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CoffeeGrunt
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I got bored at work today, no-one still knows we actually open on Sundays...

Anyways I began to wonder how stopping time would work. I guessed it could be done by stopping the movement of all particles except your own, (assume that's possible for discussion's sake)...

That's how most TV shows present time stopping, however, if you freeze all the atoms, etc in place, you're effectively setting the temperature to zero degrees Kelvin, or Absolute Zero. Wouldn't this mean you'd be frozen and killed instantly?

Because getting the power to stop time, then getting frozen to death for using it would really suck.

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I imagine if you have a 'time bubble' around you which makes you immune to all the other changes with air molecules in, they would maintain heat thus keeping you warm, but who knows...

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I don't know about the temperature, wouldn't it just stay the same? Anyway, if you would stop everything around you except for you, the air would be solid as rock, and you wouldn't be able to breath or move, and you would suffocate.

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Time is often seen as a force not a particle, its effects can be seen but it actually cant be recorded. Im on about the actual force of time, not a clock ticking since thats a representation/preception of time, if that makes any sense to you. So altering a 'time' with a equal or opposite force would in essence change the flow of time allowing you move freely back and forward through it. Most mainstream shows all contain a enclosure or machine which the user has to be in contact/inside to negate the tidal forces on there body.

Just spitballing.


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TheComet, you clearly have a flawed view of science, an object's "state" is determined by temperature, if it's a gas at one temperature, it will be a gas regardless :p Temperate is just movement in a nutshell, hot objects vibrate more than cold objects.

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good point. well if the air stops moving but you can still move air with your hands i guess you can snort/inhale air. then again there would also be a problem with your circulatory system thats gonna stop too

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If time is frozen, nothing can vibrate therefore no heat. You'll die. If I'm wrong then well, I suck at science(eh, I suck regardless).


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Yeah I guess i jumped the gun a little, but what does solid air actually look like?

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Nothing maybe?


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gas -> liquid -> solid

However the reverse is not always true in compounds.


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No energy = Solid, incase you're trying to hint it would become a liquid there laz :p

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but itd have to pass the liquid stage right?


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I can only guess that because stopping time, thus reducing temperature to 0k, would make the state change instant.

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Quote: "TheComet, you clearly have a flawed view of science, an object's "state" is determined by temperature, if it's a gas at one temperature, it will be a gas regardless :p Temperate is just movement in a nutshell, hot objects vibrate more than cold objects."


"Time" doesn't necessarily make objects cold. Sure, the molecules aren't moving, but that's viewed from a perspective where time is moving. Think about it : If I stopped time right now, you would just take a snapshot of what happened at that moment in time. And that moment is not moving through time, which means the molecules can't move if there is no time. Thus, there wouldn't be any more temperature. (Doesn't mean it's at 0 kelvin, it means there IS no temperature.)

If you however started time in a bubble around you, you would feel no difference in temperature.

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If there is no heat, it's absolute zero, fact...

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I guess were just trying to argue about something no-one here can comprehend.


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Stopping time means stopping all motion and energy of any type according to the theory of relativity. That is pretty much the most solid definition we have. It may not be very solid, but it gives the right idea. If you stop time, unless an outside force with time affects you, you will remain without time. Although it would be possible, theoretically, to come alive again, this is practically speaking, death.

Apply this to the Big Bang and what do you get?

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Quote: "If there is no heat, it's absolute zero, fact..."


Quote: "Stopping time means stopping all motion and energy of any type according to the theory of relativity."


Yes, but for there to be temperature, or any physical interactions, there has to be moving time. Which there isn't if you stop it.

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Time stops when you die and its too late to kill you

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If one thing Einstein taught us it that time is relative. Just because time relative to you has stopped, doesn't mean the substance doesn't have energy

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Stopping time wouldn't affect an object's temperature. Take any single moment in time. In that moment, time is stopped, but it doesn't mean that nothing is moving. (Velocity already takes into account time, so slowing/speeding up time has no effect on velocity at a given time)

IMO, the closest you can get to stopping time is slowing it down significantly. You would have to create some sort of bubble, where time is going fastest in the middle and slowest at the outside. That way you could still interact with the world.

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Fly a jet around the Earth at super sonic speeds a few hundred times and you would eventually go back in time.



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Quote: "Fly a jet around the Earth at super sonic speeds a few hundred times and you would eventually go back in time."
You wouldn't go back in time, just slow time down.


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Well I guess 3 things would happen. Time would slow down, you would go back in time relative to time used on Earth and you would also go to the present relative to time on Earth , depending on where your jet is in the Earth's atmosphere, maybe?

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Here's an interesting question. Would you be able to see anything? considering all those photons are paused in time. If your in a time bubble all the light particles inside the bubble would fly past in an instant. Then there would be no light. Just imagine all the other things, like gravity.

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So basically everyone is just arguing why this would be totally and irrefutably impossible? Either way you look at it, it's not going to happen any time soon, so whether you freeze to death, suffocate, or die from boredom because you cannot see anything, it doesn't matter because we won't find out in our lifetimes.

Just ignore me, though, and continue. This is an interesting topic to read.

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Okay, guys. I will stop time for you and see how it goes. You mortals are so bothersome..
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If you stopped time by freezing every atom and energy wave in place, no energy would be transferred from you to the air to make you cold, so temperature would not exist when the universe is static.

You could theoretically do it by freezing every atom and wave except those deemed to be moved by you. - That way when you walk through air, the air molecules are pushed out the way by you but do not move on their own.

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Quote: " it doesn't matter because we won't find out in our lifetimes."

you sir, have unmade my day.

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Quote: "it doesn't matter because we won't find out in our lifetimes."


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Quote: "Here's an interesting question. Would you be able to see anything? considering all those photons are paused in time. If your in a time bubble all the light particles inside the bubble would fly past in an instant. Then there would be no light. Just imagine all the other things, like gravity."

Woah, I think you just opened up an Einsteinian nightmare!

Photons travel at the speed of light - which means that, relative to them, time is stopped anyway? I don't know enough about this to answer your question, but the notion of how photons would behave if time were stopped needs some serious, mind-crippling physics applied to it before we can start talking about light existing if time were stopped.

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Photons appear travel at the speed of light regardless of your point of view (ie. they are about the only thing which is absolute, not relative)

If you started moving at half the speed of light, photons would still move away in all directions at the speed of light relative to you.

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Quote: "temperature would not exist when the universe is static."

That kinda would be true, but you would feal cold. As cold is the lack of heat, and you are therefore not gaining any heat.

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Quote: " if you would stop everything around you except for you, the air would be solid as rock, and you wouldn't be able to breath or move, and you would suffocate."


Not exactly. I only read the first few posts, skimmed the rest. So I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet or not, but technically a solid is just a very dense amount of particles moving very rapidly.

Theoretically, if you leaned against a wall for 10k years you'd eventually fall through it as the particles between you and the wall mesh together. I read that somewhere. I'd imagine it'd take longer, but I don't know.

If stopping time stopped the movement of particles then energy would basically cease to exist. No energy.....

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Unless you were in a vacuum, yes, it would.
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Quote: "Here's an interesting question. Would you be able to see anything? Considering all those photons are paused in time. If your in a time bubble all the light particles inside the bubble would fly past in an instant. Then there would be no light. Just imagine all the other things, like gravity."


Actually, thinking about this in calculus terms we could say that as you slow, down everything around you will speed up relatively. So, more photons will strike your eyes in the same amount of time.
As you slow to 0 the world around you speeds to infinity. Thus there would be an infinite amount of light striking your eyes every second of your time.
Although, for this to happen your time needs to be stopped which means you will never have a second and will never perceive a photon.

What I was saying earlier:
Quote: "Apply this to the Big Bang and what do you get?"


was that because Stephen W. Hawking says that there was no time before the Big Bang, there would be no time for time for time to come into existence.
It is like having something about to fall but then freezing it so that there is no time. If there is no time there is no motion. With no motion, the object would never come any closer to falling. Thus, it would never fall...or explode for that matter...

Because of this, we can actually eliminate the possibility of the world coming into existence.

Also, according to the laws of thermodynamics the universe could not have been in existence forever because it would have had a heat death an infinite number of times by now. (Having the universe infinitely large does not help with this)

So, in truth, we can conclude that the world couldn't exist unless some supernatural force intervened and caused the world to come into existence.

Do some math (what is the probability of 200 amino acids lining up exactly to a particular pattern?) and you'll find that the most probable thing is that this supernatural force is an intelligent being also known as a god.

Do some historical and philosophical research (see After The Flood and The Everlasting Man), and you will conclude that this god probably relieved himself to man and is probably honest and logical (More probability).

Do some statistical research and you should absolutely conclude that of all even possible "religions" the one based most firmly on the popular Christan Bible is the one that should be believed and followed.
Also this one is the most inviting.

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I've been thinking a lot about this (guess I was bored in French class), and it would seem to me that if you stop time, and put yourself into a time bubble where time moves, you would only see black. Because when you stop time, you also stop the movement of light, and therefore no light would be emitting from the surrounding area. You would be plunged into darkness.

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There are two major views on time theory, an A-series view and a B-series view. The first claims that once an event is passed, it no long exists. Likewise, future events do not yet exist.

A B-series view states that the past still exists and is merely behind us. The future may not necessarily exist yet, depending on the view. I'm not sure which it is, but I tend to at least think in a B-series sort of way.

According to an A-series view, if time stops, this isn't a problem.

According to a B-series view, this could cause problems.
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@deadtom, what?

Take your made-up science and go somewhere where it's welcome.

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Quote: "Actually, thinking about this in calculus terms we could say that as you slow, down everything around you will speed up relatively. So, more photons will strike your eyes in the same amount of time.
As you slow to 0 the world around you speeds to infinity. Thus there would be an infinite amount of light striking your eyes every second of your time.
Although, for this to happen your time needs to be stopped which means you will never have a second and will never perceive a photon."


Yes, this is quite true. Luckily we don't live in space where time is a lot faster in some places than others

*sips coffee*

Quote: "Do some statistical research and you should absolutely conclude that of all even possible "religions" the one based most firmly on the popular Christan Bible is the one that should be believed and followed.
Also this one is the most inviting."


*Spits out coffee at PC screen*

Whaaaat?!?

I mean...

WHAAAAAAAAAATT?!!??!??

Since when is the theory of the big bang and Christianity related in any way? That quote above has to be the third most ridiculous thing I've heard on this forum...

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Quote: "Do some statistical research and you should absolutely conclude that of all even possible "religions" the one based most firmly on the popular Christan Bible is the one that should be believed and followed.
Also this one is the most inviting."


I love this guy already, dance monkey DANCE! Amuse us some more with close to be troll science, religion bashing nonsense.

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Quote: "Actually, thinking about this in calculus terms we could say that as you slow, down everything around you will speed up relatively. So, more photons will strike your eyes in the same amount of time.
As you slow to 0 the world around you speeds to infinity. Thus there would be an infinite amount of light striking your eyes every second of your time.
Although, for this to happen your time needs to be stopped which means you will never have a second and will never perceive a photon."


I've never heard of everything speeding up when you slow down to 0. Einsteins theory merely describes what happens for two observers that are moving at a certain speed relative to each other (hence 'relativity theory').

Quote: "Do some statistical research and you should absolutely conclude that of all even possible "religions" the one based most firmly on the popular Christan Bible is the one that should be believed and followed.
Also this one is the most inviting."


Actually, you're leaving out the part that says: "We don't know everything." For me, believing in a God in this case would be on the same level as believing in infinity.
Time and space is merely what we 'observe'. The universe is obviously constructed of much more than we would ever be able to comprehend, and perhaps it's been like that forever (and even the concept of infinity/forever is something we made up ourselves).

To go back to the question if it would be possible to stop time:
Time is needed to move (even Quantum Teleportation isn't real 'teleportation'), so anything outside of your 'magical time bubble' would be impossible to move. You wouldn't be able to breathe air since it requires interaction with the outside world, you wouldn't be able to move since it requires pushing around air/matter. Surviving in that environment would be impossible.

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Quote: "I've never heard of everything speeding up when you slow down to 0."


Sounds logical... If you slow down the time in your little time-bubble, the world around you will appear to speed up.

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Haven't had tme to read over the whole thread, but:

Absolute zero is the point when movement stops, not time. If we were frozen, then time would stop for us, but that's merely because there would be no brain activity (I'm assuming this is like being in cryopreservation).

I think adjustment of time is very much a fictional phenomenon which people have tried to apply in real life. Nothing that we know of in the universe travels backwards through time, Time then is at best a semi-dimension.

There are of course ways of warping time in the half dimension left to us (forward direction). Travelling near the speed of light or travelling near an incredible heavy object (Black hole) will slow time (or is it speed up? depends on the perspective! )

In short, Absolute zero WILL NOT stop time, and the chances of doing anything other than warping it in the direction we're already travelling is probably impossible

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Just stop arguing and buy yourselves a DeLorean, people. Stopping time isn't where the fun is head, it's changing the course of time that's fun.

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After I finished pointing out that the big bang could not stand as it is, I started talking about things in terms of probability and what "theory" appears to be the most accurate.


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Quote: "was that because Stephen W. Hawking says that there was no time before the Big Bang, there would be no time for time for time to come into existence.
It is like having something about to fall but then freezing it so that there is no time. If there is no time there is no motion. With no motion, the object would never come any closer to falling. Thus, it would never fall...or explode for that matter...

Because of this, we can actually eliminate the possibility of the world coming into existence.

Also, according to the laws of thermodynamics the universe could not have been in existence forever because it would have had a heat death an infinite number of times by now. (Having the universe infinitely large does not help with this)

So, in truth, we can conclude that the world couldn't exist unless some supernatural force intervened and caused the world to come into existence.

Do some math (what is the probability of 200 amino acids lining up exactly to a particular pattern?) and you'll find that the most probable thing is that this supernatural force is an intelligent being also known as a god.

Do some historical and philosophical research (see After The Flood and The Everlasting Man), and you will conclude that this god probably relieved himself to man and is probably honest and logical (More probability).

Do some statistical research and you should absolutely conclude that of all even possible "religions" the one based most firmly on the popular Christan Bible is the one that should be believed and followed.
Also this one is the most inviting."


You appear to have no clue what you're talking about.

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Quote: "no time for time for time to come into existence. "

This made me laugh.


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