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Geek Culture / The "Nintendo Stream" (AKA "Project Cafe")

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 07:34
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I'm rather surprised no one's posted about this yet (though I suppose the current political activity for the upcoming Forum Elections is quite the understandable distraction!).

According to IGN, Nintendo is working on their successor to the Wii for release sometime next year. Currently it's dubbed Project Cafe, but a name Nintendo is considering for the system is "Nintendo Stream". Apparently, it will also be comparable to the look of the Super Nintendo and will be about the size of the original Xbox 360 (anyone else think that's a little too large...?). The most exciting thing (I think) is the rumored controller; no more waving that silly remote around! Nintendo's going back to the original button-mashing controller with one, crucial addition: a 6.2" touch screen on the controller itself! The overall design hasn't been confirmed, but there's a few concept images that look like it could work. I personally don't know if that's a good idea or not...while it's certainly key to Nintendo's plan for Project Cafe, it's up for debate about the touchscreen. Most people seem to be for it, though, so maybe I'm just being too analytical at the moment.

Here's a concept image:


So what do you guys think? More details are going to be released during E3 on June 7th. This may be the first year in a while that I actually try to stay updated on this.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 09:55 Edited at: 26th Apr 2011 09:56
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I absolutely love it. They can make split screen poker games now too haha. Just have your cards only displayable on your controller.

Its funny though... I've literally always had the concept of a screen on the controller itself.

Imagine the next step aster this though.... maybe the controllers could be the console themselves!!! just imagine having a handheld xbox 360... Walking around playing gears of war.... pure awesome

What I love so much about this is just whats in store for us later down the road. Though this console may be nothing special... Its damn revolutionary.

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Haven't Nintendo been down this road before?



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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 10:13
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Quote: "According to IGN, Nintendo is working on their successor to the Wii for release sometime next year."


Meanwhile Project Café has been oficially announced by Nintendo. More information will be revealed at this years E3 and the release is set for 2012.

I'm curious about the concept but we'll see what Big N comes up with. There are plenty of interesting possibilities considering their latest technologies like glasses-free 3D, motion controls and this touch screen controller. Imagine you could hold your gamepad with screen up and point it at your tv to get a different view of the scene with 3D to discover certain items. Things like that... Of course all the processing wouldn't be done on each controller but streamed from the console to avoid having to give each player an expensive 3DS-like device. It's all just speculations though...

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I'm worried to be honest. The Wii was so successful because it was quite unique to the other consoles (with its motion controls) and the fact that it targeted a much larger demographic. This thing seems to be less revolutionary (a screen built-in to the controller? really?) and seems to target the same demographic as the competitors, which is rather dangerous. We'll have to wait and see though.



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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 13:14 Edited at: 26th Apr 2011 13:16
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They need a controller that's just a sphere.

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oh wait, wrong company.That's revolutionary in an apple sort of way.

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I got it! They could cut right to the chase this time, and just make a controller that catapults other controllers into your TV screen.


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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 13:43
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Quote: "oh wait, wrong company.That's revolutionary in an apple sort of way.

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I got it! They could cut right to the chase this time, and just make a controller that catapults other controllers into your TV screen.
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There's probably "an app for that".

I'm not sure what to think about this. I can see some potential for a controller like that but a touch screen on a controller, I can't really see the two being used in combination. I reckon it has to be either touch screen or mashing buttons at the one time. On the other hand, I suppose having a touch screen on a controller can be convenient?

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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 18:43
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Quote: " Haven't Nintendo been down this road before?"


no, that's a handheld console, this would be a normal, hook up to the TV console, that ALSO has a touchscreen on the controller.

looks pretty cool at any rate, not sure how many real uses there would be for the touchscreen.

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I can't imagine an easy way to switch between button and touch screen controls on the fly, sounds like they're sellotaping a DS onto an XBox 360 controller.

It just sounds like a bad idea. I can't play the same game on a DS and 360 at the same time, so how can I switch between touch screen and button controls here?

Then again, I never player the Wii.

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That concept controller looks fake, I don't believe a nintendo designer would put together a bunch of cut and paste images, the way the screen sticks out at the top is horrible. If they are doing this it wont look like that.

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a 200 dollar controller? Doubtful.

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The controller image above is just an image made by IGN, Nintendo never stated ANYTHING about a new controller with displays or the like.

All they said until now is this:

Quote: "Nintendo Co., Ltd. has decided to launch in 2012 a system to succeed Wii, which the company has sold 86.01 million units on a consolidated shipment basis between its launch in 2006 and the end of March 2011.
We will show a playable model of the new system and announce more specifications at the E3 Expo, which will be held June 7-9, 2011, in Los Angeles."


BUT, if they do release some sort of controller with a display, I think there won't be any processing done on it, all the images for the controller display would be streamed from the console then (via Wifi or something). This would keep the production cost significantly lower than any DS.

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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 22:47
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Quote: "no, that's a handheld console, this would be a normal, hook up to the TV console, that ALSO has a touchscreen on the controller."


You could use the Gameboy Advance as a controller on the Gamecube. Seem to remember them making a big fuss about it at the time, and there being a few games that supported it (that multiplayer 2D Zelda game?). Seem to remember the Dreamcast controllers having a little screen in them as well, which could be removed and used as a portable device too.

Meh, until they design a touch screen that gives proper tactile feedback I still think they are somewhat overrated as a gaming input device.

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Nintendo just needs to design games and not consoles. They haven't put out a decent console in the last 6 years. Nintendo is WAY behind the current generation of consoles.

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Quote: "Nintendo just needs to design games and not consoles. They haven't put out a decent console in the last 6 years. Nintendo is WAY behind the current generation of consoles."

Yeah I agree. I have some of my best video game memories with Nintendo games. Whether it's playing through Zelda OOT and Metroid Prime with friends, or fishing in Animal Crossing, or beating the s##t out of each in the original super smash and melee. The only game I've played for the current gen consoles that in anyway compared to the times I already mentioned was playing Gears of War campaign on my friend's 90 some inch TV. Nintendo really wins in the game design department compared to Sony and Microsoft, and this should be their main focus.

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Quote: "no, that's a handheld console, this would be a normal, hook up to the TV console, that ALSO has a touchscreen on the controller."


I wasn't trying to say we've already got it but it just seemed like Nintendo have already tried that approach. - Adding an external console and a touchscreen to the Gameboy advanced basically just gives you this. :S

Slike they took the DS, Gamecube and GBA n stuck em all together as an apparently new idea... :S

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Posted: 26th Apr 2011 23:18 Edited at: 26th Apr 2011 23:20
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Quote: "Nintendo's going back to the original button-mashing controller with one, crucial addition: a 6.2" touch screen on the controller itself!"


LOL. I hope Pauli is right, and that this idea isn't actually being given serious consideration. That would probably be the last straw regarding my opinion of Nintendo's consoles.

Oh and that concept image is awfully inaccurate if the screen is actually going to be 6.2"...

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Watched this on IGN. I think it would be amazing if Nintendo actually made a console worth playing again! I loved Nintendo back in the times of Zelda! I still own and play my Nintendo 64!

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The N64 was one of the best consoles of all time.

So some newish news on the specs for Project Cafe: There will be at least 8GB of internal flash memory (Nintendo doesn't seem to want to include hard drives for downloadable content, but there may be a way to gain more storage space through high-capacity SD cards), the game discs will hold 25GBs worth of data (just like the PS3 discs!), and it will be HD graphics (I think it will support both 1080i and 1080p). We still won't know more until E3 next month, however, so everyone hold on to your hats! I'm rather excited about this.

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Quote: "here will be at least 8GB of internal flash memory"

This will kill the system. One of the downfalls to the Wii was the tiny storage space. 8GB of storage is pathetic for a brand new system in the current time, you can get an 8GB flash drive for a relatively cheap price (though the prices do vary alot), and it can be smaller than your finger tip. To announce in 2011 that your next-gen system only has 8GB of storage is just embarrassing. I really hope that this is will remain "unconfirmed data" and the system really won't have just 8GB because I'd love to see Nintendo create a great system AND have great games for it.


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Well, whatever the machine has, developers please note: I am not a little girl, and I dont want to spend my time dancing, nor will I be happy with dumbed down versions just because the box has Nintendo written on it.

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I think Nintendo are on crack.

Also, can they please stop recycling games?

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Also, can they please stop recycling games?"


imo, nintendo wouldnt be nintendo if they didnt, you see, mario, zelda, metroid, ssmb, all those and more are what makes nintendo special


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Beyond awful. It's like they looked up the definitions of ergonomics and usability and decided they didn't apply to them.

I personally think the Wii was a good idea and the controller is ace, but they never made any decent games for it. Imagine a truly epic sword fighting game (masses of gore) with a handheld sword.

Still waiting for that game.

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Quote: "imo, nintendo wouldnt be nintendo if they didnt, you see, mario, zelda, metroid, ssmb, all those and more are what makes nintendo special"


By that logic the only games Microsoft should publish are 20 Halo sequels and 34 Gears of War ones?

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Quote: "I personally think the Wii was a good idea and the controller is ace, but they never made any decent games for it. Imagine a truly epic sword fighting game (masses of gore) with a handheld sword."


whats the deal with massive gore anyway?

Red steel one and two are two cool fighting games with swords
only thing lacking is massive gore, still theyre great.

I see no appeal of gore other than: "HEY LOOK ITS BLUD EVVAWHERE HEH"
however in some games its a must offcourse.


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Quote: "I see no appeal of gore other than: "HEY LOOK ITS BLUD EVVAWHERE HEH"
however in some games its a must offcourse."

Blood is a necessity to me. One of the reasons Gears of War is one of my favorite (if not my favorite) online MP. Bodies being blown up, limbs being ripped off, heads being popped off, and blood flowing everywhere is pure awesome. I tried playing gears without the gore and it felt so awkward. Nothing felt smooth about the game and I'm not sure I would even play it if the bodies didn't explode and what not.

Quote: "By that logic the only games Microsoft should publish are 20 Halo sequels and 34 Gears of War ones?"

No

I completely agree with Quik... Nintendo isn't Nintendo without Mario, Zelda, and the rest of the recycled games.
There are PLENTY of games aside from them, if you don't like their "recycled games" you have plenty of others to choose from. Well, sort of lol, the Wii kind of is lacking in games.

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Guess that's why I'm not a Nintendo fan then...

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I have like 12 Wii games and they were all great experiences, I don't regret anything. You just have to look for the good ones. What is it with recycled games anyway? Compare Super Mario Galaxy to the original Mario Bros., they are just constantly improving their formulas (as with Zelda, Metroid,...). Still better than playing the same first person shooter each year.
And remember everyone, Nintendo hasen't said anything about the new hardware, except that it's coming and will be revealed at E3.
Their press conference will be on June 7th at about 9am PDT (18:00 in Europe).

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Meh, I just like how developers on Playstation and XBox at least change some things when they release a new sequel.

For example, Halo:Reach was based on the Halo 3 engine, but had the AI, graphics, modelling, level design, cinematics...essentially every section of the engine ripped out and restructured. They thought up a story based on 3rd party canon that wasn't yet another section of the old story arc. Removed several weapons and added some new ones. Removed equipment and added armour abilities, improved player customisation, added a host of new matchmaking features.

Although I'm sure adding 3D to Ocarina of Time outweighs that.

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Quote: "This will kill the system. One of the downfalls to the Wii was the tiny storage space. 8GB of storage is pathetic for a brand new system in the current time, you can get an 8GB flash drive for a relatively cheap price (though the prices do vary alot), and it can be smaller than your finger tip. To announce in 2011 that your next-gen system only has 8GB of storage is just embarrassing. "


I couldn't agree more. I don't think it will kill the system, but it will certainly harm its sales if Nintendo doesn't add any more storage space to it.

Quote: ""can they please stop recycling games?"

imo, nintendo wouldnt be nintendo if they didnt, you see, mario, zelda, metroid, ssmb, all those and more are what makes nintendo special"


They absolutely would not be Nintendo if they hadn't kept their most iconic characters alive. Sure, the ideas for new stories for new games for the old characters are starting to become few and far between (at least for Mario ), but that isn't stopping Nintendo from being able to produce GOOD games with those same characters. Has there ever been a disappointing Mario game (no, Super Mario Bros. 2 does not count as a Mario game in my book ), or a disappointing Zelda game? Not really, at least that I'm aware of.

Quote: "I think Nintendo are on crack."


...Well, they did think it was a good idea for a plumber to grow twice his normal size by eating mushrooms with happy faces on them...

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A little off topic but...

I just read something incredibe:
Check out the reverse audio from the GDC 2011 Zelda Skyward Sword trailer:

http://soundcloud.com/rawmeatcowboy/the-legend-of-zelda-skyward

Anybody who is familiar with the Ocarina of Time will instantly recognize it
Wow! Now that's awesome, Big N! I wonder if this has anything to do with the actual game...

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OH MY GOD THATS SO AMAZING

that song <3


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IGN has a few mock-up images of what the Stream could look like (although these are user-submitted, they're based more in reality than some of the other mock-ups floating around the internetz). My favorites are "Beem" and "Current". I personally like Beem better because it's more of a throwback to the design of the NES/SNES, and that just seems cool to me. I'd definitely want a slimmer version, though.

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I made this very informative chart to show:

What Nintendo needs to NOT do this time with a console.

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I agree. There are some genuinely good games for gamers, but half are for Nintendo fanboy's nostalgia, and the other half are for your mum.

Only problem is my non-nuclear family has the Wii under the TV stand collecting dust.

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how is mario, zelda aso not nota-

nevermind iam not going to venture further there...


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I can't blame Nintendo for some developer releasing
Princess Ninjabread Man's 2 Step Dance Party 9.
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