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Drapes#10
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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 22:40
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You should watch and listen to this, it may make you think twice.

what are your thoughts?

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bitJericho
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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 23:08
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Ocho Geek
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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 23:12
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I thought this was going to be an uninformed rant. But he seemed very well informed and made some excellent points

I agree with most of it. its greed, and its too much. clearly haven't heard of the word equilibrium

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Accoun
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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 23:18 Edited at: 24th Jan 2011 23:20
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Not that it's new news anyway...
It's also not like I'll be buying such games. I don't give a crap about DLC, I won't give a crap aboud Online Passed games...

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Jeku
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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 23:37
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Meh, it just sounds like whining. His entire argument is "EA is rich, therefore they should not care about losing money."

Why doesn't he just not buy their games if he's so fed up?

I don't agree with an Online Pass either, but most companies shut off their online services after a few years anyways, which also kills their 2nd hand value. He seems to think EA is the only one doing this kind of thing.


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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 23:39
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Quote: "Why doesn't he just not buy their games if he's so fed up?"

Isn't he just doing it and encouraging us to do the same (with other games using such systems, too)?

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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 23:47
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Yes he is, Accoun. Honestly they aren't losing money, and like he said they are just trying to cheat you out of more. If they want more money, and keep there customers with it, they need to focus on getting better games released. I won't be buying any EA games any time soon. Jeku, I respect your position, but that wasn't valid.
Quote: ""EA is rich, therefore they should not care about losing money.""
He isn't saying that, he is saying they are making tons of money and shouldn't try to cheat you to try and get more.
Quote: "Why doesn't he just not buy their games if he's so fed up? "
He is doing that. He is encouraging us to do so as well.
Quote: "He seems to think EA is the only one doing this kind of thing."
No, he said several times that ubisoft, sony, and several other companies are, or are planning to, do this. I say as a closer that EA is just being greedy, it should be expected, and we should fight it until they repeal it. But then they will just come up with a new technique. I won't be buying any of their games soon.
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Posted: 24th Jan 2011 23:52 Edited at: 24th Jan 2011 23:54
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But ALL the other companies that have online games shut their servers off eventually, which kills their 2nd hand value.

Also, when you buy the game new then the Online Pass is included. Yes this is a way to curb 2nd hand sales, but it's not like you can buy, say, an original Xbox game from Take2 and expect to play it online.

Him calling the CEO of EA an "extortionist" is propaganda and extremist. He obviously doesn't understand the meaning of the word.

Microsoft has been charging a levy to play online games as well. Should they be boycotted? Are they extortionists too?

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Quote: "Honestly they aren't losing money, and like he said they are just trying to cheat you out of more."


Oh, I see, so it's final? You're 100% sure they're not losing money? Assumptions != fact.


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Him calling the CEO of EA an "extortionist" is propaganda and extremist. He obviously doesn't understand the meaning of the word.
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^^^this.

Bleh, at least most of the game developers still have heart, even if they get paid by monetary-centric executives.

Iunno, it's nothing that major. It's not like EA has a monopoly on the game market, and it's not like people are being forced to buy expensive games. Businesses always have things they wish they could dump more money into, and if they feel they have a right to that money (feel that the funds were taken away by piracy or transactions they should get a share of), they'll hike prices or get the money some other way. I think that's pretty much what's going on here.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 01:48
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Personally I don't have a problem with the online pass.

How is this any different from buying a Steam game? It's not like you can trade them on. Or any PC game in general where you have an online activation code code. You can't trade those games in.

The only thing I agree with is his stance on not buying the game because he doesn't agree with their practices. Good for him. I bet he ends up buying the games, though, just like all those people who weren't going to buy L4D2.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 04:35
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I'm with Jeku on this, he just wants to whine about EA is rich and he doesn't want to pay money for the game. There is no extortion going on here. And how is this any worse than companies who charge ppl $10 PER MONTH to play their games? Sure it's greedy, but its legal. They're just trying to capitalize a little on the used game market, which I may not agree with. Nazi-esque? Yea I'm really going to take this guy seriously.

As for this online pass, does that mean I can't play the game unless I have the internet? Like Spore? They'll never make a buck off me then.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 04:43
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Quote: "As for this online pass, does that mean I can't play the game unless I have the internet?"


No it just means that if you buy the game second hand you won't have access to online multiplayer from what I understand. Single player gaming is unaffected.

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How is this different to the PC Key code? Same principle but for Consoles is it not?

End of the world if you ask me

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 12:55
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The difference between the online pass and a PC Key code is that the online pass is tied to your XBL account (assuming you're playing on an Xbox of course). I have had a slight problem with this, seeing as my game crashed when using my primary profile (with all my stats, settings, achievements and so forth). I have been corresponding with EA support for a month now, without the problem being fixed. In all this time, I haven't been able to play FIFA online because I want to use my pass for my primary account, not the extra one I set up(which has an empty friends list and so on). Now EA Support tells me that they have run out of steps, and are just going to erase all my data from their database anyway as a last resort. It's a month since I got the game, and I haven't been able to enjoy it to it's full extent for that period, only due to the ridiculous online pass.

Agreed, my case might be rare, but it doesn't change the fact that this system is nothing more than annoying for EA's cutomers, such as myself.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 13:00
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Quote: "I have had a slight problem with this, seeing as my game crashed when using my primary profile"


You wouldn't be able to access the game online if you weren't using your XBL account anyway, unless you have two XBL (Gold) accounts

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 13:43
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Quote: "You wouldn't be able to access the game online if you weren't using your XBL account anyway, unless you have two XBL (Gold) accounts
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I don't see what your point is. My XBL account worked fine. The EA profile tied to the account, however, made the game crash when signing in to the servers. This is not the point I'm trying to make anyway, I'm just saying that the online pass system has, in this case, been quite a nuisance for the customer (ie. me )

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 13:59
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Quote: "This is not the point I'm trying to make anyway, I'm just saying that the online pass system has, in this case, been quite a nuisance for the customer (ie. me )"


Just like the permanent internet connection being required for C&C4 was a pain for me when it dropped about 5 seconds before completing a mission and I had to replay it as I got kicked from my SINGLE PLAYER game.

I'm not saying either system is good, simply that one of this guys arguments falls flat on its face. Having online games tied to a single account is not a new thing.

I don't know about pricing in for games in other parts of the world but here in Australia, buying a, relatively new, second hand game at EB is only $5 cheaper than buying it new. So the saving is not that great anyway.

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Quote: "I don't see what your point is. My XBL account worked fine. The EA profile tied to the account, however, made the game crash when signing in to the servers"


Aa I see, I thought you meant your Xbox Live profile was crashing the game.

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I wait till the game is old and should have all the bugs ironed out and is in the 4.00 range and at that price you don't care about if didn't work as it should.

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 18:28
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Speaking of used games, I was at BuyBacks yesterday and browsing their super nintendo games. They wanted $55 for earth worm jim! I have that game, so I feel like I have something of value But, you can pick it up on ebay for about $15. What really blew me away was Super Mario Kart. They wanted $170 for it. Again, roughly $15-20 on ebay. That guy can't tell me the used game market is hurting when they sell a $15 game for $170. (of course actually selling it for that much is another story)

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Posted: 25th Jan 2011 22:57
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no, hes saying EA is saying the used game market is hurting

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