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PAGAN_old
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today morning i recieved a an order to show up for the medical inspection to get drafted into the army. Now russian army is known for terrible conditions and horrible abuse of the rookies there. There is a shortage in the army currently since anyone who can tries to avoid getting drafted. so even people who are legally not fit for the army are still enlisted. Knowing me and my weak physical condition, i proboly wont survive the training. There is a good chance that that i would leave the army dead or handicapped I know many people in the service that are ok but they were tough enough in the beginning to get trought it, i am not so sure if i will be able to survive the training or beatings. my only chance to get out is the fact that i am taking care of my blind grandmother who pretty much has no ability to take care of herself since she is blind. aaltho i am not her legal guardian so this might or might not pull trough. I had plans to legalize this thing so the army cant take me but it requies tons of paperwork and the process takes over a year with our beurocracy here. so i just gave up and for 2 years i thought the army offices didnt have me on their list as they believed that i still lived in US, obviosly someone talked or something happened that confirmed my presence in moscow. so i am thinking what i can do right now. For one i can go back to US and stay there till 27 but there is nothing for me there, i have no place to live at or anything. also i really cant leave my grandma alone despite of how much we hate each other. i was thinking of renting a room in a private household for cheap and live there where noone will bother to look for me since i am not registered there. so all morning i was pretty much thinking of ways i can avoid the army because i seriosly dont want to go. Well if i get lucky they will keep me stationed in moscow instead of sending me off to somewhere. In moscow there tent to be less of the horrible condions and obuse since its the capital and all.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 11:27
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Well, I just want to let you know that you are welcome to stay over here with me in Switzerland if you don't have any other choices

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 11:29 Edited at: 19th Nov 2010 11:29
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Man if it was me I go into the army, but you having a grandma and all thats a tuff one. I thought your country gave free care takers for the elder?

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 11:29 Edited at: 19th Nov 2010 11:30
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Pagan, I'd help you out if you decide to come out to the states.

@slayer, the russian army? There's no way that could be any good

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 11:40
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this does suck a lot. my optons right now are pretty much any post soviet country, china, mongolia, US, canada, mexico altho the only real chance of somehow making a living (permission to work)is russia and US. its gonna be much harder in US and i will have to stay there for 6 more years to avoid getting drafted. but then again there is a good chance the army wont take me as i am taking care of my grandma and on top of that maybe... just maybe all those years of constant energy drinks and junk food payed off after all

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 12:11
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Yah if your out of shape and cant pass a physical then they prob wont take you in.

Quote: "@slayer, the russian army? There's no way that could be any good"


yah they do get away with allot more then the US when it comes to beating the solders. but if all fails then just tell them your a "gay" they'll kick you out faster then to flips of a jack rabbits tail!

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I don't see Switzerland anywhere there... From my expirience, it is really easy to make a living in a rich country like Switzerland.

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the current shortage in the army forces them to overlook physical conditions and if you are gay or not, they take people with all kinds of condiotions. Even my bad eyesight (-4) cant save me you have to have at least -6 to get rejected

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 12:43 Edited at: 19th Nov 2010 12:44
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wow to be honest just start working out and exercise so that you wont be one of the weakest links in the group and if all fails you wont have to go through to much pain.

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Australia is a pontential location, pretty underpopulated and ecomics are good, but we're having immigration issues, all the boats from Indonesia. But I guess you can't really leave your grandmother.

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 14:24 Edited at: 19th Nov 2010 14:26
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exersize wont save me now. and its not just that, its my physique i am smaller than the average person. Also I am from moscow and if i happen to be sent somewhere far, pretty much everyone all over the country hates the capital because its so fithy rich. and as you know hate fuels violence. and god forbid i say anything about living in US, people are gonna hate me even more. one of the things that sargents do if they have beef with one of the rookies or something, they will make everyones life hell and blame it on the rookie they have beef with so everyone turns against you. Very little of the lawlesness that goes on in the army gets out but enough gets out to realise that its by far worse than jail. apart from the time i only have to serve 1 year. In jails the food is better, the violence is controlled. just one of the things i heard of whats going on in the army is the sargent would send you to get some vodka for him and its generally not a good idea to return to him without vodka and the soldier has no money so what is he expected to do to get that vodka? I also heard of the rather high suicide rate in the army and some of the recent stuff i heard on the news sometimes involve soldiers raiding the armory and escaping usually killing several people on the way. There was an entire city in lockdown because one rookie raided the armory stole a truckand killed a few soldiers on the way, he had some AKs with tons of ammo and a bunch of grenades

edit id love to go to australia but yeah immigration issues. my cousin is in australia now, he recently got a permission to work he goes to colledge there

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Damn!

What I like the most from Russia is that when you see something on tv here in the US about some Russia guy stilling from a store or just braking the law the cops beat the hell out of them, everyone seams to know how to just kick some A$4 in that country! The last thing I would want to do is get in a bar fight in Russia! hahahaha

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Posted: 19th Nov 2010 15:45
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Quote: "Even my bad eyesight (-4) cant save me you have to have at least -6 to get rejected"


well if they give you an eye test before you are admitted then you could just act like your vision sucks?

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ive been freaking out all day yesturday eventually i got drunk and and slept all day. With my head a little more clear i started doing research about how i can avoid the army and formed varios plans of evasion. and really i am beginning to think that serving might not really be that bad compared to the 90s and early 2000s. It proboly still sucks but it all depends what kind of commander youll get. If he is a decent person, he wont become mad with power and make you do stupid humiliating things. but concentrate more on the actual army training stype stuff and really that cant be that bad. If the commander is some dumb powerhungry redneck i dont even want to know what to expect. a load of beatings, humiliation and hard workouts beyond the limit of your body. reminds me of this article i read about the soldiers taking a training course of running with gas masks. exept they made them run like crazy and eventually one of them couldnt take it puked in the gasmask and suffocated to death. there is another guy who was ran over with a tank but thats a different story

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@PAGAN

Isn't being drafted into the Army the same thing as leaving your grandmother and moving to the USA? If you're in the army, you can't look after her, so what is stopping you from going to the USA and saving yourself a ton of grief and possible death?

I'm telling you, move to the USA, live your life and as harsh as it sounds, your grandmother has had hers, its time for your turn.

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@Pagan

I understand your situation, when im 18 the danish government will try draft me into the army. Luckily I have an escace allready planned. Though i suggest giving Denmark a look. Were basically socialist so it wont be hard to make a living. There are lots of people who live off of benefits in our country. Were basically a massive middle class, garbage collectors live the same sort of life as a doctor would. Im not sure how easy it would be to get into the country, but if you do consider it, act quick as in the upcoming elections, many of the parties want to enforce stupdily strict immigration laws.


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Quote: "@PAGAN

Isn't being drafted into the Army the same thing as leaving your grandmother and moving to the USA? If you're in the army, you can't look after her, so what is stopping you from going to the USA and saving yourself a ton of grief and possible death?

I'm telling you, move to the USA, live your life and as harsh as it sounds, your grandmother has had hers, its time for your turn."

Read it, reread it, reread it.

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You could even try England. Theres a ton of places to go. Any European country would also work.

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yeah, all the european countries ill need a visa and imigration stuff, while china and former ussr (exept for georgia) you dont need a visa to cross the boarder and us/canada mexico/ also a no visa policy. Denmark does look really awesome tho. may be hard to get into tho, and ill have like an illegal immigrant status

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what if u just break your leg before the physical?
If you dont seriously break it, you may be able to get all the paperwork done for a visa before it is healed. But usa looks like a good idea then.

What if TGC hired you?
You then could get an easy visa into England (because i believe it is easy if it is for businesses).
Then i assume they can sack you and you can get benefits until you get sorted out. (i dunno how long it takes though to be an English citizen first though)

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moving elsewhere is a last resort, the thing is in the last 2 years i set up a pretty nice life here in moscow, and i would hate to throw it all away and start from scratch back in US or another country. I actually really like it it here. and the draft age is from 18 to 27 so i still have 6 more years. I can of course hide for 6 years. but i might not be able to get a job at TGC, i doubt they will hire me i am not that great at stuff

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I know it's easy for all of us here to sit and type words of advice to a fellow forum member that we've really never met, but I'm going to give my 2cents worth anyway

The reason your life sucks is because you see it as so. Stop seeing your life as being bad and start making a physical list of all the good things in your life no matter how small. Then concentrate on those things each and everyday. Give it some time and you should start to notice a difference. Reference? Personal experience

Also if you really dislike your grandma so much then I'd say do as SpyDaniel said!

Whatever you decide just remember that your life doesn't suck unless you choose it does.

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well my life was actually really great before i got this notice. the only possible good scenario i see is either manage to legally avoid the army on the grounds of i have to take care of my grandmother who needs superviosion.

i can hide from the army which will make it very hard for me to get a decent job or to get a job at all since they can track me to the job and catch me and force me to sign it or fool me into signing it (they are very enthusiastic about making me sign that paper).
so once i am 27, any place i will go to work will question me on what i have been doing for the past 6 years and proboly deny me any job. so over all this can really screw up my life.

Moving out and starting from scratch can also screw up my life as i have no colledge education just a tech school diploma and a general computer IT professional certificate. and after 27 i will have to go back and set up in russia again, (i really want to live in russia) so really this would also screw up my life.

serving in the army. if i am unlucky with where i end up, i may be horribly beaten and end up with a serious injury, maybe scars (those are cool i guess) or even handicapped even an amputee (and yes there are quite a few amputees that came out of the army), a crushed personality and a cool army tatoo. so that will also screw up my life.

if i am lucky with where i get to serve i will come back as a pumped up badass, maybe with scars and a few minor injuries, a cool army tatoo and a crushed personality. that wont really screw up my life that much. so i am kinda in a loose-loose situation and to at least get a chance of not having my life very screwed up. i will just have to take chance with the army and like they say prepare for the worst hope for the best. at least then i will be free a year later and dont have to hide or anything

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Where are your mom and dad? Why don't you go to college?


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they died when i was 3. and colledge? i am just not smart enough and dont have much money for education, just have enough to live a decent life and i relly dont want to go to colledge. i dont even know what to do with my life. all i can do is repair computers.

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Aww I'm sorry. Do you have any Uncles or something? You can work at a computer repair shop. You can get loans from colleges and go there.


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relatives really dont want to help me i am kinda on my own right now. Loans for collages is one thing, i need to pass an enterance exam to get into a collage and the education in russia is tougher than in america ( i almost failed every year of highschool and just barely passed 12th grade on D-'s to get my diploma. I guess there is a way to get into a colledge for money. but i really wont last theyll kick me out. My friend who is actually better than me at stuff got kicked out of 4 collages which makes me wonder what are my chances.

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PAGAN mate, it sounds like at the moment you are really lost in what to do with your life!

You need to stop and re-evaluate your life! Write down your long term goals what you want to achieve in your life. Most people think that by writing goals it means you have to aim high and reach the stages of the likes such as Bill Gates! You are your own person and therefore you have absolute control over your life! What you choose you choose no one has the right to tell you otherwise.

Go to a mirror slap yourself in the face and then write out what you YOU want to achieve with your life, that's the only way you are going to get a clearer picture on what to do in this situation.

Don't take the following the wrong way I do not mean it in any way to offend you, or to sound condescending and I know it writing on forum like this is very impersonal and I'm not eloquent enough to convey emotions through words!

Stop sitting at the computer writing about how much your life sucks on a forum, sure we can help you and we don't mind offering advice but its for no point unless you take control and make the decisions that will affect your life the way you want it to! In other words stop whinging about how your life sucks and start taking the steps to stop it sucking

Good luck mate!


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well. i do actually have long term goals. My most recent addition to my long term goals is either find a way to once and for all get out of the army or suck it up and do it. i guess i am now leaning more to the suck it up and do it plan. ill have to deal with a lot more crap if i doge from the army.

my second long term goal is to get into a realestate business. its very promising and good money and while i am no professional, i know a few things about it and i am sure ill learn more once i start getting into it.

and finally. this is a really really long term goal. is to write a game. ive been working on it for a long time, altho i suck at coding so i dont have a lot of code done but i have tons of consept art and hundreds of pages written about charecters, the world, the history of the world, back story and everything. ive been working on this for 4 years.

i guess i was freaking out earlier because all my life i was told to fear the russian army, well just like all the other teenagers. Practically every parent is prepairing their kid to avoid the army at 18. by saving up bribe money and pushing them to exel at school so they get into the best universeties they can. Others who have the money send their kids away to schools outside of russia, just so they can avoid the army. so obviosly i freaked out when i got that paper and suddenly all the memories of these horror stories about the soldiers who died from all the abuse or were even left handicapped and amputees especially a guy like me was always a subject for bullying i was bullied in schools and even at summer camps and in the army i am definatley gonna get the most of the bullying and hazing. That day i got drunk and slept right trough the hangover. today i kindof thout it out did research on the internet, weiged my options, and decided that servin in the army is the best option in the long run, i really have nothing to loose.

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Just go to the USA or Europe,the goverment here for example in Slovenia is weak,nobody will force you to do any serving for the country. In fact,you even get help and home if you have nothing.


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i said it before. starting over from scratch in another country, yes possible but that will just ruin everything i worked for the last 2 years and in the long run it will ruin my life/ career advancement especially if i return back to russia(where i wanna live, i know its a really screwed up country but i still love it) ill have to start all over again from scratch not to mention have problems getting a decent job when my career history is empetey for the past 6 years or just me doing whatever in another country with no way to prrove my real qualification. not to mention face possible criminal charges for doging the army. this can make my life hard. or i can serve 1 year and if i get a decent division, ill make it out, no more hiding or limitations i can do anything i want. if i get the crappy divion which will beat me within an inch of my life, well in that case i really have nothing to loose, i can either run and if i am able to prrove that i was beaten/abused it does not count as deserting and i get fired from the army and all the proper documents to live on my life and no criminal charges. if i get out of the army as a handicap (which many do) i have some money, ill buy a gun track down the sargent and kill him. at that point i would not be loosing anything as noone wants to hire a handicap so my future would be ruined and this will only give me more respect in prison. if any person is pushed to the limit there is no telling what they are capable of. who knows maybe i snap one day and kill the sargent in his sleep or something or like some soldiers did raid the armory and go on a killing spree.

the point is, the way i see it now its a loose loose situation for me either way my life is gonna be screwed up and the only chance i have at life not being screwed up is just suck it up, serve a year and get it over with.

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Quote: "Moving out and starting from scratch can also screw up my life as i have no colledge education just a tech school diploma and a general computer IT professional certificate. and after 27 i will have to go back and set up in russia again, (i really want to live in russia) so really this would also screw up my life."


Well you could move out to the US to advance your education. Then it wouldn't be you starting over, it would be a new step in life. It's really not difficult at all. Just start with remedial courses to catch up. All it takes is a time commitment.

https://www.salliemae.com/international/non_us_students/

While you're taking remedials, you could think about a career. I'm taking a 2 year course in networking and computer repair, but you could take 4 year courses in computer science. Or do 2 year computer repair and then go for a 4 year computer science degree. You'll end up very deep in debt (10-20k USD for a 2 year course in my area, double that for a 4 year course), but if you take the time to do your homework, it can be very worthwhile. It generally takes about 5-10 hours a week for studying and 2-3 classes a day 5 days a week, and the rest of the time is yours to do what you will.

Go to a college that has dorms, and you can basically live off your student loans for the time you're in school, and you don't have to put anybody out by having to stay at their place.

If you're interested in schooling, pick a college and then contact their financial aid office for help.

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i decided to take my chances with the army. $20k debt and a computer science degree from "some random american school" wont really help me if i am gonna move back to russia. My plan here was to go trough some professional courses that cost $1000 bucks max and give you a recognisable certificate from a large company like adobe, microsoft etc. any company knows these certificates and anyone is ready to hire a person who has them since they are valued more than collage education. my friend took up these courses after he got kicked out of 4 schools, he is now in posession of a level one adobe certificate. He works as a freelance graphic designer/photographer but ever since he got this certificate, he began getting a lot of job requests including from large companies like BENQ and samsung. I am thinking of getting a Microsoft certificate. i also recently started getting interested in BSD OS. if i somehow manage to learn BSD and get a certificate, my life will be all set. And if not, ill try going into relestate industry. but first ill need to go trough a year of army service because the whole system here makes it hard for you if you dont serve in the army. its the easiest path, i see, i wont have any problems with the law, i dont have to abandon my place in russia for 6 years. so yeah ill have to play the russian roulette with the army.

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Rock on, hopefully you get lucky and won't be required to serve.

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me too

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If i was you id start practicing so you can at least get through it.

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Forgive me for being naive, but I'm sure it won't be as bad as what you're thinking it will be, if you decide to go that is.
Keep in mind I don't know anything about the Russian army, but I'm working on the principal that nothing is, usually as bad as you think.
From my own personal experiences (that has nothing to do with the Russian army I can assure you), I have usually found that running away from anything has never helped, I've either felt chased by it my entire life or it has finally caught up to me.
The way I see it, is you suck it up and get it over with or you run away and look behind your shoulder for the rest of your life, If you do get out of it with legit reasons then you just got lucky.
If it was me and I was in your position then I'd suck it up and serve but I'm in a different position to you as I feel confident enough to defend myself, physically and mentally. Maybe you can take a good point from this with the fact that when you come out of the army, you'll be confident enough to deal with any situation life will throw at you.
From your recent threads on this site it seems you really don't know which way life is going to take you, you're stuck with your nan and working a job that you don't seem to enjoy, maybe the army is the thing that will give you a kick up the arse to finally get you out of this rut.
I've suffered with depression for the past few years (but what feels like my whole life) and I can tell you that your way of thinking is a fast track to being stuck on medication. I ran away from a lot and did a lot of things I regret and it all caught up with me. I beat myself up about everything, thought the worst of everyone and it sent me down on a spiral and onto a path that I'm still barely recovering from.
It could be the best thing that ever happened to you, something that made you a better person. Or it could be a little bump in the road, a bad experience with another life lesson learned. Just don't ever regret not knowing which one it would be.

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Well thats what everyone syas here that army is a school of life, it makes a man out of a kid stuff like that. surprisingly serving in the army lost its prestige i long time ago and every year more and more people are trying to find ways out of the army which makes the the federal national defence committie change the laws to make it harder to escape from serving the army. before you didnt even have to serve if you go to collage, now it went up only to grad school. and next year i hear even that wont matter. they will have the power to pull you out of any school/collage to make you go serve. the problem is many people are also denied further education after they are done with the army service. Yeah its a scred up system but the secret to beating it is pressing hard on them, suing them if you have to and defending your constitutional right supreme court and you are definatley gonna get what you need because many of the people who sit in the high offices dont wanna loose their jobs. but yeah despite of all the bad things they say that was mostly in the 90s/ early 2000s it should be not as bad

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@ PAGAN

I know that this may sound horrible.

But my advice is that you should ignore the guys here in my country who are picking on you, they are really ignorant

They are the main reasons why we look so bad, in fact because of Mc Donalds we now have the view that every single person on our beaches is obese. Trust me your allowed to basically say,"screw you,you are ignorant" here. There may be a video of a cop acting like picking on a minority, but those types of people get sued immediately.Your accepted here no matter what; I think you can just sue anyone if they are too racist towards you or too prejudice.

I had a twenty three year old dutch friend of mine who just stayed at some guys house and became a high school church leader of my church. He made friends with everyone here and was really helpful. He convinced me not to do the weed that the kids in my school was giving me advice for and helped me feel accepted.

Just run to this country for safety, loan twenty thousand$, rent an apartment, and start a small business of repairing computers to raise you some money. You probably don't need a diploma in order to start a small business.

Remember:The Americans who pick on you are the ignorant ones.
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You would be welcome in America, come!

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Quote: "I know that this may sound horrible.

But my advice is that you should ignore the guys here in my country who are picking on you, they are really ignorant

They are the main reasons why we look so bad, in fact because of Mc Donalds we now have the view that every single person on our beaches is obese. Trust me your allowed to basically say,"screw you,you are ignorant" here. There may be a video of a cop acting like picking on a minority, but those types of people get sued immediately.Your accepted here no matter what; I think you can just sue anyone if they are too racist towards you or too prejudice.

I had a twenty three year old dutch friend of mine who just stayed at some guys house and became a high school church leader of my church. He made friends with everyone here and was really helpful. He convinced me not to do the weed that the kids in my school was giving me advice for and helped me feel accepted.

Just run to this country for safety, loan twenty thousand$, rent an apartment, and start a small business of repairing computers to raise you some money. You probably don't need a diploma in order to start a small business. "


Well there is mcdonalds in russia too, there are also fat people as well. actually in recent youers russia is slowly catching up to america on the fatness scale. and ignorant people are everywhere, it dosent matter what country it is, people are the same all over the place

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Quote: "the fatness scale."



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If you can avoid getting drafted, IMHO it's totally worth not going, especially if it could kill you. Call me cowardly if you want but I'd always avoid enlisting, with or without my hearing disability.
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ill try, but you know every year they are just making it harder to avoid. Every year they are short several hundred thousand men.

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Well I wish you the best of luck either way. I know if I were in your situation I'd be scared out of my wits.
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Quote: "Every year they are short several hundred thousand men."

Sorta made me laugh.
Cuz the way he worded it sorta sounds like every year, they are short(descriptive) men.


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Quote: "it dosent matter what country it is, people are the same all over the place"

Except on IanMs moon base, thats where the kool kids are!

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I did a bit of research and it seems like the violence problems in the army goes back to when conscription was 2 years and the 2nd years would bully the 1st years, they cut it to 1 year to solve this problem. Hopefully it has worked.

The army will open your eyes to the world, even if you really hate it, it might make you realise what you want to do with your life. It's often in bad situations when you find out what is REALLY important to you.


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cept for now its thefirst half years are bullied by 2nd half years who are bullied by sargents

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Quote: "cept for now its thefirst half years are bullied by 2nd half years who are bullied by sargents"

You're still dwelling on the negatives. There is a lot you can gain from this and I personally think that people are giving you the wrong advice by telling you to run away.
I'd walk in there with my head held high and cause hell for biggest nob I can find. Make an impression, if you get your head kicked in and you still stick around it shows you have a healthy ball pouch and aren't going to take stick from anyone. If you are getting hell from people then the worst thing you can do is run away, you'll gain a lot more respect from everyone and (more importantly) for yourself if you tough it out.
You have it in your signature, a line about learning from the bad things that happen in your life, follow your own advice!
Whatever happens though, noone in this place is going to respect you any less, we're just lowly forum dwellers after all, but we're all trying to get you to do what is ultimately going to be best for you.
Obviously don't take my advice of kicking someone in the teeth when you get there though. I'd do that because I'm an idiot, but you need to make a good impression at least.

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