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Geek Culture / [Question for Moderators] What is the difference?

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That Guy John
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 17:06
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Okay, I know I am probibly setting myself up for a bann or whatever the case may be... again, but I think this is an honest question.

What is the difference between this and this?

Why did the first one get locked?

Both threads are promoting great media, the only difference I see is the amount of time each has been a member.

I know, moderators can use their own discression. But I think it is obvious favortism is shown here.

I don't know, I just don't think it is very fair and when the issue is brought it is stifled and veteran members and mods tend to gang up.

Just felt like speaking my piece, not trying to make a big stink, but geeze.
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Diggsey
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 17:24
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Maybe the second one was approved by TGC?

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Quik
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 17:57
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or the second one was posted BEFORE they put out the new rules?


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Van B
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 18:12
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We tend to lock media threads like that primarily when the user has only signed up to advertise media. If a recognised user posts media for sale, then it's much more likely to be left alone. There are more restrictions since the TGC store went online of course.

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That Guy John
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 18:20
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Van,

So the preferrence now is for us to use the TGC store?
If so, I can see why I suppose. Make use of it if it is there.

So what about having [WIP] threads for "paid" media / tools then [Showcase] for completed media / tools, similar to the FPSC threads? Would this be possible? I see it done with the FPSC media.
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Van B
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 18:36
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Well it's not like we enforce the TGC store, but each model for sale thread has to be judged on it's own merits, and the person who is posting it.

You have one thread that has been locked, the originator there has made 2 threads here, both selling media, both locked, both completely justified locks IMO.

The other thread is by a poster who has been on the forum for about 5 years, and has dozens of threads, more threads than I've created. I think there's a stark difference in those cases which kinda eliminates the whole argument. I'm not saying that you don't have a point, because there are no set rules and every liklihood that advertisement threads have gone unchecked (which maybe should have been locked).

We simply don't like people signing up here then using the forum as an advertising vehicle, if people want to join just to sell their media, there is support for that but the forum is not the place. If established users want to advertise their finished work, then it is regarded more as a showcase than an advert.

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That Guy John
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 18:59
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Van,

I do understand the creditably built over time, I think what raises a flag with me sometimes is when a door seems to be slammed shut in someones face.

Not that I feel Moderators should have to explain themselves, but I think copy / pasting a generic "rule" that really just casts an open net to cover what ever it is deemed necassary to fit the situation.. is kind of.. well I don't know. I think a little more personal response and direction on correcting the issue from a mod would suite better in some situations.

I know moderating a forum is a beast of a task at times. It's just that, to me it seems instead of giving leway to long time members (which is highly understandable), what really happens at times is eyes and heads seem to turn the other way for them.

As said before, not trying to raise a stink. I am just trying to feel things out, I would like to feel more comfortable with what I do here without being fearful of what the reaction might be.
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BatVink
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 19:21
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The mods have actually discussed this situation at length when it was raised a couple of weeks ago.

BoxDimensions has joined the forums and only posted advertising material. That makes it easy to moderate - the forums are not a vessel for free advertising.

The models may be great and 100% suitable, but lets be fair - TGC run the forums at an expense, and the regular forum members that have ventured into selling via The Store are paying for their marketing; TGC takes a percentage of each sale.

Dexon is a quandry. His posts started long before we have solid rules regarding this. We will no doubt continue to review this as mods.

Regarding the pasted responses...We have a series of standard responses which may not be personal, but they help the mods keep a better eye on the forums. If we can catch 80% of the obviously rule-breaking posts with a standard response, it gives more of the volunteered time to look at more of the forum. We reached a point where moderating became a serious chore, and it's not right that the mods spend all of their time moderating rather than joining in.

You'll see that a lot of the time the mods are giving gentle nudges and adding additional comments to the standard responses.

The standard responses are actually designed to try and make things fairer, keeping the rules as regular as possible. Of course, they don't cover all eventualities and we aren't infallible

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 19:27
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Actually one of dexons therads where locked due to the new policy;

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 19:30 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2011 19:35
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Quote: "we aren't infallible "


I don't think anyone is.
Thanks for the responses.

[edit] Just saw your post Laz.
I hadn't seen that thread. Well, I love the media Dexsoft has, but it is good to see things being enforce across the board. Hopefully things will get even tighter all around.
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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 19:44 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2011 19:45
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As far as I can see a fair forum can't use its rules to an absolute, but you can work closely as possible - I think it's partly why decisions are left up to a moderator's discretion (little clause in the rules). Parts of the forum are designed to help users showcase what they've got and giving them room to promote their material to their peers, so I suspect if the member engages the forum as an active member and not to just take advantage of free advertisement, then I suspect mods will have lenience.

If they suddenly allowed anybody to just advertise, the forum could easily be filled with spam, because with a forum this huge, free advertisement would seem like something to take advantage of. And of course, with the TGC Store, it'd offer some hurtful competition and bear in mind TGC Forums is a forum for a business who sells game creation tools, not just for game creation, so their business interests no doubt contribute to how the forum is run.

Perhaps TGC could encourage our spammers to sell stuff on the TGC store.

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 20:35
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If they can redirect banned members to barbie.com, they could also redirect advertisers to the TGC store

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 20:57
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We can't. That takes special intervention from TGC staff (Paul or Mike I'd guess).

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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 21:43 Edited at: 23rd Mar 2011 21:43
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I meant TGC rather than an individual moderator

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BatVink
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Posted: 23rd Mar 2011 22:08
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Quote: "Perhaps TGC could encourage our spammers to sell stuff on the TGC store"


I was thinking the same thing. There's some quality content, it's just being posted in an unorthodox way.

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