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Geek Culture / LimeWire is finally dead!

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DJ Almix
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 06:14 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 20:06
Quote: "ATTENTION

LimeWire is under a court order dated October 26, 2010 to stop distributing the LimeWire software. A copy of the injunction can be found here. LimeWire LLC, its directors and officers, are taking all steps to comply with the injunction. We have very recently become aware of unauthorized applications on the internet purporting to use the LimeWire name. We demand that all persons using the LimeWire software, name, or trademark in order to upload or download copyrighted works in any manner cease and desist from doing so. We further remind you that the unauthorized uploading and downloading of copyrighted works is illegal.
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Thank god, finally people can maybe supporting artists for a change.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 06:55
It's just a bump on the road. The Jennie is well and truly out of the bottle now..

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 07:54 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 07:56
LimeWire is a bunch of crap, half of the stuff you download is a virus. I had to re-install my whole system once because it was infected with over 60000 viruses from limewire...

Quote: "Thank god, finally people can maybe supporting artists for a change."


Nah, pirating is the new trend these days, and it's an unstoppable force. Besides, the artists don't get what they deserve. They only get like 20% of the money, and the corporations get the rest. THEY should be the ones going to jail for ripping off innovative artists.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 07:59
Quote: "Nah, pirating is the new trend these days, and it's an unstoppable force. Besides, the artists don't get what they deserve. They only get like 20% of the money, and the corporations get the rest. THEY should be the ones going to jail for ripping off innovative artists.

TheComet"


Then again, most people who use LimeWire are not tech savvy and download crap music (not saying you do). I do agree though because every single person who owns a computer and an mp3 player has illegally downloaded music before. It is an unstoppable force and I doubt it will ever change, but LimeWire was not the best way to even get music. It was basically just a gateway to viruses.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 08:38
Good riddance, lost count of the number of times I've had to reinstall PC's for people because of that tripe.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 08:47
Finally, hopefully the Pirate Bay is next.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 09:13
theyve been tying to kill piratebay for a long time now. besides if piratebay dies (which i doubt is gonna happen in the next few years) other methods will pop up. smaller private torrent networks ftp servers stuff like that.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 09:26
dont know much about limewire, is it a service or a thing like utorrent? or WAS it probably better lol ^^


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 09:49
Quote: "They only get like 20% of the money, and the corporations get the rest. THEY should be the ones going to jail for ripping off innovative artists."


If it wasn't for those corporations then the artists would have gotten nothing because no one would have ever heard of them. Besides, the 80% that isn't going to the artists pays for a lot of people's wages! Its hard to say that's unfair. I'm sure there are a lot of people taking more than they should, but that shouldn't condemn the whole system.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:11
Quote: "dont know much about limewire, is it a service or a thing like utorrent? or WAS it probably better lol ^^
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limewire is kinda like Kazaa or napster

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:22
You won't stop pirating, but of course no reason to try and keep pirating down.

Though there's no reason to pirate music any more with stuff like Spotify and Grooveshark, free legal music.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:36 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 10:39
Quote: "Finally, hopefully the Pirate Bay is next."


I doubt that will happen, because The Pirate Bay is legal, since they only host files that point to the illegal files. The actual torrents are perfectly legal. And in Switzerland, it is legal to download any files you want, it's the uploading that is illegal here

Also, have you checked how many people are pirating on TPB? 24.492.760 Peers. There's no way you can shut it down... And even if you manage that, there are so many people pirating out there on other websites... Just as said before:

Quote: "it's an unstoppable force"


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:39 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 10:41
Quote: "free legal music."


then isnt that the same as pirating....?


i fully agree with this:
Quote: "They only get like 20% of the money, and the corporations get the rest. THEY should be the ones going to jail for ripping off innovative artists"


luckily, the new bands (indie bands) have started to understand that, what a musician gets money from, isnt the cd records, but live shows, and thats more or less likely what it will be in the future, more money from live, less from records. Records will probably be released free in the future while live shows will be more often and possibly a bit more expensive aswell, Companies must learn to adjust to the "people of today", they cant keep trying to grip the past, they must grip the future.

oh and a side note, it is usually less than 20% and sometimes less than 10.


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:43
Quote: "luckily, the new bands (indie bands) have started to understand that, what a musician gets money from, isnt the cd records, but live shows, and thats more or less likely what it will be in the future, more money from live, less from records. Records will probably be released free in the future while live shows will be more often and possibly a bit more expensive aswell, Companies must learn to adjust to the "people of today", they cant keep trying to grip the past, they must grip the future."


And I love watching live bands, and I happily pay for them, because all of the money goes to the artists I think this is going to be the future too... The corporations have to face it, sooner or later they won't be able to get any more money out of records...

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:46
Quote: "I doubt that will happen, because The Pirate Bay is legal"
They haven't tried to shut it down because they cannot locate where the site is coming from. People will just start using frostwire instead.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:48
Quote: "They haven't tried to shut it down because they cannot locate where the site is coming from"


thats weird sicne they have been sued over and over and lost the case over and over >__>


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 10:50
Quote: "They haven't tried to shut it down because they cannot locate where the site is coming from."


They know exactly where it is located. But they can't shut it down, because they aren't breaking any laws.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 11:59
Limewire is just the first option because people who know nothing about computers will get to that program first.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 14:18
Quote: "then isnt that the same as pirating....?"


Nope. Free illegal music would be the same as pirating.

It's free for the end-user, it's not free for the advertisement companies. Unless of course the user wishes to pay a monthly fee to remove ads. Grooveshark places ads on their web page to fund the music and Spotify places audio ads for every certain number of songs played. The artists still get their money and it's legal.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 15:07 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 15:11
Nah, it would be the same as theft. Piracy is the distribution of material without permission. If you are downloading MP3's without paying for them, then it's theft - uploading MP3's without permission is piracy.

The law is too irregular, vague, and in some cases rediculously cruel. Surely it's up to the record companies to sort out, to deal with electronic music in a financially viable way. They can't even enforce the basic copyright law in every country, not even over Europe. Frankly, I would still buy a CD over any electronic method. I mean, a CD is a CD, and sometimes the inlay is cool (like with Pearl Jam albums) - but the main thing is that it's a physical object that I can assign a value to, and it's then up to me to make MP3's from it, with full legality and a sense of confidence that I'm not breaking the law. Napster didn't change the music industry for the better - when was they last time anyone went out shopping for music?, jees, I used to sit on a train for 2 hours just to go to the best record stores. It was part of the fun to go rummaging, and find a rare LP that you might not even know existed - does nobody appreciate how cool it was to find something brand new by your favorite band!. It was a social thing more than anything else though. These days I'm almost ashamed to get my CD's out, they're in boxes in the attic - I don't even own a hi fi anymore. The only thing Napster did for music lovers, is it took away any sort of collectability. I mean, why would anyone bother hunting out albums, bootlegs, singles of their favorite bands, when they can just download a torrent.

Now, we're in the position where seeing a band live costs an absolute bomb, going to festivals costs a bomb. All for the sake of having 20 times as many songs, NOT to listen to .

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Quote: "when was they last time anyone went out shopping for music"


last friday actually, hunting a music CD for my dad, BUT THEN THE SHOP HAD TAKEN AWAY THE CD PLACE, and it was probably the only store in my town (skellefteå) they sell CDs in >__>

but i see your point!


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 15:51
Quote: " If you are downloading MP3's without paying for them, then it's theft"


No, that's piracy.

There's a very interesting article HERE that discusses artificial limitation of digital media now and in the future.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 16:10
VanB is right you know


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 16:16
Quote: "If you are downloading MP3's without paying for them, then it's theft"


still piracy


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 16:18
i also go shopping for music since most of the good soviet rock/metal from the 80s isnt found in torrents and frankly rock music is not very popular in russia any more. Also music CDs are very cheap here and everyone can afford it and you dont have to wait for the download to finish

Quote: "luckily, the new bands (indie bands) have started to understand that, what a musician gets money from, isnt the cd records, but live shows, and thats more or less likely what it will be in the future, more money from live, less from records. Records will probably be released free in the future while live shows will be more often and possibly a bit more expensive aswell, Companies must learn to adjust to the "people of today", they cant keep trying to grip the past, they must grip the future."


I love going to live shows because really not even the most expensive studio equipment or the best headphones can recreate the awesome sound of live music. Now concert tickets are expensive. Because i spend all my moneys on computery stuffs, i can only afford to go to clubs where the non famous local bands perform. but even that is more expensive than the CDs but its worth it. like i heard some MP3 songs, i didnt really like them, but once ive been to a live concert and heard live versions, i fell in love with those songs. even tho the MP3s sound terrible

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 16:22 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 16:22
lucky me then, i guess xD we have a thing called "trästock festivalen" or "trästocks" (woodstock festival i english) where we "celebrate the live music" thus, it is free entrance, only food and such costs, and there is a few great band each year^^ this year Sonic syndicate were there for example! ^^

edit: it is once a year, forgot to include that in the beginning lol^^


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 17:25 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 17:25
The Idea of downloading music for free now a days is very poor Limewire spread Virus on a masive scale, I am glad its gone maybe now people can realise that they can stream music for free either via youtube or spotify or any other legit and completly free music sources.


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 17:47
Quote: "can stream music for free either via youtube"


but it isnt always legal through youtube either, hence why some tracks get removed from time to time.


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Quote: "but it isnt always legal through youtube either, hence why some tracks get removed from time to time."


Its absoloutly (sorry english) leagel for the user watching the videos, most music corperations do have a special agreements for using music on this ever-growing monster called youtube, only band i have noticed is really copyrighted is kiss:/

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sony and other big corporate ... people things are blocking a lot of youtube music in russia. its like all oh no this stuff is owned by sony or some people and is blocked in your country. really annoying

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 18:35 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 18:37
I think we are spoiled now. Remember back in the ol' dem' days when all we had was CD's/Tapes and a Walkman? Those were the days when you cherished each song and kept listening to the same stuff over and over again, but you still liked it, and sure it was only like 12 songs to each CD.

Now a' days, it's so easy to pirate music if you have a computer, you might as well be in jail from a legal standpoint. It's so easy to just download any song, ever made for free, and it makes me wonder how music is even still alive and being sold.

Then when you go home, even if you do get a song for free you don't want it, it's just another song in your library of 2k+ .mp3's for you to skip on shuffle.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 18:36
Quote: "Quote: " If you are downloading MP3's without paying for them, then it's theft"

No, that's piracy.

There's a very interesting article HERE that discusses artificial limitation of digital media now and in the future."


it's both. not many people don't realize that when you get into serious trouble you're not in trouble for one crime. you are most likely be charged for mutliple crimes. like illegal downloading mp3s. you will be charged with theft, pirating,breaking copyright laws, and probably a lot of rediculously things. they'll pretty much throw the whole book at you(not literally). like drinking and driving when you get caught especially if you hit a minor with it. a local man here was once charged with at least 5 different crimes for that. the child was still alive. slight injuries. he tried to fight back by counter suing the child for being unsupervised and without a helmet.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 19:09
by the way, interesting fact, most youngsters these days does illegal acts everyday, in forms of sending songs through msn, yahoo or skype, isnt this illegal aswell? and still most childrens these days does it, and doesnt even know theyre sharing files, illegaly


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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 19:32 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 20:06
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 19:36
Quote: "I think we are spoiled now. Remember back in the ol' dem' days when all we had was CD's/Tapes and a Walkman? Those were the days when you cherished each song and kept listening to the same stuff over and over again, but you still liked it, and sure it was only like 12 songs to each CD."


And those were the days where these bloody corporations ripped the artists off the most Admit it, the old model is dead. And the people that stick with it are dying.

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i grew up pretty poor, i didnt have a walkman like everyone else. by the time i got a walkman, people already carried CD players so everyone made fun of me for my stupid brick of a walkman. then when i finally did get a crappy cheapest CD player from CVS, people carried these awesome antishock CD players with cache memory. the bumpy bus rides sucked for me. I also didnt have a computer back then so i had to ask my friends to burn me some music which nobody did of course, i did however get several CDs for birthdays and stuff. then ipods started coming on. and iwas still with my anciant CD player with no shock resistance but at least i now had a computer and some friends who gave me burned CDs. i hadmy CD player till sophomore in highschool, then i got a job at mcdonalds and started buying all the cool top of the line gadgets i could afford.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 21:03
I think I read somewhere that Itunes is technically illegal... I can't remember how though. Something to do with distributing music in a different format maybe.

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Quote: "I think I read somewhere that Itunes is technically illegal... I can't remember how though. Something to do with distributing music in a different format maybe.
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Probably legality issues regarding DRM

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 21:42
There's so much twisted untrue information in this thread.

Quote: "I think I read somewhere that Itunes is technically illegal... I can't remember how though. Something to do with distributing music in a different format maybe."


Um, no. Apple has contracts with the companies who control the rights to the music, so they are in fact very legal.


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Quote: "I mean, why would anyone bother hunting out albums, bootlegs, singles of their favorite bands, when they can just download a torrent."


When it comes to my favorite bands, it's still absolutely worth it for the shiny CD. I have never bought digital download. Most of my music comes from CD's I've bought or borrowed from friends. I guess the latter is still technically illegal but...I've only partially understood why that's illegal. I understand the logic of why it's illegal but...cmon...

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 22:37 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 22:43
I still buy CDs and love doing so - I think it's awesome to have them, but I think the because an issues with having a lot of variety and a big taste in music, it'd very very expensive to buy all of the CD's (and still pay for live shows too), whilst many use that as a defense for acquiring illegal copies, but before stuff like Spotify I went without, or listened to samples or watched their videos (or listened to Last.fm). But services like Grooveshark and Spotify provides you music for free or via subscription and it has lead me to buy albums I've enjoyed. EG. I got into Sigur Ros because of Spotify, now I have one of their albums and listen to that instead of hearing it on Spotify.

I'd agree it's no replacement for 'owning' the CD. As far as I understand, it's up to the record companies to distribute the music of their artists and offer them a fair percentage of sales. My assumption (and you're welcome to correct it) and to me it's the logical answer, it is that bands would get money based on how many people use the services to listen to their music, I assume it'd be similar to PPL licensing or similar radio licenses. The money can be based off of advertising, like with commercial radio. Some Student Radio, like ours, was paid for by the Students' Union, and as far BBC radio, I assume they take a chunk our of the TV license most Brits pay for. I'd probably equate it closer to that than to that of music piracy.

I don't think there's an issue with ethics, so long as contracts are being fulfilled (thus no laws broken), no agreements broken, the fans are happy and the record companies pay their artists for their hard work.

Services like Spotify hold agreements with record labels and record labels hold agreements with artists. It's one reason why Spotify is not able to have an agreement with every record label, nor every artists nor every album. E.G. There's a lot of Iced Earth albums I can't find on Spotify, I can listen to their newer stuff, but not their older stuff, on Grooveshark, it's actually the opposite, loads of old stuff, but not much of the new stuff. I would assume they were produced by different record labels and they have different agreements.

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I feel sorry for corporations. They take talented people with no hope of succeeding on their own, make them rich and famous or at least successful, give them the boost they need to get into the business and deal with every aspect of publicity/production that the artists cannot do themeselved, and in exchange ask for a cut of their profits, then people then claim that they're greedy. I'm glad we're not living in a world where artists have to do everything on their own, music would be crap.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 22:55
Quote: "I feel sorry for corporations. They take talented people with no hope of succeeding on their own, make them rich and famous or at least successful, give them the boost they need to get into the business and deal with every aspect of publicity/production that the artists cannot do themeselved, and in exchange ask for a cut of their profits, then people then claim that they're greedy. I'm glad we're not living in a world where artists have to do everything on their own, music would be crap."


And THAT's exactly what corporations want you to think... Sure, they make the artists rich, but the point is they don't care squat about the artists, and they take more than 80% of their incomes. It should be the other way around.

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Quote: "And THAT's exactly what corporations want you to think... Sure, they make the artists rich, but the point is they don't care squat about the artists, and they take more than 80% of their incomes. It should be the other way around."


So how come the artists keep with the specific publishers? I know, some get screwed, and it used to be really bad back in the day. But be serious, this is the internet age, these artists can do it anyway they want and yet they still use the major corporate labels.

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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 23:11
Quote: "... and they take more than 80% of their incomes ..."


Which I think that right there is the biggest argument AGAINST piracy.

A lot of pirates try to justify it by claiming that they don't want to support the greedy corporate attitude... They have this "stick it to the man" kind of attitude.

Well, what they don't realize is them pirating is not hurting the corporations like they think - Their pirating is hurting the artists more than anybody. If millions of copies of an album are pirated, and the album only sold mediocre amounts, guess what: The corporation already got their 80% share from the few who did buy the album, and due to the low sales of the album (thanks to the high piracy rates), the corporation simply won't back that artist as much in the future.
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Posted: 15th Nov 2010 23:27 Edited at: 15th Nov 2010 23:29
I think in fairness and yes, I am saying this as person wanting to be successful as a writer. A corporation is made up of many employees and they have to spend a certain amount of money not just on record distribution but promotion, PR, events (and staffing at said events), production and other costs. The work that goes behind an artist isn't just the hard work of the artists themselves, but a lot of other work that goes on behind the scenes too. You expect people to get paid. A successful artist obviously draws in a lot more money, hence the artist is filthy stinking rich and the same for the corporations.

Though, that's not to say that some don't try and milk the industry or milk artists (or even screw them over). I think it's one reason why we get commercialised music; Simon Cowell isn't an expert in music, he's an expert businessman. He's got a fantastic business model that makes him rich and people who work for him rich too. Of course, many who argue music ought to be about the music, they're probably not going to be listening to Jedward any time soon nor would they expect the bands they do like to have a great financial success, unless of course, they become popular through merit and not marketing (or at least, not to rely on marketing). As a writer who's about the writing, I'm not going to hit the kitsch markets or follow trends. I'm not going to be out for a great financial gain nor will I expect it. I'd like to be successful for readership. Writing is one industry where you might think of it being merit over market, but that's not true either.

Whilst you may argue (and I may agree) that talent and hard work deserve to be rewarded with money and success, but that's not how markets work, unless of course 'talent' and 'hard work' is big in the market.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 02:52
Quote: "it's both. not many people don't realize that when you get into serious trouble you're not in trouble for one crime. you are most likely be charged for mutliple crimes. like illegal downloading mp3s. you will be charged with theft, pirating,breaking copyright laws, and probably a lot of rediculously things. they'll pretty much throw the whole book at you(not literally). like drinking and driving when you get caught especially if you hit a minor with it. a local man here was once charged with at least 5 different crimes for that. the child was still alive. slight injuries. he tried to fight back by counter suing the child for being unsupervised and without a helmet."


Pirating is breaking copyright laws, so you can't be charged with the same thing twice, and theft is taking something from someone without their consent and depriving them of its use, which copying an item isn't. It's not that hard to understand the difference.

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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 07:15
Please LOCK this Thread!


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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 07:28
@DJ Almix - Quit requesting to have all your threads locked. The mods will lock your threads if they violate the rules or if they're plain silly.


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Posted: 16th Nov 2010 08:07
Quote: "@DJ Almix - Quit requesting to have all your threads locked. The mods will lock your threads if they violate the rules or if they're plain silly."


Noted, I just thought this was a "stupid thread" (I didn't want to sound like a smart-ass saying that), it just seemed to be going nowhere.


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