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Geek Culture / N and P Channel MOSFET Transistors

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Dark Java Dude 64
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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 19:37
Hai everyone! Sorry i keep cluttering the Geek Culture board with electronics related questions but my best friend Wikipedia cant seem too tell me what i want, and a search on my next best friend Google doesnt really help either. by what i have sorta gathered, P channel MOSFETS will allow current to flow when a negative charge is applied to the gate, and an N channel MOSFET allows current to flow when a positive charge is applied to the gate.

Is this all true? Or am i high on crack?

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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 20:55 Edited at: 24th Apr 2011 21:00
An NPN transistor is a transisistor with N type silicon at the emitter and collector and P type silicon at the base. A PNP transistor is the opposite way round.

N type silicon is silicon with extra electrons and P type silicon is silicon with electrons taken away.


Transistors work by the checking difference between the voltages between the emitter and the base to decide weather to let current flow between the emitter and collector. This is where the difference between the 2 transistor types comes.

In the NPN transistor, the voltage of the base must be higher than the voltage of the emitter for current to flow. The current will flow from the collector to the emitter.

In the PNP transistor, the voltage of the base must be lower than the voltage of the emitter for current to flow. The current will flow from the emitter to the collector.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 21:40
what kaedroho said.

If you try to construct various gates (or/and/xor/not) out of npn and pnp transistors, that can help you understand the difference.
(meaning you have two input pins and one output pins. A pin pulled negative is "false" and a pin pulled positive is "true".)


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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 21:43
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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 21:45 Edited at: 24th Apr 2011 21:47
NPN and PNP are bipolar, not MOSFET. Im talking about MOSFET! I already know how the bipolar transistors are operated and i know what N and P type silicon/semiconductors are.

Metal Oxide Semiconductor Field Effect Transistor. They are considered unipolar transistors, and NPN PNP are bipolar...

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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 21:53
Think of mosfets as digital transistors.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 22:56 Edited at: 24th Apr 2011 23:06
A n-Channel MOSFET starts conducting when the voltage UGS (voltage from Gate to source) gets larger (usually around 3 volts). A p-Channel MOSFET starts conducting when the voltage UGS gets smaller (usually around -3 volts). It of course all depends on what sort you are using.

Another note to make is that when using them in digital circuits, they draw more current the higher the switching frequency is. This is because the Gate has a capacitance (usually around 500 pF). The reactance Xc can be calculated with this formula : 1/(2*pi*f*C), where f is the frequency (Hz), and C is the capacitance (F). The resistance doesn't have to be regarded (it has a small influence when using high frequencies), so current I can be calculated with Ohm's law : I=UGS/Z, where Z=Xc. If you do choose to calculate the resistance of the wires, Z=sqrt(Xc^2+R^2).

Another thing you should know is the "ringing effect" at the Gate. I'm not entirely sure what causes it, but whenever a FET switches from low to high (in a digital circuit here), you will get spikes that shoot up to almost twice the voltage. I presume it has something to do with the Gate's inductive properties... To prevent it, it helps to put a small resistor in series with the Gate (I usually use 10 ohms, but you'll need to calculate it).

Quote: "Think of mosfets as digital transistors."


The difference between your normal bipolar transistors and FETs are that bipolar transistors amplify the current flowing into the Base, where FETs are like a variable resistor controlled proportionally by the input voltage (really high Gate resistance). They can both be analog.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 23:14
Thanks! So when you say the voltage from the gate to the source, which is the positive, the gate or the source? Im guessing the gate

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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 23:41
Quote: "where FETs are like a variable resistor controlled proportionally by the input voltage"

You can get some which act like switches though, when the voltage on the base is higher than the trigger voltage the switch is closed, when its lower it's open, that's what my tutor says at least.

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Posted: 24th Apr 2011 23:59 Edited at: 25th Apr 2011 00:00
Quote: "You can get some which act like switches though, when the voltage on the base is higher than the trigger voltage the switch is closed, when its lower it's open, that's what my tutor says at least."


I've not heard of FETs act like that before... Every FET has a certain threshold where it becomes fully saturated, and between that threshold and 0 the output is proportional to the input voltage. There are however FETs that have a very low threshold, maybe he was talking about that?

Quote: "Thanks! So when you say the voltage from the gate to the source, which is the positive, the gate or the source? Im guessing the gate"


Yes, Gate to Source I meant that the Gate is positive If I say UGS = -3V, then the voltage from gate to source is -3V, and therefor the Source would be "positive".

You're not going to make your console with MOSFETs, are you?

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Posted: 25th Apr 2011 00:07 Edited at: 25th Apr 2011 00:08
Quote: "You're not going to make your console with MOSFETs, are you?"
That made me lol! No, but to make sure i know how to properly get a PCB printed and have a little bit of electronics design experience and to have some soldering experience i will design and order a PCB and i want to use MOSFETs to make a 4-bit binary adder on the PCB. I have seen the schematics of one and it seems relatively simple! But i will not be looking at those schematics to make things more fun. Another reason im interested is because almost all microprocessors use mostly MOSFETS. It's quite rare you will come a cross an IC that uses bipolar transistors unless it's a TTL IC

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