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That Guy John
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Posted: 2nd Feb 2011 20:20
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Anyone have any success with this thing?

http://sites.amd.com/us/game/downloads/fusion-for-desktops/Pages/overview.aspx

Anytime I activate any of the presets, any at all, it shuts off all windows visual styles and I can't get it to turn them back on. Only when I uninstall it all together does it restore the styles.

I always on my own, shut off all the animate and slide visuals, but this thing strips the visuals down to bare bones.

Any knowledge on using this thing?

I know most people tweak in the BIOS, I normally do to, but it is 2011 and I was to use a pretty UI. lol
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MrValentine
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Posted: 3rd Feb 2011 00:02
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Hi there John, I have a valid solution but your probably not going to like it ^^

however I shall skip option Valid 1 and move onto Clause Requirement 1 instead...

Clause Requirement 1 =
Without much information about your Motherboard and CPU and Bios Version... there is little information to relate to in order to bring out a result.. (also as a loving Intel user for many years going now {as well as formally being an dissapointed AMD user before so I am not biased in any way} it will be hard to relate completely as if your cpu is a more recent one and if this application changes anything in your gpu if its an amdati card).

However I think you need to read that page more carefully as well as pay attention very sharply to the following which is pasted at the bottom of that page in BLOCK CAPITALS and this text with your cpu possibly being an AMD is something I would pay very strong attention to and avoid at all costs using this app.
Quote: "1.THIS UTILITY MAY DISABLE SECURITY / ANTIVIRUS SOFTWARE, OR ADVERSELY AFFECT YOUR SYSTEM. REVIEW ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION CAREFULLY BEFORE INSTALLING.
2.AMD'S PRODUCT WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER DAMAGES CAUSED BY OVERCLOCKING, EVEN WHEN ENABLED VIA AMD SOFTWARE.
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And as it states on the page that it will disable anything that eats up system resources... so it changing your visual styles is expected... I personally do not believe this is a useful app especially that it may disable your security which I find absurd and disgusting for anybody to even consider making you less protected... this is like them saying if your going to bungie jump, we may cut your rope while your down there to make the next user have their turn faster... this is just rediculous... so avoid using it... instead just manually tone down your visual settings and also if performance is what your after... simply look up the specifications of your cpu online and find its peak overclock ratios and ensure you also look for the needed frequescies for other mobo components and also ensure you have a solid mobo which was built either for gaming or specifically for overclocking and also ensure you have ample amount of PSU power to serve the juice jump... and also memory that can handle higher than stock frequencies... otherwise things will just lock up...

hope this helped and I was not off track with the advice

let me know if you need more detail or if you have a more specific detail regarding whats gone wrong

personally I never use tweaking apps other than bios as its solid and doesnt crash the system while your running the OS and you can correct by simply rebooting or clearing cmos ^^ I find doing tweaks manually better and more rewarding in that you can get better performance than with an app, as they do tend to get a little A$%L {yes that rear end word} good luck oh and feel free to ask me what option Valid 1 is haha but I think you guessed it by now ^^

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That Guy John
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Posted: 3rd Feb 2011 00:17
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... I'm not asking for help or advice with anything really.

Just curious if anyone else is using it and how they are liking it..

And your other option.. Brand discrepancies between AMD and Intel are like arguing rather Chevy or Ford is the best.. There both the same, many parts made in china / japan / korea and mostly assembled in mexico.

I'm just taking a break from being productive and making random conversation, anyone else chime in with more useless information whenever you feel the need.
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MrValentine
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Posted: 3rd Feb 2011 00:22
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lol, nice

I figured I went for overkill lol, its 11pm lol

but I disagree with the AMD Intel base... as you have to have tried both the Chevy and Ford... and I have tried both, ^^

obviously my answer is, nope not tried it, so no luck there... ^^

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Posted: 3rd Feb 2011 01:27
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Ive used both, Intel and AMD, for bang for the buck AMD hands down IMO.
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Posted: 3rd Feb 2011 01:54
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last I checked Intel held most powerful Desktop CPU and Server CPU records ^^

And perhaps on mid range AMD may excell (not that I agree), definitely not on low or high though, and I prefer Stability over Power and AMD has a history of dying on you ^^ (although I have heard they learnt of something called thermal control so it might be fixed now... but too late for me - and also with their merger into ATI or should I say ATI's merger into AMD, they have restricted the compatibilty between components, whereas Intel has remained open...)

Hands down, Full Stop. ^^

But nevertheless, as you said... theyre just products that do a good job in their own right, and might I add... they created something which is highly engaging, a community of gamers and users alike... though I reckon its the gamers that take up the pitch forks on the hyperthetical battlefield lol great fun nevertheless always a good way to argue points on a level playground

be you ATI or be you Nvidia
be you AMD or be you Intel
whatever you choose its because you liked either Red, Green or Blue. (lmao shout out if you spotted the RGB colour code joke there ^^ )

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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 3rd Feb 2011 03:32 Edited at: 3rd Feb 2011 03:43
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Generic benchmarks are interesting, but they don't always tell the entire story. They have to assume the instruction sets are the same between the two, which is false !

Both manufactures introduce unique opcodes into their instruction sets on regular basis. Often to fill some omission left by the other. Such special cases opcodes can be the difference in certain circumstances.


Hmm, I wonder what's coming in 2011?
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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 16:06
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Sure, Intel processors perform better in generic benchmark tests as kevin said, but theres no arguing that you get more cores/ faster clocks speeds for less with AMD.

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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 16:54 Edited at: 5th Feb 2011 16:56
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more cores? Intel has a 12 core processor (6 logical with 2 threads each)... the first to do so too, but cheaper... depends, most high end AMD cpu's cost more than some intel cpu's so on low end, sure it does have cheaper cpu's but then the lower end intel cpu's out-perform them, there is a delicate balance here somethere ^^

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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 17:38
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Actually Intel had the first 8 core, AMD the first 12 core.

Being someone that has built a few hundred computer systems I can firmly say that there is no comparison between the Intel and AMD processors.

Intel chips are much higher in price, but they are designed for "computer systems for dummies"

AMD chips are much more affordable, but they're designed for more advanced users who know how to tweak the software (and hardware for overclockers) to get the very best out of the chip.

Intel chips: I've gotten a whole batch of bad chips

AMD: 1 bad chip (was damaged during shipping

Intel: benchmarks higher on typical "dummie" setting

AMD: benchmarks lower on typical "dummie" setting although there is no noticeable difference in performance compared to the intel chip with these settings.

It was also an AMD chip that was officially clocked with the record speed a couple of years ago....and it still holds the record.


but overall it's like you said...some like Chevy, some like Ford
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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 18:01
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you just openly admitted that at stock settings, where you don't lose your warranty, and at default settings also known as 'OUT OF THE BOX' Intel surpasses AMD in all areas... end of argument... I dont want to waste any more time on this... besides if AMD really was that affordable, or powerful... then why does one of the biggest server providers in the world not use them?

http://www1.euro.dell.com/uk/en/business/Servers/blade/ct.aspx?refid=blade&s=bsd&cs=ukbsdt1

I always look at what the big boys are using and partnering with, as my measely 20.000+ (£-$) project is nothing compared to their 20.0000.000+(£-$) projects, so when they pick something between 2 choices as did Adobe with Nvidia over ATI... sometimes this is a clear signal... as with the dodgy cpu's... who is your supplier? consider buying from a more reliable supplier... its not always that a manufacturer chooses to release bad batches onto the market... sometimes its a manufacturer who decided they can make a few extra pennies... however... lets not change the scope of this thread

Epic Win as always

but, remember its not just the cpu's results that should be paid notice to, since they do not run on the same motherboard therefore you need to ensure that every aspect is as close to the other as possible, simply using the same hard drive and ram sticks does not compare... if you used a (£-$) 20 board for one and a (£-£)200 board for the other... this is not a valid method... however. each man to their own experiences and opinions, I could drive a ferrari today and love it you could drive the same ferrari and say its not all that good. and just because you have built many computers, does not mean to say that others have not built their handfull either... I have over a decade under my belt, nuff said.

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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 18:06 Edited at: 5th Feb 2011 18:12
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Quote: "then why does one of the biggest server providers in the world not use them?"


You do realize that server provider's number one concern is heat and electrical usage. Intel wins hands down in those two areas. Intel is about 2 times the price right now compared to a similar amd chip. That price jump is nothing compared to the long term use in cooling and electrical costs for a server company.

These are concerns that don't affect normal users unless you're anal about 40watts (under load) or you're building a microatx case with limited space for fans.

As for speed of this vs that, only tests will really reveal the answer, not personal experience. So go look at charts.

Looks like an i7 is what beats a phenom x6, and that's what, 2x the price?

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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 18:32 Edited at: 5th Feb 2011 18:36
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you just proved me right again, I thank you sire...

as for the price... first anything green, costs you money, but compared to AMD, who do not have anything more than a CPU on offer... the i3,i5,i7 offer more bang for the buck so to say by having an Integrated Video processor (I never like to call it a GPU as I think intel needs to partner with Nvidia as these integrated video processors are just S*%t)
not only does it do more than just process your word document I can watch something in HD wow... sparkle (not the manufacturer lol)

also... 125W for what? with that extra 30W I could power 4 7W power saving light bulbs... and besides the whole point of being green and all the worlds focus is being green and energy efficient... (the 123W is referrence to the hex core equivalent AMD chip compared to the cheapest available 3.02ghz six core intel - this is like buying a cheap sports car that eats 10 litres a second vs a new sports car eating 2 litres a second or less just as an example)

look at charts... sorry I look for stability and reliability over performance... (this can only be done first hand, as the charts on the internet will not always reflect your motherboard, nor reflect the quality of the components on your board, they might have had a better or slower board than you as every part is not the same, even though made in the same way... go learn about Atomic / Molecular Structures)yeah sure that AMD will run my process faster and render this and that faster... but at least it will not burn out on me after 6 months.. I have had my q6600 happily now since 2008 and it funny enough gives me higher marks on pc mark vantage everytime I run it... seems to me it gets better over time... and also I can easily run an intel on a stock cooler not that I am now but I can and keep it that way for many years... unlike AMD, so... like I say... its experience and first hand knowledge that surpasses any charts.

anyway please stop hogging this thread... and using my time... just admit you have an AMD cpu and your not happy about it lol


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Oh yeah... you dont get a ferrari for the price of a BMW, specially not a model released after 2009 (before you start thinking yeah you can a ferrari from 1990 ... nope) and before you think I am a ferrari person, I prefer the much nicer Nissan GT

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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 18:49 Edited at: 5th Feb 2011 18:55
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Actually I have a core 2 duo in my desktop and my htpc i just built has an athlon 2 x2.

It's all about what you're trying to achieve. There is no right or wrong answer.

Also, I'd like to say I threw 40 watts out as an example, I have no idea how much more power an AMD chip consumes if any. I did notice a core i7 is advertised as 130 watts with the phenom showing at 125 watts on newegg. I suspect the phenom does throw out more heat, my athlon does compared to my core 2 duo.

If you want to be green, you're better off going midrange rather than highend. The highend stuff is always power hungry.

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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 19:05 Edited at: 5th Feb 2011 19:08
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glad we could some to a stand down lol,
but the i7' are primarily 95W on low range i7 range, hope you follow... and the higher power i7 the £1200 $2500 chips do consume more power obviously...

... by the way... its a pleasure meeting you My name's Valentine

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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 19:20
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Quote: "Looks like an i7 is what beats a phenom x6, and that's what, 2x the price?"


Thank you, that was my exact point when I said "Bang for the buck".

To me, there is no need to pay the price for Intel. When there is AMD.

None of us are calculating environmental algorithms < yeah I just made that up > or strategic ware fare simulations.. well maybe not on a world wide scale lol just 1gig at a time.
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Posted: 5th Feb 2011 19:25 Edited at: 5th Feb 2011 19:25
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I agree with you, if you have the money go for Intel like I did, but if your on a budget, go for where your wallet takes you... I do require the added power of Intel for that extra money, and it does speed things up for me, and above all it is stable...

edit, hows it going John?

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