you list 6 more non-effort games that make owning a Wii worthwhile?"


Metroid Prime Trilogy, The Conduit, GoldenEye, Metroid Other M, SSX Blur, PES, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Skate It.

Now the plot thickens, the fps decreases, and the awesomeness goes through the roof.
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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 02:51
It must be rather difficult to aim with only elbow movement, and sport games? I'll pass.

See, there are dozens of great games for the Gamecube and N64, and you don't need motion controllers (which, let's face it, is just the latest fad, like Minecraft)
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Quote: "Have Kinect and Move taken over or has that little remote still got alot in it?"


It's way too early to tell.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 03:18 Edited at: 13th Nov 2010 03:20
Quote: "It must be rather difficult to aim with only elbow movement"


Well, I usually rest my elbow on my hip when playing shooters and such so there isn't a lot of movement involved. Maybe you should try one first somewhere to see if it suits you.
The sports games I mentioned do not include much motion either (except Skate It maybe). PES and GoldenEye have the option to play with Classic Controllers or GameCube pads.

Quote: "It's way too early to tell."


Yes, way too early. It'll be interesting to see what new games will be released (especially for Kinect).

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Quote: "(which, let's face it, is just the latest fad, like Minecraft)"


and there comes minecraft...

honestly, I think it is a great step forward in technology


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eh? Fads generally don't last 4 years and get picked up by all the major consoles.

Just sayin'

Now Minecraft... it might be a fad, but man is it fun!

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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 17:33
Mine craft will pass on into the history of games soon, i got my bet on a year.

Motion gaming? That will always be advancing, up until its so realistic humans get confused what is reality.

Wow, that would be scary, thinking your in a game, and you think your playing GTA XXXIVII and you accidentally ,, hurt,,, someone lol.

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if you can feel direct pain (like it would be realistic) then you could actually die in the game, and i believe thats where it would stop and probably take a step back


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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 23:28 Edited at: 13th Nov 2010 23:30
I've been a nintendo gamer since my first console, an N64 my parents got of ebay for $60, or something like that. Everyone knows that nintendo has the best game series', like Mario, Zelda, Super Smash Bros, Metroid, etc.

But the thing that has held it back mostly is that it always has the worst graphics compared to competition. Gameplay is important, but when you look at games released on all 3 consoles like COD, play the way Wii version, and compare it to the PS3 and 360, it looks like crap.

The main reason that the Wii does better in sales (at least since the last time I checked, my brother used to look these things up all the time, but he hasn't in a while) is because it's cheaper than its competion. And since the Wii is a more kid oriented console, parents will buy the cheapest thing (especially with younger kids) for them.

Also, the Wii doesn't have any good first person shooters. Metroid is an exception, but it doesn't have a multiplayer mode, except in Metroid Prime 2 echoes, but it wasn't that great. Halo Reach is one of my favorite games ever. Co-op campaign, Firefight, Vs. Mode and Forge World are so fun and well designed, and at the same time have amazing graphics (I play it at my friends house). The Wii just doesn't have any games like that.

The thing that seperates the Wii from the competition is that is better for more casual gaming. Take Mario Kart for example. Most racing games are really serious and you have to know all the shortcuts and stuff to be good. But in Mario Kart, items and stuff balances it out so everyone can have fun. Same with Super Smash Bros. Most fighting games (Tekken, Soul Calibur) are also really serious and stuff, but again, items and other things balance out gameplay in Super Smash Bros.

The thing is, Nintendo has been type cast. Ever since the N64 (maybe since before that, I haven't played a whole lot of NES and SNES XD), their games have been all cartoony and meant for kids. They can't just start making their consoles have better graphics because they could lose their kid audience because of higher prices and probably wouldn't get the audience who have 360s and PS3s. Just my opinion.

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Posted: 13th Nov 2010 23:45
Quote: "But the thing that has held it back mostly is that it always has the worst graphics compared to competition"


N64 had the greatest graphics of its time, with Zelds: Majoras mask being the top of the graphics line.

I'd almost say that the super nintendo and those really old consoles also had the greatest graphics (with them pretty much ruling the console world by that time) however i dont know my facts in this area.


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The wii could have been a great console if they added the things we take for granted in the Xbox 360 and PS3, at least a decent sized harddrive and hd.

Headtracking would have been so cool.

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People saying Nintendo machines are aimed at kids annoys me greatly. I STILL hear people sound shocked there's a game with a bit of aggro in it as though the last 20 years never happened.
No. Nintendo machines are not 'for' kids, Lemmings are not suicidal. The Great Escape isn't on BBC1 every Easter.
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Quote: "People saying Nintendo is aimed at kids thing annoys me greatly. I STILL hear people sound shocked there's a game with a bit of aggro in it as though the last 20 years never happened.
No. Nintendo machines are not 'for' kids, Lemmings are not suicidal. The Great Escape isn't on BBC1 every Easter. "


It's not aimed at kids, but that was the main stereotype. Eventually in the end that's all it ever came out to be.

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Quote: "The Great Escape isn't on BBC1 every Easter."

I thought it was on every boxing day

The Wii wasn't aimed at children intentionally, but almost all the games were uninteresting to regular gamers.

(PS watch that jedward DS advert again then imagine this punchline at the end "Nintendo, we'll do anything to sell consoles... ANYTHING")

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Case in point







AND SO BEGINS WORLD WAR FIVE!

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Now the plot thickens, the fps decreases, and the awesomeness goes through the roof.
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But then your controls suck.


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All those are really bad games though, the kid ones were better, which is why every good game that was released was usually made by Nintendo, and was a kids game, thus leading to that stereotype

THEN, every game appealing to older gamers turned out to be awful.

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what pauli said =)


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There's always ResEvil4, that's an awesome game. Ohh, and Pikmin - it might appear to be a kiddie game, but I'd be damn surprised if a kid could get through that, thats one devious and addicting game.

Bottom line though is that the Wii is designed for family play, it just does those bright, arcadey games brilliantly. It's the only console that everyone can play, from grandmas to grandkids, it's gotton more post-natal woman back in shape than anything, ever, and kids with special needs can use it with less restrictions than other consoles. A friends son is down-syndrome, and when he gets annoyed at his family he threatens to kill their wiimee's . In a world where this little guy has very limited control over anything, he can take control of the Wii.

What is the biggest game on the forum right now, what game get's mentioned the most? - Minecraft... Not COD15,16,17, Halo Reach, or any next gen game for that matter. I think people are starting to realise just how shallow the graphics race is, and we should get back to gaming, whether your controlling a million polygons or just 100. What we are seeing these days is the 360 and PS3 struggling with graphics demands. Look at black ops on the PS3, damn that game get's jerky - especially with split screen mode. Is that what makes for good gameplay these days?, is that where our £40 is going?
If anything, I'd say the Wii might actually get some more growth, once people check their game collection and realise they bought the same game about a dozen times.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 18:30 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 18:40
Quote: "Bottom line though is that the Wii is designed for family play, it just does those bright, arcadey games brilliantly. It's the only console that everyone can play, from grandmas to grandkids, it's gotton more post-natal woman back in shape than anything, ever, and kids with special needs can use it with less restrictions than other consoles. A friends son is down-syndrome, and when he gets annoyed at his family he threatens to kill their wiimee's . In a world where this little guy has very limited control over anything, he can take control of the Wii."


Yes.

Quote: "What is the biggest game on the forum right now, what game get's mentioned the most? - Minecraft... Not COD15,16,17, Halo Reach, or any next gen game for that matter. I think people are starting to realise just how shallow the graphics race is, and we should get back to gaming, whether your controlling a million polygons or just 100. What we are seeing these days is the 360 and PS3 struggling with graphics demands. Look at black ops on the PS3, damn that game get's jerky - especially with split screen mode. Is that what makes for good gameplay these days?, is that where our £40 is going?
If anything, I'd say the Wii might actually get some more growth, once people check their game collection and realise they bought the same game about a dozen times."


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why own one when you can own all of them.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 19:10
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Wow, that looks great! Haven't heard about that.

Quote: "why own one when you can own all of them."


I don't really want to. I hate living rooms that are packed with too much electronic stuff and I don't want to spend so much money on gaming.

Now the plot thickens, the fps decreases, and the awesomeness goes through the roof.
DJ Almix
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 19:14 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 19:15
(PS3) $250 + (Xbox 360) $217 + (Wii) $149 = 616



I don't want to just throw away $600+ on gaming that just seems like to much.

Ocho Geek
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 19:32
I don't see why you'd want a PS3 AND an Xbox, if you were going for exclusive titles, go for the PS3

Theres only $33 dollars between the two ? its about £100 ($16) difference in the UK

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Indicium
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 21:16
Quote: " if you were going for exclusive titles, go for the PS3"


What?! Halo! :p

Quote: "Look at black ops on the PS3, damn that game get's jerky - especially with split screen mode."


On xbox 4player split screen I actually just stopped playing, the frame rate was so noticeably low.

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