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Omnomer
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In swiss cheese with holes more cheese means more holes. An more hols means less cheese. So does more cheese mean less cheese? Feel the headache

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No, more cheese does not mean less cheese

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No. The size of the holes remains constant, so imagine the amount of cheese taken away by holes as a percentage of the whole cheese. More cheese is still more cheese, because as the amount of cheese increases, the holes do take away more cheese physically, but still take away the same percent out of the whole cheese.

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Heh.

What thenerd said.

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This wasn't exactly a tough one.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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Yay you solved it! I solved it earlyer. If pro is the opposite of con then progress is the opposite of congress. Chew on that.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2011 08:04
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how bout which weighs more a ton of bricks of a ton of feathers??

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Or, how about what takes more space. A ton of bricks or a ton of feathers?


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the proportion of the holes will always be less than that of the cheese, therefore while more holes = less cheese, more cheese= still more cheese with more holes. Lets say holes take up 1/5 of the cheese. so 5 cubic cm of cheese=1 cubic cm of hole(s) leaving 4 cubic cm of puure cheese. Lets add more cheese to the equasion. take 50 cm^3 of cheese. If holes take up 1/5 of the cheese, it will leave us with 40cm^3 of cheese and 10 cm^3 of holes, even if the proportion of holes was bigger say, 2/5 of the cheese, that would still leave us with 30cm^ of cheese vs 4cm^3 of cheese=(5cm with a hole) so while the presence of holes does diminish the amount of puuure cheese, it does not proove that more cheese= less cheese. more cheese will always be more cheese as long as the consistancy and proportion of holes are more or less the same. Infact the only way the holes could make more cheese into less cheese is if with increased amount of cheeese, the proportion/consistancy of holes are greatly increased.... by like 50% or more depending on the proportion/ consitancy of holes.

like lets say we have 100cm of cheese with 10 cm of holes, leaving 90 cm of puuuure cheese, if we increase the amount of cheese to 200 cm the holes should be big enough to leave less than 90cm of cheese. so we will have to make it a wopping 120cm of holes in a 200 cm of cheese, leaving only 80 cm of puuure cheese vs the original 90 cm. In this case more cheese= less cheese

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Posted: 31st Mar 2011 10:13
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Quote: "Yay you solved it! I solved it earlyer. If pro is the opposite of con then progress is the opposite of congress. Chew on that."


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Chew on that.

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Posted: 31st Mar 2011 21:10
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Less is not more. More is more. That's why it's called more.
-George Lucas

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." That's a bit like saying Hey bullies! So yeah, this words thing isn't working, but I'll tell you what will
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Posted: 31st Mar 2011 21:12 Edited at: 31st Mar 2011 21:13
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Quote: "how bout which weighs more a ton of bricks of a ton of feathers??"


Depends. Does the ton of feather still have the birds attached to them? And if so, do the weight of the birds count? Also, what color was the bus driver's hat?

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Not a riddle but I just saw into the future! I know what I saw must be right because I had a 2020 vision. I just made that up now.

This is a riddle...
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What am I?

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I whisper softly in your ear,
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You pull the cord and then I'm dead.



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this is more of a mathematical paradox, but hey, IDC :-Y

What is infinity multiplied by zero?

(considering that anything multiplied by zero is zero, but also everything multiplied by infinity is infinity.)

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Posted: 31st Mar 2011 21:48 Edited at: 31st Mar 2011 21:50
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Do you walk to school or take a lunch?

...and the bus drivers hat was yellow and black.

... and the band played on.
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Quote: "everything multiplied by infinity is infinity"

You can't multiply by infinity...

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Quote: "and the bus drivers hat was yellow and black."


Wait, I thought that was the color of the bus?

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I don't care what anybody else says, my opinion is that anything divided by 0 is infinity, so, (1/0)*(1/0) is infinity times infinity xD so if you work it out in fraction form, it's still infinity :p
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infinity isnt a number though

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It's a concept. If I'm not mistaken, to travel at the speed of light, at any mass greater than no mass at all, would require infinite energy. In my opinion it's still a way of quantifying something, which is all numbers really are.
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Quote: "This is a riddle...
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You will bow down to me!
What am I?"


The United States (or so they think)?

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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Posted: 31st Mar 2011 23:38
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Quote: "everything multiplied by infinity is infinity"


Let's see... 0*infinity=??

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Quote: "(1/0)*(1/0) is infinity times infinity"


Quote: " it's still a way of quantifying something, which is all numbers really are."


If you do the work out for 1/0, you'll find that it equals positive and negative infinity. You can't really quantify something that's positive and negative at the same time.

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(@ means infinity)
@ * 1 = @
@ * 0 = 0
@ / 0 = 1 maybe?


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100/3 isnt that 33.3333333xinf?

if so then there is many mathematic stuff that equals infinity, hmm go figure..


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Quote: "If you do the work out for 1/0, you'll find that it equals positive and negative infinity. "


How so? How many zeros go into 1, you'd answer infinity, not minus infinity. Obviously if you can show me the math that works I'll happily admit I'm wrong.
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Quote: "How so?"

If you do the limit of 1/0, you have to do it from left and right hand, so you have 1/x and 1/-x.

Quote: "if so then there is many mathematic stuff that equals infinity"

That repeats infinitely, but it doesn't equal infinity.

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Quote: "You can't really quantify something that's positive and negative at the same time."

Yes you can - the square root of nine, for example, is both 3 and -3. We still use it though.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." That's a bit like saying Hey bullies! So yeah, this words thing isn't working, but I'll tell you what will
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I think something is wrong with mathematics when we can't get an accurate value for a third. That's probably me being silly but it just seems rubbish lol.


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Quote: "Yes you can - the square root of nine, for example, is both 3 and -3. We still use it though."

You still arrive at separate answers.
So sqr(9) * sqr(9) = 3 * 3; 3 * -3; -3 * 3; -3 * -3.
The same thing happens with (1/0)*(1/0). My point is that there is no definite answer, just possibilities.

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This is where my GCSE in maths shows its cracks

Quote: "I think something is wrong with mathematics when we can't get an accurate value for a third. That's probably me being silly but it just seems rubbish lol."

Yeah, this always confused me too. It's 3.33333333333333 etc, which means in theory there's a 4 at the end somewhere... we just can't get there. And 0.99999999999 etc is the same as 1 ... except it's not.
What?

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." That's a bit like saying Hey bullies! So yeah, this words thing isn't working, but I'll tell you what will
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Quote: "I think something is wrong with mathematics when we can't get an accurate value for a third. That's probably me being silly but it just seems rubbish lol."


Yes we can. It's called:

1/3

If you don't want to write it with fractions, you can write it as:

0.1

in ternary. Or

0.3

in base-9. Or

1

in base-1/3.

Quote: "I don't care what anybody else says, my opinion is that anything divided by 0 is infinity, so, (1/0)*(1/0) is infinity times infinity xD so if you work it out in fraction form, it's still infinity :p "


Well, regardless of your opinion, anything divided by 0 is undefined.

Quote: "The same thing happens with (1/0)*(1/0). My point is that there is no definite answer, just possibilities."


There is no answer, and there are no possibilities, because it is undefined.

Regardless of how unintuitive it seems, 0.999... = 1, 1/0 is undefined, and so on and so forth.

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Quote: "Quote: "how bout which weighs more a ton of bricks of a ton of feathers??"

Depends. Does the ton of feather still have the birds attached to them? And if so, do the weight of the birds count? Also, what color was the bus driver's hat?

Kravenwolf"


Sorry Kravenwolf it doesn't depend, let me reword it:
the bricks weigh exactly 1 ton, so do the birds.

They weigh the same is the answer.


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Wow.That happened quickly.

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Quote: "the bricks weigh exactly 1 ton, so do the birds."


Wait, what happened to the feathers? NOooooooooooooOooo!!!

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There's a lot of math trolling going on in this thread .

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Kravenwolf: Too... much.... non-logical... thinking.... ahhhh


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Everyone put on your helmets...

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Posted: 1st Apr 2011 16:30 Edited at: 1st Apr 2011 16:30
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Quote: ""how bout which weighs more a ton of bricks of a ton of feathers??""

Well, no matter how much both of them wheigh, I'd rather have a ton of feathers falling on my foot, than a ton of bricks.

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Quote: "@ * 0 = 0"


I disagree.

@ * 0 = everything


Why?

5/0=@ | *0
5=0*@
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Quote: "Too... much.... non-logical... thinking.... ahhhh "


I disagree. 1 ton = 1 ton; obviously. Too easy. Either it's not a riddle at all (not much of one anyway) or there's more to it. Something we're missing. Something you may have overlooked but I aim to figure out. Now, let's work together on this one...what color was the bus driver's hair? And again, what happened to the feathers? The first time, it's feathers, and then it's birds. Feathers come from birds, birds don't come from feathers. Shouldn't the birds have come first? Is this a spinoff on the chicken or the egg thing?

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while on the subject of math and infinty and things, my friends showed me a simple little trick that had us debating for a while

its sort of prove that 0.99999recuring does infact equal 1



I know its a bit different but it really confused me and we never got to an answer and someone here might be able to explain why not.
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Quote: "
I disagree.

@ * 0 = everything


Why?

5/0=@ | *0
5=0*@"


I hope this post was a joke...

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How many zero's go into 1? None, zero can never equal one, even with an infinite amount of them. It's like asking how many oranges does it take to make cheese.

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I see your point of view, but 0 has the same "power" as infinite. The number 5 was just an example, it can by any number, that's why 0*@=undefined. Check it out : http://www.philforhumanity.com/Zero_Times_Infinity.html

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@Teh Stone
0.999 recurring does equal 1.

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@Diggsey
I know that the difference between 1 and 0.999recuring is negligible and to any number of significant figures it does equal 1

but saying

1 = 0.999recuring is just wrong
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0.9999 recurring is infinitely close to 1, every significant figure gets it 10 times closer, if there are an infinite number of decimal places it is infinitely close therefore it must be equal to 1 as that's as infinitely close as you can get.

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and the maths behind it!

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@indicium

I know it makes sense like that, i put that in my first post about it

I just thought it was quiet strange and to me that proof works but it still doesnt make sense in my head if you know what i mean
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